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Arcanist aesthetics need a re-work
No comment on the skills or damage or anything else but the overall look and feel of the character was too tightly tied to the DLC. When we got Necros it wasn't Elsweyr dragon themed, and wardens weren't tribunal themed, they were unique standalone classes decoupled from the storyline in which they added. Would be nice to see arcanist get a similar rework in terms of theme and animations. Right now it's abilities are:
* shoot green laser - out of a literal book
* launch green blobs
* apply green circles
* sometimes there are green triangles
* these weird tentacles that shoot out of the player
I'm sure others will disagree, and maybe I'm biased because I don't care for the Apocrypha aesthetic but I feel like the whole class artwork feels jarring and bolted on via the DLC instead of a unique class that had always existed in the game universe.
Kick it around pls when you get to the class rework.
* shoot green laser - out of a literal book
* launch green blobs
* apply green circles
* sometimes there are green triangles
* these weird tentacles that shoot out of the player
I'm sure others will disagree, and maybe I'm biased because I don't care for the Apocrypha aesthetic but I feel like the whole class artwork feels jarring and bolted on via the DLC instead of a unique class that had always existed in the game universe.
Kick it around pls when you get to the class rework.
Re: Update 50 Antiquity Leads Sources
Every time I go on PTS, at all odd hours of the day or night, there are no Thieves Troves spawned anywhere and I'm like "Midnight has been here..."
IDK if I'm taking all the troves. I'm certainly looting any I see.
Seriously, I know of 16 Glenumbra Thieves Trove spawn locations by heart (I don't use any add-ons on PTS and don't use add-ons for treasure chest or trove locations when I play on live either.) There could be and probably are more than that, but I've been going to the ones I know exactly where they are on live as of U49. On a good run, half of them might be up for looting on the PTS, when I haven't seen another player the entire time. Two of the ones I know have never been up on PTS, and one of them has been slightly buried with only a faint blue glow showing where the trove actually hides.
Same for me, I haven't had a single lead drop from any sources – PP, safeboxes, chests, mining, TG dailies (so far), etc. I was casually trying things that logically seem like they'd drop a "Fool's Gold Pile", but no, nothing. I really hope they haven't put it in one of the dungeons or trial either
I had thought the Hircine tapestry would drop from the Wolf's Camp, but the Zenithar Stele lead drops from there instead. Next I thought it could drop from killing werewolves, but after slaughtering scores of them I gave up that idea.
I suppose a lead could drop from the Red Petal Bastion dungeon. It's not really werewolf or Thieves Guild themed, but then again I don't know what Zenithar's Stele has to do with a wolf camp either.
EDIT: It's possible the new Dynamic event drops some leads, but Idk, I haven't been able to complete any.
I don't believe the Dynamic events are solo-able. Not only are they timed, but they have mechanics that require players to split up and be in more than one place at a time. They are not something that can be properly tested in low populations, such as the PTS. I expect they will hold their secrets (bugs and all) until U50 goes live, much like the Writhing Wall camps and other Solstice event content. Let's just say, I'm not impressed with the "experimental content" we've seen thus far.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 2 Summary
And Week 3 is the coming one or? It is confusing because the first patchnotes bear the number 0 rather than 1.
Week 3 is the PTS update coming in. The Week 1 patch had the x.x.0 version number because it was the base version of the update. Week 2 was the x.x.1 as the next iteration. Week 3 will be x.x.2, and one supposes that Week 4 will be x.x.3 and the final PTS iteration. If ZOS stays true to form, PTS will coast to U50 using that, but what's headed for release will be iterated based on Week 4 and later feedback. My guess would be 11.4.4 for Update 50.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
I've touched Sorc lots. It has been underbaked as a class for 12 years now, but the Mastery is undeniably strong. If you guys are referring to relatively underpowered MagSorc builds, there have been 0 metas where "stack max mag to do everything (from range)" has been balanced, either busted op or useless garbage, here's hoping the upcoming rework resolves this.Have you even touched the Sorc with anecdotal gameplay in actual content or are you still disillusioned based ONLY on PTS parse numbers/ number statistics? Sorc is still way underbaked, Idk what kind of stuff you're seeing but Sorc passives still need alot of work.
xylena
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
VinnyGambini wrote: »
It's hilarious that some sorc players say that sorc passives are weak. Sorc has the most powerful passives, and becomes absolutely broken class. And sorc WW is even more broken.
Have you even touched the Sorc with anecdotal gameplay in actual content or are you still disillusioned based ONLY on PTS parse numbers/ number statistics? Sorc is still way underbaked, Idk what kind of stuff you're seeing but Sorc passives still need alot of work.
Pure Sorc is one of the least viable specs in pvp on Live. Dark Magic is useless, Daedric Summoning is overnerfed and pets are useless, leaving only Stormcalling because of 2 good skills.
Of course the Sorc masteries need to be more powerful to make up for a horrible kit. They are right where they should be, if not even too weak for the most part. Static Reverberation is either useless or overpowered, which is easily fixed, and so is Conservation of Energy (even if its broken on Werewolf and specific HP stacking builds, which again is easy to fix) The other perks are woefully underwhelming.
This is also one of the issues i feel as well, why are they making us try and test these when we dont even have the full refreshes out yet? Alot of this work feels pointless, but I guess they want more of the sentiment than actual feedback. We can't really give feedback when the refreshes are disconnected from the masteries. Honestly, all of this current data is *** useless until we get the refreshes.
And I will say it again: nerfing anything, any class or spec before DK, would be an unimaginable mockery.
No way is something in need of nerfs when DK is allowed to exist as it is. Not to say anything should be nerfed, but they already have plans to nerf Sorc and Werewolf, while DK just keeps getting improved.
Dracane
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Necro class mastery passives are disappointing
Necromancer class masteries feel like a wasted opportunity. They have no flair and really don't help fill the substantial class gaps. Necro has languished for YEARS in the damage department and has had to heavily crutch on generic skills. While not perfect, the tanking and healing side has generally been much stronger and more synergistic. It's wild that zos is now primarily acknowledging the support side of class mastery for necro, but seems apathetic (as always) to necro dps.
Why can't necro get a dot proc passive like DK is being given? Why does DK get ALL the dot additions like pyrebrand or class mastery, but Necro gets none? Necro is also supposed to be a dot class, and has a major passive AND skill(that Stalking Blastbones was deleted for) dedicated to boosting dots, yet doesn't have a single class sticky dot besides the ridiculously clunky Ghostly Embrace one. It similarly receives no new dot sources whenever there's new class content added. Even werewolf receives more "dot support" than necro does.
Other classes are receiving UNIQUE damage procs or passives that provide alternate or interesting build/playstyle variations. Instead, Necro gets:
Necro is already six feet under damage wise, and has been for years. Not only do these passives not help much with build variety, damage source options, or flavor, they're also just not competitive with subclassing. You can already source strong stat boosting passives with subclassing and you get entire lines with multiple strong skills on top of that. Necro really could've used a unique damage proc and/or more thoughtful, flavorful passives that aren't just generic stat boosts or a conditional passive that is completely disabled in PvP. Why not have a passive that makes your light attacks give a ramping empower to your skelly summons, a passive that adds a flat Xhundred damage done to all your dots, or a passive that makes all your direct damage class abilities explode for an additional X damage to all enemies in the area? There's innumerable unique, flavorful options that could've been implemented, just like what other classes are getting. It's so disappointing seeing Necro get the short end of the stick once again.
Why can't necro get a dot proc passive like DK is being given? Why does DK get ALL the dot additions like pyrebrand or class mastery, but Necro gets none? Necro is also supposed to be a dot class, and has a major passive AND skill(that Stalking Blastbones was deleted for) dedicated to boosting dots, yet doesn't have a single class sticky dot besides the ridiculously clunky Ghostly Embrace one. It similarly receives no new dot sources whenever there's new class content added. Even werewolf receives more "dot support" than necro does.
Other classes are receiving UNIQUE damage procs or passives that provide alternate or interesting build/playstyle variations. Instead, Necro gets:
- Nothing Wasted: Generic stat boost that's extremely similar to the existing class script. This'll be nice for PvE parsing, but a lot of necro PvP builds don't even use corpse consuming abilities because they're generally too clunky and static to be widely viable. This seems like a wasted opportunity to give necro something unique and flavorful.
- Malevolent Promise: Makes corpse consumption a bit more dynamic and closer to how it should probably function by default. This is really the only interesting damage passive, but for some reason you can't even use it in PvP, so necro is essentially getting scammed with one less mastery passive than other classes. Even if it did work in PvP, it would only be potentially busted on Corpse Burster builds, so it's hardly a widely applicable damage passive for the class as a whole. Compared to the crazy damage procs other classes are getting, this passive ONLY allows necro to actually use its existing skills. Also, only allowing the closest enemy to be targeted as a corpse instead of any enemy would be an annoying mess when fighting groups. Why should a Necro not be able to target the person they're already focusing on just because another player stepped a foot closer for half a second? This passive desperately requires adjustment. If zos is concerned about Corpse Burster spam, it would be much better to just add a restriction for use with that set and then allow this passive for PvP.
- Cycle Unending: Conditional, generic damage done bonus that will once again help with PvE parsing but doesn't expand necro's actual damage options. Despite being extremely conditional in PvP, since you're not going to consistently be sitting at 25% more relative health than your opponents, this passive is of course halved in PvP. Most of the time you might be getting an extra couple percent damage done against decent opponents. At that point, why not just subclass for stronger damage passives and skills? Also, Arcanist gets a very similar passive with Unbound Potential, except that's a consistent, essentially unconditional 15% damage done. Why does Arcanist get a consistent, reliable damage done passive that's also 3%(5% in PvE) higher than Cycle's max, while Necro gets something that won't even give the max bonus the majority of the time? Arcanist's damage kit is stronger than Necro's already.
- Pound of Flesh: Amazing passive and the only one that feels widely applicable in both PvP and PvE. It also feels appropriately thematic to Necro, though I would prefer if it also restored 5% magicka to give more options for different build types. Either way though, a solid passive.
- At the Precipice: Once again, this is just letting Necro actually use its skills like every other class can already do by default.
Necro is already six feet under damage wise, and has been for years. Not only do these passives not help much with build variety, damage source options, or flavor, they're also just not competitive with subclassing. You can already source strong stat boosting passives with subclassing and you get entire lines with multiple strong skills on top of that. Necro really could've used a unique damage proc and/or more thoughtful, flavorful passives that aren't just generic stat boosts or a conditional passive that is completely disabled in PvP. Why not have a passive that makes your light attacks give a ramping empower to your skelly summons, a passive that adds a flat Xhundred damage done to all your dots, or a passive that makes all your direct damage class abilities explode for an additional X damage to all enemies in the area? There's innumerable unique, flavorful options that could've been implemented, just like what other classes are getting. It's so disappointing seeing Necro get the short end of the stick once again.
Urvoth
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4v4 & 8v8 Highlight Major Balance Issues — 3-Team BGs Worked Better
Hello,
I would like to raise an important concern regarding the current state of Battlegrounds, particularly the 4v4 and 8v8 modes.
In practice, these modes are often unplayable due to a significant imbalance between teams. When one side has a higher concentration of experienced and skilled players, the match effectively loses its purpose: the opposing team gets pushed back to their spawn and is unable to participate meaningfully. Instead of engaging PvP gameplay, players are left standing idle, simply waiting for the match to end.
Under such conditions, all motivation disappears. Players gain neither enjoyment nor a sense of progress—only a frustrating waste of time.
The 4v4 mode can still be justified when played in pre-made groups with relatively balanced skill levels. However, in random matchmaking, the same imbalance issues persist.
As for the 8v8 mode, the problem becomes even more pronounced. When there is a noticeable skill gap, one team completely dominates while the other is effectively trapped at their base, unable to influence the outcome of the match. This is especially discouraging for newer players, who often lose any desire to continue playing after such experiences.
The design of the 8v8 maps also raises concerns. Compared to older Battleground maps, they feel less refined in terms of balance. Previously, players could compensate for differences in skill through map knowledge, use of terrain, positioning, and kiting. Even at a disadvantage, it was possible to survive and contribute.
In contrast, the newer maps tend to feature large open spaces where such tactical options are limited. As a result, survivability decreases and the impact of imbalance becomes even more severe.
Additionally, the matchmaking system itself presents issues. Queue times for 8v8 are often quite long, and even after waiting, players frequently end up in clearly unbalanced matches. A quick look at the player list is often enough to see the disparity: one team filled mostly with newcomers, the other with more experienced players. Naturally, this raises the question—what is the point of playing such a match?
Previously, the three-team format addressed this issue far more effectively. Stronger players were distributed across multiple teams, while less experienced players were present on each side, creating a more natural balance. Even solo players could feel engaged and had a fair chance to survive and contribute.
For this reason, I would like to make a suggestion.
I am not asking to remove the 4v4 or 8v8 modes. However, I strongly encourage reconsidering the return of the three-team format, along with the older maps and the previous Battleground system. That format was significantly more dynamic, balanced, and engaging. Players were able to complete their objectives faster, participate more actively, and overall enjoy the experience much more.
This opinion is based not only on my personal experience, but also on feedback from many other players—both veterans and newcomers alike. And the overwhelming majority share the same view: the three-team Battlegrounds were far superior to the current implementation.
Thank you for your attention.
I would like to raise an important concern regarding the current state of Battlegrounds, particularly the 4v4 and 8v8 modes.
In practice, these modes are often unplayable due to a significant imbalance between teams. When one side has a higher concentration of experienced and skilled players, the match effectively loses its purpose: the opposing team gets pushed back to their spawn and is unable to participate meaningfully. Instead of engaging PvP gameplay, players are left standing idle, simply waiting for the match to end.
Under such conditions, all motivation disappears. Players gain neither enjoyment nor a sense of progress—only a frustrating waste of time.
The 4v4 mode can still be justified when played in pre-made groups with relatively balanced skill levels. However, in random matchmaking, the same imbalance issues persist.
As for the 8v8 mode, the problem becomes even more pronounced. When there is a noticeable skill gap, one team completely dominates while the other is effectively trapped at their base, unable to influence the outcome of the match. This is especially discouraging for newer players, who often lose any desire to continue playing after such experiences.
The design of the 8v8 maps also raises concerns. Compared to older Battleground maps, they feel less refined in terms of balance. Previously, players could compensate for differences in skill through map knowledge, use of terrain, positioning, and kiting. Even at a disadvantage, it was possible to survive and contribute.
In contrast, the newer maps tend to feature large open spaces where such tactical options are limited. As a result, survivability decreases and the impact of imbalance becomes even more severe.
Additionally, the matchmaking system itself presents issues. Queue times for 8v8 are often quite long, and even after waiting, players frequently end up in clearly unbalanced matches. A quick look at the player list is often enough to see the disparity: one team filled mostly with newcomers, the other with more experienced players. Naturally, this raises the question—what is the point of playing such a match?
Previously, the three-team format addressed this issue far more effectively. Stronger players were distributed across multiple teams, while less experienced players were present on each side, creating a more natural balance. Even solo players could feel engaged and had a fair chance to survive and contribute.
For this reason, I would like to make a suggestion.
I am not asking to remove the 4v4 or 8v8 modes. However, I strongly encourage reconsidering the return of the three-team format, along with the older maps and the previous Battleground system. That format was significantly more dynamic, balanced, and engaging. Players were able to complete their objectives faster, participate more actively, and overall enjoy the experience much more.
This opinion is based not only on my personal experience, but also on feedback from many other players—both veterans and newcomers alike. And the overwhelming majority share the same view: the three-team Battlegrounds were far superior to the current implementation.
Thank you for your attention.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
VinnyGambini wrote: »
It's hilarious that some sorc players say that sorc passives are weak. Sorc has the most powerful passives, and becomes absolutely broken class. And sorc WW is even more broken.
Have you even touched the Sorc with anecdotal gameplay in actual content or are you still disillusioned based ONLY on PTS parse numbers/ number statistics? Sorc is still way underbaked, Idk what kind of stuff you're seeing but Sorc passives still need alot of work.
I agree 100% here .. People get too hung up on dummy parse numbers as if that is some sort of "end all, say all" indicator of ability, it absolutely isn't. Manufacturing a high parse number or recognizing sustain while on a dummy test isn't reflective of in game combat in the least. It's night & day and when one tries to lean on these Sorc passives for in game benefit they fall short compared to what's out there.
Some feel that Sorcs Conservation passive is OP before the upcoming nerf, I say, Conservation is still too weak. Yes, I agree the Conservation passive delivers a lot of sustain, but that doesn't answer the question "what is one going to do with all of that sustain?" .. What good is high sustain if the skills I have to slot are so poorly performing?
I've said it so many times, Sorcs lack power and the passives the Devs gave here follow the same flawed logic as our class skill sets, too much redundant utility. The little power these passives do bring underperform against base class passives we can get through subclassing.
A lot of us are looking at these passives in the scope of total gameplay. Both PvE & PvP and in the scope of Subclassing. These passives don't deliver anything for Sorc that's outshines the potential we can get from Subclassing.
NxJoeyD
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Re: Persistent crashing
Alright, venting spam aside (sorry about that) I think I may have figured out what was going on. The game was not added to Windows Firewall, after adding it manually and restarting my computer, I was able to log in and run the game without crashing for 25 minutes. I ran no add-ons and I was primarily in Vvardenfell.
I will run further tests later on, but this has me mentally exhausted. This is my favorite time of year to play ESO and for over a week I could only do 10 minutes at a time. >.<
I will run further tests later on, but this has me mentally exhausted. This is my favorite time of year to play ESO and for over a week I could only do 10 minutes at a time. >.<
Re: Update 50 Antiquity Leads Sources
Nearly certain that the final lead for the Thieves Guild Armory Station doesn't drop from a Thieves Trove. After another 16 hours and opening some 30+ Thieves Troves in Glenumbra, still don't have the final lead.
The lead is also not dropping from Safeboxes or overland treasure chests or from pickpocketing.
The lead is also not dropping from Safeboxes or overland treasure chests or from pickpocketing.