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Re: Writhing fortress broken?
Today it was my first opportunity to do Fortress
Account 1 PC EU: went with Guildmates. instance was totally empty.
Account 2 PC NA: infernium centipede was stuck and the gates to Harvester Boss were closed indefinitely
Account 3: PC EU: was quite good from the start: did all fighting, shoot balistas, killed Bosses. the catch is the final room was a dead end,
so on ZERO of THREE accounts was i able to complete the dungeon.
decided not to frustrate further (i have more accounts).
Sorry, Zenimax, i have to say that: players buy extensions in a good hope they get a well working product.
Account 1 PC EU: went with Guildmates. instance was totally empty.
Account 2 PC NA: infernium centipede was stuck and the gates to Harvester Boss were closed indefinitely
Account 3: PC EU: was quite good from the start: did all fighting, shoot balistas, killed Bosses. the catch is the final room was a dead end,
so on ZERO of THREE accounts was i able to complete the dungeon.
decided not to frustrate further (i have more accounts).
Sorry, Zenimax, i have to say that: players buy extensions in a good hope they get a well working product.
DinoZavr
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Re: Writhing fortress broken?
I ran into this bug this morning. I was stuck at the infernium like others and just went into my trading guild and traveled to different members in Solstice until I was able to find a functional instance of the fortress (helps if you get a buddy to stand at the zone line so that you can tell when you're in a different instance, just make sure that you're not in a group). Confirmed to work for my guildies and myself on PS5.
Brossin
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Re: Writhing fortress broken?
At this point, the Infernium getting bugged in the west wing and becoming stuck even when the final barrier is down should probably be added to the known bugs as well...
Enodoc
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Re: Will Support the Fellowship disappear on characters that don't complete it?
Best case: Yes
Worst case: You'd have to manually abandon as it will be uncompelteable
Worst case: You'd have to manually abandon as it will be uncompelteable
Re: ESO Event Design, Rewarding Players or Burning Them Out?
@ZOS_Kevin So I know I've mentioned a few times that rewards need improving and wanted to revisit this thread with some suggestions on how. These suggestions are purely my opinion, and while informed by the sentiments of others, I'm only speaking for myself. In general, I think ZOS needs to focus less on managing engagement and more on ensuring things are fun and rewarding.
What are rewards?
Rewards are the attractive obtainable features that you get from an activity. Here's what I consider to be rewards, for events and non-events alike.
Why should I participate in an event?
I do content to earn rewards and achievements, which themselves, should have rewards. If an activity doesn't have a reward, there's no incentive to do it.
My main motivator for events especially is new styles. If I see a cool style, I'll want to get it. I've spent a lot on outfit slots over the years, and enjoy dressing up on my toons. If something is an ultra-rare drop, I will not pursue it and may even abandon the event entirely.
Next big one is double drops. Especially on things like dungeons and trials, getting these is super valuable. Personally, I think dungeons should be double drops from the start, just to lessen the grind. It's just not fun running the same dungeon again and again because weapons only drop from one boss. There's a lot of content in the game, these events help manage completing it.
Last but not least, I love double XP. Personally, I think most events should be double XP. This is an 11-year old game, I would argue most people want to be max level and just enjoy the game. If I see double XP, I'll prioritize the game in my rotation to get some alts caught up.
Events with good rewards?
How can ZOS make the game more rewarding?
What design practices should be avoided?
Is there anything ZOS needs to understand?
People want to get shiny new things in the quickest and most effective way possible. Lean into that. Events shouldn't be this all-consuming activity that hijacks one's entire play session. It should be something sprinkled in, or augment activities people are already doing.
What are rewards?
Rewards are the attractive obtainable features that you get from an activity. Here's what I consider to be rewards, for events and non-events alike.
- Outfit styles
- Weapon styles
- Motifs
- Furnishings
- Furnishing Recipes
- Houses
- Mounts
- Non-combat pets
- Mementos
- Collectibles Fragments
- Gold
- Skill points
- Double XP
- Inspiration
- Double Drops
Why should I participate in an event?
I do content to earn rewards and achievements, which themselves, should have rewards. If an activity doesn't have a reward, there's no incentive to do it.
My main motivator for events especially is new styles. If I see a cool style, I'll want to get it. I've spent a lot on outfit slots over the years, and enjoy dressing up on my toons. If something is an ultra-rare drop, I will not pursue it and may even abandon the event entirely.
Next big one is double drops. Especially on things like dungeons and trials, getting these is super valuable. Personally, I think dungeons should be double drops from the start, just to lessen the grind. It's just not fun running the same dungeon again and again because weapons only drop from one boss. There's a lot of content in the game, these events help manage completing it.
Last but not least, I love double XP. Personally, I think most events should be double XP. This is an 11-year old game, I would argue most people want to be max level and just enjoy the game. If I see double XP, I'll prioritize the game in my rotation to get some alts caught up.
Events with good rewards?
- The Golden Pursuit that awarded the Attunable Crafting tables.
- NLF is GREAT. It's double XP for almost a month. Even though I prefer events to be shorter, I don't feel like NLF overstays its welcome. Granted, I don't do the actual holiday events - because again - rewards. But the double XP, the ability to catch up on tickets and whatever else, is fantastic. Never shorten this. Ever.
- The Orisinium event. The bugs aside, that was a good event. Getting double drops on MA was awesome.
- Whitestrakes. Overall, good rewards, but that Ebonsteel Knight set needs to drop more.
- Undaunted. Dungeons dropping curated weapons, amazing.
How can ZOS make the game more rewarding?
- Curation of drops.
- Removing ticket caps.
- Better coordinating maintenance windows.
- Associating decade-old rewards with achievements rather than flooding inventories.
- Adding new activities with new achievements and rewards each year to existing festivals.
What design practices should be avoided?
- Miniscule chances on really attractive items (see the Staff of Worms debacle)
- Forcing competition over limited resources to complete objectives. No one wants to spend their time farming something with a million other people just to complete a daily quest.
- Progress bars. These have very poor optics, especially with the lower population that ESO currently has and the backend adjustments needed as a result. Frankly, I don't care who has internal bets or whatever. It doesn't matter to my gameplay experience. The negative fallout of the progress bar's reception does. And I think this is one of those things where ZOS really needs to look at how they're actually received, rather than how your teams want them to be received. IMO, ZOS's time is better spent elsewhere.
- Engagement micromanagement. Too much focus is on "driving engagement" with things like once-a-day-drops, ticket caps, ultra-rare drops. Focus on the fun, respect people's time, and the rest will fall in place. If you're unsure about what fun actually is, which I'm starting to think is the case, open a discussion. Have a survey.
- Sunsetting returning seasonal rewards. The Exorcised Coven Cottage is what made me mention this. While it's still earnable in-game, it wasn't available in the store. If you've done something for every year, keep doing it. You can always add more stuff.
- Low-paying gold alternatives. So the Coldharbour house right - costs like a million. I want someone at ZOS to explain to me how 10k gold is a viable alternative to getting that drop
Is there anything ZOS needs to understand?
People want to get shiny new things in the quickest and most effective way possible. Lean into that. Events shouldn't be this all-consuming activity that hijacks one's entire play session. It should be something sprinkled in, or augment activities people are already doing.
Destai
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Keep doors, OMG!
Getting pounded and trying to get inside. Tap A. See A button press animation. Wait a sec. Nothing. Tap A. See button press animation. Wait a sec. Nothing. Tap A twice. Go inside; Go back outside immediately with not chance to stop it.
The entire time I am healing, shielding, blocking, dodge rolling, and trying to stay alive long enough when I am not standing there doing nothing for a full half-second while I wait to see if my button press to go inside the door actually worked.
After the forced pop back outside, the frustration just killed my survival willpower. Sure, I kept up trying to stay alive long enough to try again, but I knew I did not have it in me after that.
Something similar just happened to me as I was typing this. At least I could death spawn across the map. But, just, why?!?!?!
At least update the code so that a character is no oriented facing the door from the inside so that a double tap that finally gets thru does make me go back outside.
The entire time I am healing, shielding, blocking, dodge rolling, and trying to stay alive long enough when I am not standing there doing nothing for a full half-second while I wait to see if my button press to go inside the door actually worked.
After the forced pop back outside, the frustration just killed my survival willpower. Sure, I kept up trying to stay alive long enough to try again, but I knew I did not have it in me after that.
Something similar just happened to me as I was typing this. At least I could death spawn across the map. But, just, why?!?!?!
At least update the code so that a character is no oriented facing the door from the inside so that a double tap that finally gets thru does make me go back outside.
Re: Thank you
The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.
Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.
You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.
I can’t tell if you’re advocating for the Writhing Wall or not, can you point to at least 3 REAL people who felt like the event was done well?
Here on the forums, or your native platform?
Having one cool boss fight out of the 24x30+ hours… less than 30 minutes of 720+ hours of content, does not equate to a successful venture.
Maybe you know someone who enjoyed the Camp Defense for their first few, tack on another hour.
What are we at?
1.5 hours of the 720+ hours this event ran for?
I've made plenty of complaints about the Event, and your statement is a good example of bias and poor framing - much like the "poll" you are defending which not only had limited responses but also leading questions.
I’m not defending a poll, I’m questioning why it’s even under attack? The purpose of the poll was to surmise forum opinions.
It served its purpose, right?
If someone is using it to emphasize their own personal opinion, who cares?
That said, it’s one thing to say, this is the way things are with something intangible, but simple math dictates that 1.5 hours out of 720+ hours is not a successful venture for our time in a war with everything vying for it.
Re: Thank you
The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.
Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.
You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.
I can’t tell if you’re advocating for the Writhing Wall or not, can you point to at least 3 REAL people who felt like the event was done well?
Here on the forums, or your native platform?
Having one cool boss fight out of the 24x30+ hours… less than 30 minutes of 720+ hours of content, does not equate to a successful venture.
Maybe you know someone who enjoyed the Camp Defense for their first few, tack on another hour.
What are we at?
1.5 hours of the 720+ hours this event ran for?
Re: Thank you
The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.
Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.
You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.
Re: Thank you
The poll does not claim to represent every single player. What it does show is that among those motivated enough to engage, frustration is overwhelming compared to enjoyment. That is valuable feedback in itself, because engaged players are the ones who sustain guilds, organize events, and keep communities active.
Hence the bias. The desire to complain far out-weighs the desire to compliment.
You know how everyone is lamenting the downfall of New World? How there was a spate of posts here recently praising it and and how ZOS should learn from what NW did? Go to the NW forums, before the announcement they were moving to maintenance mode, and you'll see a litany of the same complaints you see here, in the same sort of numbers.
Listen for a second ok. Just listen.
Probably vast majority of us posting on these forums are fans of the game. We play regularly and have done so for a while. It doesn't mean new folks aren't welcome, in fact it would be nice if more people who played ESO would come here and comment.
When an opinion is provided, most of the time it's because we care about the game. Ok. If we didn't care, then we wouldn't come here. Alright. In fact, I would say it's hard enough to get people to care these days about the things that they should be doing, much less a video game, but here we are. Not out of hate. Out of concern and our love for ESO. That's why many have put in time on the forums. None other reason other than that, unless it's a streamer or whatever and I can't speak to that.
The OP, when opening this thread, they decided to bundle and label everyone with criticism, by extension anyone who disagreed with them as haters. Ok, that's not nice either. In fact, that's a great way to ensure no one follows you. Your first message to the community is one completely lacking any form of empathy or compassion for those like me who don't agree with them, but then they put it on us for getting mad about their selfish, self-centered and apathetic behavior.
People aren't dumb. People will be people, but many of us have put in so much time and money on this game, plus people we've met/known, for years and so we just don't want to see it get flushed down the drain ok. Pardon us for caring. We're so sorry we care enough to spend our time and energy posting online, not to mention all the time and money invested in this game. Our opinions matter and as long as some keep pretending, we don't exist, then there's always going to be this giant gap between the people playing/paying for this game and the selfish apathetic crowd who think it's their right to lock us out.
And that's exactly what they're doing and so here we are. Pardon us all for caring and having a heart for ESO and not agreeing with people like this OP person trying to lock us out. Most would agree we can't help what happened to New World either. Amazon just did it because they can. But I have seen several well-known streamers still running vids about the game and producing new content for it. The fans didn't give up on New World, Amazon did. Just like their workers. Why the fans guilty?
Vulkunne
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