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Re: Werewolf ultimate use
I guess, at a foundational level... what problem is the ultimate cost mechanic trying to solve?
It seems like a solution in search of a problem, TBH.
It obviously is intended for WWs to be able to sustain the form indefinitely. So why don't we just allow them to... do that... without having to jump through all of these artificial hoops?
It seems like a solution in search of a problem, TBH.
It obviously is intended for WWs to be able to sustain the form indefinitely. So why don't we just allow them to... do that... without having to jump through all of these artificial hoops?
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
huskandhunger wrote: »For all of those asking for video proof of WW overperforming, here you go. Keep in mind that some of the players in this video are genuinely amongst the top pvp players in the entire game, getting absolutely obliterated with almost no chance of fighting back at all by a guy weaving two damaging skills with light attacks and 40k hp.
There is no defending how broken this is.https://youtu.be/zYtbITjCW-4?si=geC3xCf8s0W9IhWw
This person is covering up their ability bar and add-ons, so I think this video is disingenuous. We would need full transparency if something is really going on otherwise who is to say this player is not simply exploiting---either in sets or in class mastery passives or other interactions we haven't thought of, those appear to be the real overpowered element.
His ability bar is visible the whole time. Addons don't change anything within the game.
I posted pelican's CMX in this thread showing what he was using anyways, but you guys told me it didn't prove anything and requested video evidence. Theres the video.
Remove the block squares, you are hiding information.
Also if you or your friends have encountered a specific bug or proc set interactions with Relequen and the Sorc Class Mastery passives that the videos appear to show are causing some kind of effect or issue in the game, I would encourage you both to use the in-game support feature to submit the bugs as a ticket.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
No, actually. This is again trying to gatekeep information that literally anyone has the capacity to ask for. You can't argue that people wanting WW to stay OP must be PvPers and anyone who doesn't PvP has no right to offer feedback. That is bias to its core, locking people out of something because they don't meet your expectation of qualification.And to clarify any misconceptions or assumptions, I personally don't PvP. I can count on one hand the number of times I've dueled and I haven't touched the other facets of PvP in years. I don't want WW to remain OP in PvP. What I do want is WW not getting nerfed for PvP because some people think the whole playstyle is OP based on ONE build in ONE aspect ov PvP.
.....So let me get this straight. You spent 10 pages arguing with me, @React, @Alchimiste1 who are seasoned PvPers, yet you don't personally PvP?
You are taking a stance in a subject matter which you have zero knowledge on. I'm sorry, but this is where we should stop.
Did you read the rest of what I posted? It's happened time and again in this game that nerfs from PvP also affect PvE because all too often ZOS won't put adjustments under Battle Spirit or something. So yeah, when those of us who PvE are at risk of something that's FINALLY getting a really good rework after YEARS of being crap getting nerfed, we have every right to ask for proof that it's overperforming as much as some people are claiming.
And it's not even that big of an ask, so why are we acting like it's an unreasonable request that's impossible to fulfill? Why this insistence on NOT testing WW on any other build or even just without the Sorc Mastery Passives? Why is such a simple thing being fought so vehemently? Why are we acting like people have to PvP to want an answer that should be easy peasy to provide?
Open Skills on Sorc. Go to Class Mastery. Remove Passives. Smack people around. Post the results.
Why is this being treated like an insurmountable task? If I were one of the people claiming WW overall is too OP, I'd be SCRAMBLING to make a build without those Passives and toss out there proof that WW is indeed as OP without them as it is with. And unlike a number of people in the world, I have no issue admitting if I'm wrong. So if we get any sort of build of WW without the Sorc Mastery Passives that are potentially a problem, then I will say sure, WW can do with altering. But until then I will continue to ask for said proof, as is my right as someone that plays the game.
Arunei
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Can we make it so the glow only appears during combat.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Can we move on from this talk of balancing around dueling and move on to different feedback? This thread feels completely hijacked at this point around one specific discussion.
Has anyone been trying any Combat Metrics to even see where werewolves line up with other setups? Can they actually deal damage to bring to trials?
There are 160k+ parses floating around w/ Signet and Sorc.
I'll just drop this here:https://youtu.be/a1qiAMlAO-E?si=Dl4pOa_mCssK9HtX
Werewolf might not be the problem people think it is...
This isn't the evidence that you think it is.
It is just basic Sorcerer parse cheese which you can find basically every patch. Those "insane" builds are never actually run in content though because all of the damage is single-target and that just is not very valuable in most situations.
The re-worked class set is also doing huge work here but the set is similarly not viable in most PvE environments and is absolutely dead in PvP.
It's not super obvious from the video so I'll explain:
The class set alone (which I think is fantastic - big fan of all the class set changes, though templar ones could be stronger still) isn't enough to provide a 70K+ DPS increase compared to pure sorcerer prior to this - the cause of this is the sorcerer class masteries... the same reason why certain werewolf builds overperform (on top of sorcerer already having much better class passives for werewolf than say, warden or necromancer etc).
You can notice how the sorcerer in the video has 40 751 Stamina - this provides you with a 23% modifier on weapon/spell damage applied on top of group buffs (Minor/Major Courage etc) resulting in a huge increase in damage... including the damage of the other class mastery that is doing 9,8% in the CMX parse you can find at the end of the video.
So what does this have to do with werewolf? Well, werewolf similarly gains much more from sorcerer class masteries than any other class ones. While you might find strong werewolf builds out there on other classes, you won't find ones that are grossly overperforming.
Also I just want to mention: based on my experience testing it and fighting people using it on PTS, the sorcerer class set is far from "dead" in PvP and actually extremely strong if built around.
Decimus
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Can we move on from this talk of balancing around dueling and move on to different feedback? This thread feels completely hijacked at this point around one specific discussion.
Has anyone been trying any Combat Metrics to even see where werewolves line up with other setups? Can they actually deal damage to bring to trials?
There are 160k+ parses floating around w/ Signet and Sorc.
I'll just drop this here:
https://youtu.be/a1qiAMlAO-E?si=Dl4pOa_mCssK9HtXWerewolf might not be the problem people think it is...
Decimus
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Re: Nerf Range Ganking!
Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »BigPlays420 wrote: »I’ve personally never seen it, and I’ve been hit by this gank plenty of times without ever feeling like I got desynced, and I play on fairly high ping myself, around 150–200 ms. Until actual proof is shown, I don’t think anyone is exploiting anything here if the argument is just “server desync,” especially when desync affects nearly every part of PvP whenever the servers are struggling.
The much simpler explanation is that the gank’s one-GCD potential is just ridiculous, even into fairly tanky specs. More often than not, that is probably what people are dying to.
“I’ve never personally contracted cancer, so until you show me footage of someone slowly dying in a hospital bed, I don’t think anyone is getting sick from it.”
That’s what these “I’ve never seen it, so it doesn’t exist” arguments sound like. Which is funny because if you type “ESO desync” into the search bar on YouTube, the second result is a Crushing Shock ganker build video from a well-known veteran content creator who literally says the combo can cause desync about three minutes into the video.
Yes, the combo can kill people easily on its own. I’m not arguing that point. And the desync doesn’t always happen. But the combo creates a scenario where desync is far more likely to happen due to the high amount of calculations from up to 10 instances of damage occurring in a single GCD.
Maybe desyncs do happen. Maybe. But there are tons of clips out there of people both getting hit by this gank and using it themselves, and I still have yet to see a clip that actually proves real HP desync, meaning your health is visibly showing higher than it really is before the kill lands. Until somebody provides that, people need to stop presenting it as fact and especially stop throwing around the word “exploiting.”
That is really the core of my argument here. Even if HP desync does happen on occasion, does it even matter in cases where the target was going to die anyway because the combo is that overloaded? If the real issue is just the server failing to keep up with a huge amount of damage in a very short window, then that is not some unique exploit tied to this build. Ball groups have been stressing the server with absurd amounts of calculations for years, and nobody treats server strain itself as some special form of exploiting. Server desync is unfortunately a standard part of PvP at this point.
So all I am saying is this: provide proof for something that is currently unproven and mostly hearsay, and stop calling it exploiting any more than the many other server-related issues PvP already has. This will be my last post on the matter unless somebody brings actual evidence that is worth analyzing.
Re: Removing Map Based Leads?
Devs, could you take a SERIOUS look at Map based Antiquity Leads?
ESO seems to want to cater to the housing community, but the existing of Map based leads is actually causing some people to give up on certain furnishings, and/or stop completing builds...
Maps are something that are VERY hard to farm, it takes RNG to get them, RNG to get the right zone, and then RNG to get A lead, THEN additional RNG to get the lead you actually need.
When you have nearly 20 leads tied to a particular map, the chances of getting something you need make Crown Crate drop rates look impressive.
Could we PLEASE change how map leads work, or remove them? Other leads are easily farmable, do IA, or a dungeon, or a WB, or PVP, or a trial until the lead drops.
Map leads don't work that way since we can't reliably farm maps for a particular zone in the first place.
Even when purchasing stacks of maps, the RNG is just 'not' there. Honestly, it's to the point where we just assume we won't get certain furnishings if they are locked behind map leads.
If they MUST stay tied to maps, at least make maps for a particular zone something we can reliably farm by activities in that zone?
Also please make it something we can farm without getting blocked out by other players or bots (ie trying to farm limited number of treasure chest or safeboxes).
So this was long winded, but in summary, PLEASE, come up with a better solution?
To get the apocryphal well in triplicate so I can just buy it, I had to do THOUSANDS of maps for Telvanni Peninsula and Apocrypha
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Alright, so werewolf without sorc class masteries does roughly the same DPS/HPS as the previously reworked DK.
Excellent, we've reached the "new standard", hopefully we can add warden to this category in U51!
Meanwhile, maybe we can be a bit more specific about the actual issue so there's not gazillion posts providing very misleading "feedback" about "werewolf"?
Just a thought.
My last two dueling tournaments on PC/EU were #1 & #3, I guess this qualifies my post and makes it acceptable!
Excellent, we've reached the "new standard", hopefully we can add warden to this category in U51!
Meanwhile, maybe we can be a bit more specific about the actual issue so there's not gazillion posts providing very misleading "feedback" about "werewolf"?
Just a thought.
My last two dueling tournaments on PC/EU were #1 & #3, I guess this qualifies my post and makes it acceptable!
Decimus
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
So under normal conditions in normal fights, WW does 4-6k like every other sweaty player in duels has been doing for the past X years. Seriously doubt the missing WD will turn 4-6k dps into 10k. This clearly tells me the Sorc/WW interaction is the problem.I did 4k DPS vs the Warden
Pelican here on a better build with more WW experience pulling 6k+ DPS
xylena
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