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Re: U50 Bug Reports for Class Mastery
It may be difficult to know what is bug or intentional.
Sorcerer
Sphere of Influence:
- Does not trigger when allies or self pick up Daedric Refuge mines. (The only method Sorcerer even has to give it to allies)
- Currently unreliable with AoE wards like Warding Burst. Sometimes these do not seem to apply to players when they have a pet (like Warden's bear) Generally this often does not proc Sphere of Influence on anyone; and other times just fine.
- Does not trigger on frost staff heavy attack wards, hardening enchantments or the Reinforced CP talent. (Maybe intended?)
- This ward appears to be cast below the ward that produced rather than on top of it, meaning it is 2nd to take damage. With it lasting 4 seconds instead of 6 like other wards, this seems counter productive.
- It's intended that only one instance of this can be active at a time?
Conservation of Energy
Does not activate Blood Magic when using Streak, while Ball of Lightning does.
It has a cooldown not stated in the tooltip. Feels like ~0.5 seconds. (Using Overload light attack and a skill thereafter will not have the skill trigger Blood Magic)
Calculated Defense
It has a cooldown not stated in the tooltip and cannot be refreshed whilst active. Feels like ~0.8s.
Sorcerer
Sphere of Influence:
- Does not trigger when allies or self pick up Daedric Refuge mines. (The only method Sorcerer even has to give it to allies)
- Currently unreliable with AoE wards like Warding Burst. Sometimes these do not seem to apply to players when they have a pet (like Warden's bear) Generally this often does not proc Sphere of Influence on anyone; and other times just fine.
- Does not trigger on frost staff heavy attack wards, hardening enchantments or the Reinforced CP talent. (Maybe intended?)
- This ward appears to be cast below the ward that produced rather than on top of it, meaning it is 2nd to take damage. With it lasting 4 seconds instead of 6 like other wards, this seems counter productive.
- It's intended that only one instance of this can be active at a time?
Conservation of Energy
Does not activate Blood Magic when using Streak, while Ball of Lightning does.
It has a cooldown not stated in the tooltip. Feels like ~0.5 seconds. (Using Overload light attack and a skill thereafter will not have the skill trigger Blood Magic)
Calculated Defense
It has a cooldown not stated in the tooltip and cannot be refreshed whilst active. Feels like ~0.8s.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I really hope the DEVs dont listen to the vocal minority calling for nerfs. The werewolf rework is nearly perfect it just needs access to weapon passives and better werewolf sustain for solo berserker play.
To the people calling for nerfs, literally just wait. THE PURPOSE OF EACH REWORK IS TO MAKE IT VIABLE. that means they'll get to your class. The DK already had its stats skyrocketed, eventually they'll do every class, so literally just be patient.
Something you guys calling for nerfs need to just accept is that right now with reworks going on THE GAME WILL BE UNBALANCED. Yes there will be an annoying amount of werewolves, accept it and move on. Just like how there was a surge of Pure DK's and just like there will be a surge of each class that receives a rework going forward. in the end each class will be somewhat on par with each other so stop complaining about something you dont even play, and adapt. Overcoming difficulty is the fun of the game.
The werewolves NEED THIS BUFF . Werewolves are a pseudo class. It requires abandoning skills and passives of your class/multiclass to even use and even then you have to focus on it. It is a ONE BAR class so yes each skill is going to look and feel OP to make up for defenses / offenses and lack of versatility. They absolutely should be on par with the top sweaty builds because Its for people to enjoy and have fun without worrying about memorizing 20 different button combos and trying to keep up 30 buffs at a time, while also light attack weaving (which should not even be a thing).
Please Devs keep it the way it is. Werewolves being crappy prior to this is why I quit playing, and it will be the only reason I come back. Don't listen to them, They simply shouldnt be charging head first into a raging werewolf without a plan. Being a werewolf is a ultimate and a class and it should be treated as such and shouldnt be changed for those who dont engage with it at all.
To the people calling for nerfs, literally just wait. THE PURPOSE OF EACH REWORK IS TO MAKE IT VIABLE. that means they'll get to your class. The DK already had its stats skyrocketed, eventually they'll do every class, so literally just be patient.
Something you guys calling for nerfs need to just accept is that right now with reworks going on THE GAME WILL BE UNBALANCED. Yes there will be an annoying amount of werewolves, accept it and move on. Just like how there was a surge of Pure DK's and just like there will be a surge of each class that receives a rework going forward. in the end each class will be somewhat on par with each other so stop complaining about something you dont even play, and adapt. Overcoming difficulty is the fun of the game.
The werewolves NEED THIS BUFF . Werewolves are a pseudo class. It requires abandoning skills and passives of your class/multiclass to even use and even then you have to focus on it. It is a ONE BAR class so yes each skill is going to look and feel OP to make up for defenses / offenses and lack of versatility. They absolutely should be on par with the top sweaty builds because Its for people to enjoy and have fun without worrying about memorizing 20 different button combos and trying to keep up 30 buffs at a time, while also light attack weaving (which should not even be a thing).
Please Devs keep it the way it is. Werewolves being crappy prior to this is why I quit playing, and it will be the only reason I come back. Don't listen to them, They simply shouldnt be charging head first into a raging werewolf without a plan. Being a werewolf is a ultimate and a class and it should be treated as such and shouldnt be changed for those who dont engage with it at all.
Darkness734
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Re: The game needs things to do.
First, thanks for the feedback. A bit of follow up before asking a question. We are adding some new things for folks to do. Dynamic Encounters (Currently on PTS), Favors (Currently on PTS), Rumors (Coming later this year), Sages Vault (coming later this year) and our events are aimed to give more things to do. We are trying to find a right balance for events, since we have heard feedback around having too many.
It sounds like you are looking for more things for players to do based on their agency, rather than activities we have set up in-game. But please correct me if I am wrong. Just trying to make sure the request is understood.
Is there something you are looking for in particular? Like some examples from other games you have played would be helpful. Just so we can send things to the right places.
These things, and the entire event zone concept, are a great start for fleshing out the overworld and making it feel a little less dead once the main zone story has been cleared. If there was zone thing I could suggest to the ESO design team, it would be to take a look at how Guildwars 2 does "meta" event "chains". Particularly, I would love to take them to the "Straits of Devastation" zone.
The three "invasion" event chains all have to complete their final "success" event, at which point the Group event chain at the bottom starts. The whole thing is just really dynamic (this is all alongside a bunch of other little one-off events and smaller chains). But also, there are reasons to complete the group event; only while the "pact" controls the temple at the end does it unlock the vendor there that sells some styles, and it's one of the most cost-effective sources of a material used in high end crafting. So, it's fun, it's dynamic, and there are reasons to keep doing it.
The technology underpinning ESO is way better and the writers are better, you guys could do so much cool stuff if you picked up the event chain concept. Make complex repeatable quest chains with, and this is important, failure conditions. Make things hard, make it possible to fail, but when events fail, they shouldn't "just be over" give us a failure event to do after that until it resets from a pseudo-checkpoint event and we can try again.
Can you imagine if Auridon was actually under siege by the Yaghra and it only ended if players made it end (until they attacked again) by fighting their way there from Shimmerene?
Re: Werewolf Update From The Combat Refresh Team
Will WW be able to pick up Chaosballs in Battlegrounds? So many times I’ve mauled a carrier and not been able to collect the ball. It makes me feel like such a hindrance to my team!
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Since DK is effectively a 2.5 class, they should get TWO masteries, whereas every other gimped, lagging class should chose THREE until their respective updates—whenever those occur as ostensibly warden has already missed its deadline. Continuing to pile power onto a class with such a clear delta ahead of the others is typical ZOS fumbling. Do better.
1st of all, Warden didn't miss their deadline, they were always scheduled for Q3 and Sorc for Q4.
2nd, look better at the context of the patch. DK's 2 DPS Masteries are a stackable dot and 1~10% damage done, but they're also losing 7~15% damage done from Whip which was originally a bandaid to buff them last minute. They're basically only getting 1 Mastery in comparison to live, so to your point, yes, every other class is getting 1 more than DK from a DPS perspective.
3rd, I'd also say DK's seem more tame than the other classes. Almost as if they specifically designed some Masteries to be stronger than others based on how underperforming the pure version of those classes do. Otherwise, why does Arcanist get +33% damage done permanently while DK gets 10% but they need to build up to it, yeah it improves healing too, but you'll notice a pattern of how some are juiced more than others in different directions.
Frankly I'd expect Arcanist, Necromancer, and to a lesser extent Warden to have stronger Masteries because their non DPS lines are nearly strictly Support, they're great for subclassing, but not great for pure classing. The 4 OG classes tended to have their skills and passives better mixed up so it's less of a detriment for them considering.
And yeah, this is a transitional period, we have to deal with the growing pains which means DK dominates for an entire patch, but give them the benefit of the doubt, ZOS be cooking. Masteries are great and from whats there, it looks exciting, I find it hard to look at this so negatively and say "do better" lol.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
After actually skimming through most of the thread and reading a few posts, can we like...not automatically call for nerfs on something that's been in testing for a whole two days? Maybe we could try, I don't know, asking ZOS to change the damage the Skills do vs players like with some other Skills out there.
For one, how many unique builds are there to even test against in the PTS? How can you reliably test if something is 'too strong' if there's only a fraction of the people in the PTS compared to Live and even less of a fraction of those people are doing stuff in Cyro? If you're facing the same handful of people that have no real variation in build, then things are going to come across as skewed. And if we're talking a duel against one person, that's such a miniscule sample size it might as well not even exist.
Second, it's a giant rampaging monster, it stands to reason it's doing to do a decent amount of damage. You know how in PvE the higher-end content it's often recommended to carry a couple of different Gear Sets and Skill Bar loadouts so you can swap depending on the situation? Why not have the same thing for WW? Why not adapt some and have a Skill or two on your backbar to help with Snares or other CC to run out a WW's Ult? Idk about Pack Leader but for Berserker, WW form drops FAST if you don't have things around to constantly munch on. But isn't that whole "adapt evolve overcome" or however it goes meme always what people throw around when others bring up complaints or concerns about something?
Third, I keep seeing people say "oh but a 1bar build shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a 2bar build" and I genuinely don't understand that logic. Yes, 2bar builds take more effort, you need to upkeep this or that more, micromanage more buffs or whatever, but at the same time locking people out of doing actual good damage because they have more fun with something that's easier to run baffles me. A lot of people have any number of reasons why 1bar builds are more accessible, and it just doesn't sit right with me that those people should get told "you're not doing as much work as me you don't get to do as much damage". Plus I mean, you're giving up build variation and any number of things when you go 1bar, you have to pick and choose carefully what you're going to put on your bar. You have less freedom.
WW doing a lot of damage on a 1bar build a) makes it accessible to people who have issues (such as anything related to chronic pain or injuries or slow/bad internet) that make a 2bar build largely impossible, and b) again, it's a rampaging monster brought about by a curse of a God-like being. Of course it's gonna hit hard. WW has been in such an awful state for so long, I'd really like for it not to get neutered again before it hits Live.
All that said, I forgot to mention in my other post but I like the WW markings, including the glow. I can see how other people don't like it, though, and it is a bit of a weird design choice to make them have glowing marks when afaik there's never been any kind of WW in any of the TES games that have glowy marks on them. I'd say jusr make variants of the WW Skill Styles that don't have the glowing marks.
Also, I know the Patch Notes said there's no unique animation for the Prowl mechanic, and there is the big ole eye in the middle of the screen, but...is there really no way to give WWs some sort of crouched animation? Like it doesn't even have to be tied to the Prowl mechanic, just SOME sort of change in posture to indicate implied sneakiness.
For one, how many unique builds are there to even test against in the PTS? How can you reliably test if something is 'too strong' if there's only a fraction of the people in the PTS compared to Live and even less of a fraction of those people are doing stuff in Cyro? If you're facing the same handful of people that have no real variation in build, then things are going to come across as skewed. And if we're talking a duel against one person, that's such a miniscule sample size it might as well not even exist.
Second, it's a giant rampaging monster, it stands to reason it's doing to do a decent amount of damage. You know how in PvE the higher-end content it's often recommended to carry a couple of different Gear Sets and Skill Bar loadouts so you can swap depending on the situation? Why not have the same thing for WW? Why not adapt some and have a Skill or two on your backbar to help with Snares or other CC to run out a WW's Ult? Idk about Pack Leader but for Berserker, WW form drops FAST if you don't have things around to constantly munch on. But isn't that whole "adapt evolve overcome" or however it goes meme always what people throw around when others bring up complaints or concerns about something?
Third, I keep seeing people say "oh but a 1bar build shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a 2bar build" and I genuinely don't understand that logic. Yes, 2bar builds take more effort, you need to upkeep this or that more, micromanage more buffs or whatever, but at the same time locking people out of doing actual good damage because they have more fun with something that's easier to run baffles me. A lot of people have any number of reasons why 1bar builds are more accessible, and it just doesn't sit right with me that those people should get told "you're not doing as much work as me you don't get to do as much damage". Plus I mean, you're giving up build variation and any number of things when you go 1bar, you have to pick and choose carefully what you're going to put on your bar. You have less freedom.
WW doing a lot of damage on a 1bar build a) makes it accessible to people who have issues (such as anything related to chronic pain or injuries or slow/bad internet) that make a 2bar build largely impossible, and b) again, it's a rampaging monster brought about by a curse of a God-like being. Of course it's gonna hit hard. WW has been in such an awful state for so long, I'd really like for it not to get neutered again before it hits Live.
All that said, I forgot to mention in my other post but I like the WW markings, including the glow. I can see how other people don't like it, though, and it is a bit of a weird design choice to make them have glowing marks when afaik there's never been any kind of WW in any of the TES games that have glowy marks on them. I'd say jusr make variants of the WW Skill Styles that don't have the glowing marks.
Also, I know the Patch Notes said there's no unique animation for the Prowl mechanic, and there is the big ole eye in the middle of the screen, but...is there really no way to give WWs some sort of crouched animation? Like it doesn't even have to be tied to the Prowl mechanic, just SOME sort of change in posture to indicate implied sneakiness.
Arunei
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