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Re: It Appears Grey Host and Vengeance Will Exist Side by Side After All. Thoughts?
I’m amused by the people who talk as if Vengeance is going to kill GH, with all this talk about how ball groups will only be able to play with themselves. You know who played Vengeance most consistently during the tests? People who already weren’t playing in GH to begin with. GH regulars only came to Vengeance when it was the only option for any PVP. During the side by side test, GH remained as populated as ever.
The people who like Vengeance are going to play Vengeance, and the people who like GH are going to play GH.
The people who like Vengeance are going to play Vengeance, and the people who like GH are going to play GH.
Re: Make Housing Mats Affordable
wolfie1.0. wrote: »You are actually mistaken. The cost of obtaining furniture mats is not a gold value its a time value. Furniture mats like heartwood are free. You can pick them up at no gold cost from the world. The real question is how much time are you willing to spend to do that? And what is that time worth to you in gold.
Also lets be real here. Buying houses in eso is not driven primarily buy mat prices. Do they factor in? Yes, but they are not the driving force. And honestly, it kinda goes the other way. New houses, especially upcoming free ones or existing free ones impact the market.
IMO if your going to sell mats at an npc vendor in a non limited supply you.might as well remove that component from the game.
Better solutions would be to reduce the cost of the.mat requirements, and/or allow us to deconstruct furnishings.
Neither will happen. Because like in the real world housing is for the people that have money
In a vacuum I would agree. But I saw it happen. I was trying to buy some for a house I was decorating and the markets were empty. Anything new disappeared rather quickly. I was there.
Re: Good DK buff
It doesn't necessarily work that way in practice. Low skill ceiling for one aspect of gameplay means sweaty players can now apply that skill somehwere else.I wouldn’t say they are removing skill but allowing for the players to be on par to more skilled players with less effort
Look at the ball groups. So much of their playstyle is now automated, but instead of seeing pugs replicate that automation, the performance gap continues to widen.
Some players criticize Vengeance for this reason but I very much enjoy focusing my skills on combat prowess without having to prep for gear as a threat, and 1vX bad players just the same.
There in lines the problem sweats are gonna take anything and use/abuse to the max no ands ifs or buts essentially yet when people get something nerfed because the sweats well doesn’t hurt them they just move on to next broken thing.
And it is already determined. Judging by wording in the PTS summary ZoS gave, nerfs are already locked in.
Dracane
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Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
Warning: Unmarked spoilers!
Yesterday I concluded Tanlorin's questline, and the experience was ambivalent. On the other hand, I really liked the characters who were distinct and well characterized. On the other, however, the plot was only half explained, if that. It hinges on Wisteria's betrayal, but her motivation was not explained sufficiently. As the text stands, she seemed to just randomly decide that going over to the Ceythalmor would enable her to be romantically together with Tanlorin - as if they couldn't do that as it was. But also, judging form her lines she seemed to think the planned coup was important in itself, even more than Tanlorin's life. But why? The writer never tells us.
This bugged me greatly, so I concocted the following headcanon: Either Wisteria was a double agent for the Ceythalmor from the beginning, or they managed to turn her at an early stage to their side. As the faction's goals and thinking are left very ambiguous, there's room for speculation what was the exact hook they lured Wisteria with. I'm going with an idea they are a sort of fascist fringe faction within the Thalmor: Intending to transform the Altmer society into an authoritarian, populist state ruled by an ostensibly meritocratic elite (while paying some lip service to traditional forms). So, rather like the Falange in the 1930's Spain in our world.
Wisteria might have been attracted to an idea of equality among the Altmer and the breaking of the power of the wealthy elite and the social shackles of the family structures (which the Ceythalmor also might say is their goal, as does the Garland Ring), but not so much to the Ayrenn-style acceptance of outsiders which seems to be a part of the ideology of the Garland Ring. Part of the Ceythalmor populist drive could be a promise to remove the stigma of the oustered Altmer. As Tanlorin is oustered from their family, an open relationship between them and Wisteria would be socially unacceptable in the current conditions, and she doesn't want to risk becoming an outcast herself. Still, having their romance remaining a secret can't truly satisfy her in the long run either. Wisteria also seems to be frustrated with Garland Ring because they can't transform the society quickly enough for her taste. So, she thinks the coup the Ceythalmor is attempting would at one stroke solve the societal problems she chafes with and enable her to openly have a romantic relationship with Tanlorin. Both goals are very important to her, but the societal one is in the end more weighty for her - which is why she is able to threaten even Tanlorin with death if they stand in her way, even though she is internally torn. Judging by her lines she seems to harbour a grandiose fantasy of being able to control the Ceythalmor after the coup so there's a hefty dose of ambition involved too. Also judging by what she says she might have come to see behind the rhetoric of the Ceythalmor and realize they are just all about power, but the fantasy of getting them under her control is too strong for her to resist.
The player character becomes a convenient scapegoat for Wisteria's dilemma, as she might say to herself that the PC has ruined things by "seducing" Tanlorin away from her. Thus, her anger and contempt for the "thorn in her side". She also seems to be a jealous person who might well think that if she can't get Tanlorin, no one will. So she stakes her every hope to the success of the coup. If it succeeds, she thinks she has a chance to win Tanlorin over to her way of thinking when they see how "well" things will turn out. If not, and Tanlorin has to be sacrificed, at least she can say to herself that she has made that great sacrifice so that the Altmer society is saved and made perfect (to use a word from her line in the final battle). Either way, she will remain a hero in her own mind and need not have a guilty conscience.
Basically, to me this seems to be the only psychologically and logically satisfying way to make sense of her actions. Otherwise, she just seems insane and/or self-sabotaging for no reason whatsoever. What do you think? Are there any other ways to make the plot make sense?
Yesterday I concluded Tanlorin's questline, and the experience was ambivalent. On the other hand, I really liked the characters who were distinct and well characterized. On the other, however, the plot was only half explained, if that. It hinges on Wisteria's betrayal, but her motivation was not explained sufficiently. As the text stands, she seemed to just randomly decide that going over to the Ceythalmor would enable her to be romantically together with Tanlorin - as if they couldn't do that as it was. But also, judging form her lines she seemed to think the planned coup was important in itself, even more than Tanlorin's life. But why? The writer never tells us.
This bugged me greatly, so I concocted the following headcanon: Either Wisteria was a double agent for the Ceythalmor from the beginning, or they managed to turn her at an early stage to their side. As the faction's goals and thinking are left very ambiguous, there's room for speculation what was the exact hook they lured Wisteria with. I'm going with an idea they are a sort of fascist fringe faction within the Thalmor: Intending to transform the Altmer society into an authoritarian, populist state ruled by an ostensibly meritocratic elite (while paying some lip service to traditional forms). So, rather like the Falange in the 1930's Spain in our world.
Wisteria might have been attracted to an idea of equality among the Altmer and the breaking of the power of the wealthy elite and the social shackles of the family structures (which the Ceythalmor also might say is their goal, as does the Garland Ring), but not so much to the Ayrenn-style acceptance of outsiders which seems to be a part of the ideology of the Garland Ring. Part of the Ceythalmor populist drive could be a promise to remove the stigma of the oustered Altmer. As Tanlorin is oustered from their family, an open relationship between them and Wisteria would be socially unacceptable in the current conditions, and she doesn't want to risk becoming an outcast herself. Still, having their romance remaining a secret can't truly satisfy her in the long run either. Wisteria also seems to be frustrated with Garland Ring because they can't transform the society quickly enough for her taste. So, she thinks the coup the Ceythalmor is attempting would at one stroke solve the societal problems she chafes with and enable her to openly have a romantic relationship with Tanlorin. Both goals are very important to her, but the societal one is in the end more weighty for her - which is why she is able to threaten even Tanlorin with death if they stand in her way, even though she is internally torn. Judging by her lines she seems to harbour a grandiose fantasy of being able to control the Ceythalmor after the coup so there's a hefty dose of ambition involved too. Also judging by what she says she might have come to see behind the rhetoric of the Ceythalmor and realize they are just all about power, but the fantasy of getting them under her control is too strong for her to resist.
The player character becomes a convenient scapegoat for Wisteria's dilemma, as she might say to herself that the PC has ruined things by "seducing" Tanlorin away from her. Thus, her anger and contempt for the "thorn in her side". She also seems to be a jealous person who might well think that if she can't get Tanlorin, no one will. So she stakes her every hope to the success of the coup. If it succeeds, she thinks she has a chance to win Tanlorin over to her way of thinking when they see how "well" things will turn out. If not, and Tanlorin has to be sacrificed, at least she can say to herself that she has made that great sacrifice so that the Altmer society is saved and made perfect (to use a word from her line in the final battle). Either way, she will remain a hero in her own mind and need not have a guilty conscience.
Basically, to me this seems to be the only psychologically and logically satisfying way to make sense of her actions. Otherwise, she just seems insane and/or self-sabotaging for no reason whatsoever. What do you think? Are there any other ways to make the plot make sense?
Tesman85
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Re: Does anyone actually prefer Templar beam at 3.8 seconds? 1.8 felt so much better
Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »
Honestly, I would prefer they remove the "channel" from all Templar skills in the rework, except sweeps/jabs. Jabs needs a targeting overhaul still. Back to the point, Jbeam should just be an instant cast ranged ability with an execute multiplier, but should be reduced to be online of 200-300% with other executes.
Your idea is a worse idea than making it 3.8 seconds, that’s like saying make dragon leap a melee ult
I fail to see your logic...I did say keep it ranged, right? Look, either beam should have a ramping damage increase the longer you channel it, or it should deal upfront damage with an execute multiplier. If that is the case, the multiplier should be reduced to be in line with other instant execute skills, not as a DoT channel.
Next New Zone?
Where do you want to visit next?
The Ruby Isles - Also called Imperial Island, City Isle, or the Eight Islands, this includes the island immediately surrounding Imperial City & a few small adjacent islands. With Cyrodiil at war and the Imperial City under siege, this little slice of forgotten territory is perfectly positioned to serve as a future Event Zone with its own dynamics, or as a direct expansion of Imperial City with the same Tel Var PvP dynamic.
Soltheim - We've been there before, but let's go back again! Perhaps we can get a Werebear skill style.
Central Skyrim - Fill in the rest of that gap! College of Winterhold + the Pale. Maybe some expansion of Frost elf lore.
Shivering Isles - The realms of Mania and Dementia offer the perfect place for PvP Battle Royale, each with their own uniquely maddening rulesets.
Hammerfell - The perfect zone to release in conjunction with ES6. Expect heavy lore cross-over, maybe even character cross-overs.
Soul Cairn - We could learn more about the Ideal Masters, and maybe pick up some new Soul Magic.
Black Marsh - Lots of space left here: Soulrest, Helstrom, Thorn, Gideon, Archon. Up to South Deshaan.
Central Elsweyr - The Tenmar Forest between Northern and Southern Elsweyr. Potential home of some endangered beast races.
Falinesti - This one is tricky, but not impossible. Since the city has been taken by someone (Rajhin, Molag Bal, Mephala, who knows?) we could find it in Coldharbour or some other realm. Our completion of the storyline would simply ensure the city's "future return" to Nirn, simplifying implementation.
The Ruby Isles - Also called Imperial Island, City Isle, or the Eight Islands, this includes the island immediately surrounding Imperial City & a few small adjacent islands. With Cyrodiil at war and the Imperial City under siege, this little slice of forgotten territory is perfectly positioned to serve as a future Event Zone with its own dynamics, or as a direct expansion of Imperial City with the same Tel Var PvP dynamic.
Soltheim - We've been there before, but let's go back again! Perhaps we can get a Werebear skill style.
Central Skyrim - Fill in the rest of that gap! College of Winterhold + the Pale. Maybe some expansion of Frost elf lore.
Shivering Isles - The realms of Mania and Dementia offer the perfect place for PvP Battle Royale, each with their own uniquely maddening rulesets.
Hammerfell - The perfect zone to release in conjunction with ES6. Expect heavy lore cross-over, maybe even character cross-overs.
Soul Cairn - We could learn more about the Ideal Masters, and maybe pick up some new Soul Magic.
Black Marsh - Lots of space left here: Soulrest, Helstrom, Thorn, Gideon, Archon. Up to South Deshaan.
Central Elsweyr - The Tenmar Forest between Northern and Southern Elsweyr. Potential home of some endangered beast races.
Falinesti - This one is tricky, but not impossible. Since the city has been taken by someone (Rajhin, Molag Bal, Mephala, who knows?) we could find it in Coldharbour or some other realm. Our completion of the storyline would simply ensure the city's "future return" to Nirn, simplifying implementation.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
No, I'm not invested in that, devs arne't gonna care about random player suggestions, developing solutions is their job not mine. My point was that it should belong to Sorc. I don't put much time into MagSorc but yes I know how to play it and how it works. StamSorc I've spent years on.I am curious how you would ensure the passives remains good (Somehow even better?) for MagSorc whilst not affecting Werewolf. I doubt you are satisfied with making it exclude Werewolf somehow. You want it to only work on class skills.
I would like it to be Sorc's as well. And I think you hold more sway than you think. All things considered, not too many people speak here frequently and passionately. I recall your Hardened Ward threads from 2024. They succeeded.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Ok, I finally got the time to play around and check some things out in here. Apologies for the delay; it's been a week so I didn't get much of a chance to do anything.
First: I really like it overall. It's a lot of fun. I'm again looking at this mostly from a casual, play-around fun-based standpoint. Most of the things I have to give input on are more general instead of for any specific skills. I feel like the skills are fine, but it did take a bit of patience to learn how they all interacted with each other due to the extensive tooltips.
First:
There's still a lot of information missing. The tooltips are already long enough, and even some of them don't give all of the information they need (neither of the tooltips for the Transformation morphs say exactly how much damage and movement is increased; you need to unmorph it to see that information)
The big problem though is that the Prowl and Slaughter mechanics are not mentioned anywhere outside of the Patch Notes. If it weren't for the fact that I read them, I'd have no idea that they existed. And the Help entry for Werewolves does not mention anything about it either - in fact the Werewolf help entry only tells how to become a werewolf, and the only entry under the Combat tab that mentions werewolves is that they can't use Skill Scrolls.
The information about Prowl and Slaughter needs to be added. Honestly, there should be a whole tab for Werewolves under the Combat to really explain all of these book-length tooltips.
So, the other thoughts I have playing with it:
The Werewolf timer is much more confusing than it was before. Having it proc off of Ultimate instead of time is fine, but the problem is that the default state of the game is to not show ult numbers. That means players will need to know to go into the options and turn them on in order to have a visible timer for their werewolf form.
Also, we had that timer under the mag bar for 12 years now, so it meaning something completely different is screwing with our muscle memory. It would be great if that bar were still useable as a werewolf timer as before, but now just showed our ultimate from 500-0 ult so we could still use it as a gauge for our werewolf form as we did in the past.
As for the Fury mechanic, I'd use the other side of the screen. In the vanilla UI, there is a bar that is designed to appear under the Stamina bar for your mount stamina. Werewolves can't mount, so allowing that bar to represent Fury gains while in werewolf form would make sense. Plus, that bar is closer to the Ultimate icon, so it's even more obvious that they're related.
This is how I would set it up:
Also, The glowing Ultimate is confusing. We have been conditioned that glowy Ultimate = ready to fire! And now we see this:
"Oh good! My Ult is ready!"
...and I turn back.
Oh, I had to wait until the glowy Ultimate icon turned to a different image to know my Rampage was ready.
Pity that the image is not the most obvious thing there, the glow is.
On Live, the Ultimate visually darkens. We can still hit it to transform back, but there's nothing calling us to hit it in that case.
I'd like to see the Ultimate icon keep the darkened version as it does on Live. Once Rampage is ready, the icon should change and the glowy border should start.
Appearance:
While the weekly update did say that no changes to the model were being implemented, I would still like to offer a bit of feedback.
First: it is great. It looks much better than we thought just seeing the A-pose from the preview thread. The only thing I don't like is the fact that the dewclaws on the rear legs stick out like sore thumbs.
I'd have preferred Skyrim's version of omitting the dewclaws, or at least Bloodmoon's version of keeping is tucked tightly to the paw.
The summary also mentioned the Werewolf Form, White skill style:
I will admit that I am not a fan of this version. I did prefer the black-nosed wolf-with-white-fur we have on Live as opposed to the albino look from the PTS.
However, this is definitely a "¿Por qué no los dos?" situation. The Skill Style here is our only source of character customization in werewolf form, so we should get a lot of them releasing for those of us fashion-a-holics. The white-fur-black-nose would be a great target for the next set of released werewolf styles, as would styles matching some of the common wolf colors already in game like the grey timberwolves or the russet brown direwolves we can spawn.
Please churn these out regularly though. You know that we in the ESO fandom love our customization, so we'll just eat up more werewolf colors.
The one thing I would do though is to rename the current "Werewolf Form, White" skill style to "Werewolf Form, Albino." That way when the white-fur-black-nose wolf releases, it can get the name "Werewolf Form, White" and prevent a lot of awkwardness trying to find a name for it.
But yes, definitely release more colors soon, and particularly the white, grey, and russet versions mentioned above.
(and definitely consider going bigger for things like a brown werebear as well...)
Regarding the glowy markings, I don't hate them as much as I thought I would at first, but I wouldn't mind losing them either. I do like the idea that's been presented of it appearing when Rampage is active.
As for the skills, I really don't have much to say. One thing I would have liked to see added though would be a way for a werewolf healer to be a thing - like a way that one wolf could heal others. Maybe if Hircine's Fortitude or Deafening Roar were made to apply a Vigor-esque heal to others?
First: I really like it overall. It's a lot of fun. I'm again looking at this mostly from a casual, play-around fun-based standpoint. Most of the things I have to give input on are more general instead of for any specific skills. I feel like the skills are fine, but it did take a bit of patience to learn how they all interacted with each other due to the extensive tooltips.
First:
There's still a lot of information missing. The tooltips are already long enough, and even some of them don't give all of the information they need (neither of the tooltips for the Transformation morphs say exactly how much damage and movement is increased; you need to unmorph it to see that information)
The big problem though is that the Prowl and Slaughter mechanics are not mentioned anywhere outside of the Patch Notes. If it weren't for the fact that I read them, I'd have no idea that they existed. And the Help entry for Werewolves does not mention anything about it either - in fact the Werewolf help entry only tells how to become a werewolf, and the only entry under the Combat tab that mentions werewolves is that they can't use Skill Scrolls.
The information about Prowl and Slaughter needs to be added. Honestly, there should be a whole tab for Werewolves under the Combat to really explain all of these book-length tooltips.
So, the other thoughts I have playing with it:
The Werewolf timer is much more confusing than it was before. Having it proc off of Ultimate instead of time is fine, but the problem is that the default state of the game is to not show ult numbers. That means players will need to know to go into the options and turn them on in order to have a visible timer for their werewolf form.
Also, we had that timer under the mag bar for 12 years now, so it meaning something completely different is screwing with our muscle memory. It would be great if that bar were still useable as a werewolf timer as before, but now just showed our ultimate from 500-0 ult so we could still use it as a gauge for our werewolf form as we did in the past.
As for the Fury mechanic, I'd use the other side of the screen. In the vanilla UI, there is a bar that is designed to appear under the Stamina bar for your mount stamina. Werewolves can't mount, so allowing that bar to represent Fury gains while in werewolf form would make sense. Plus, that bar is closer to the Ultimate icon, so it's even more obvious that they're related.
This is how I would set it up:
Also, The glowing Ultimate is confusing. We have been conditioned that glowy Ultimate = ready to fire! And now we see this:
"Oh good! My Ult is ready!"
...and I turn back.
Oh, I had to wait until the glowy Ultimate icon turned to a different image to know my Rampage was ready.
Pity that the image is not the most obvious thing there, the glow is.
On Live, the Ultimate visually darkens. We can still hit it to transform back, but there's nothing calling us to hit it in that case.
I'd like to see the Ultimate icon keep the darkened version as it does on Live. Once Rampage is ready, the icon should change and the glowy border should start.
Appearance:
While the weekly update did say that no changes to the model were being implemented, I would still like to offer a bit of feedback.
First: it is great. It looks much better than we thought just seeing the A-pose from the preview thread. The only thing I don't like is the fact that the dewclaws on the rear legs stick out like sore thumbs.
I'd have preferred Skyrim's version of omitting the dewclaws, or at least Bloodmoon's version of keeping is tucked tightly to the paw.
The summary also mentioned the Werewolf Form, White skill style:
I will admit that I am not a fan of this version. I did prefer the black-nosed wolf-with-white-fur we have on Live as opposed to the albino look from the PTS.
However, this is definitely a "¿Por qué no los dos?" situation. The Skill Style here is our only source of character customization in werewolf form, so we should get a lot of them releasing for those of us fashion-a-holics. The white-fur-black-nose would be a great target for the next set of released werewolf styles, as would styles matching some of the common wolf colors already in game like the grey timberwolves or the russet brown direwolves we can spawn.
Please churn these out regularly though. You know that we in the ESO fandom love our customization, so we'll just eat up more werewolf colors.
The one thing I would do though is to rename the current "Werewolf Form, White" skill style to "Werewolf Form, Albino." That way when the white-fur-black-nose wolf releases, it can get the name "Werewolf Form, White" and prevent a lot of awkwardness trying to find a name for it.
But yes, definitely release more colors soon, and particularly the white, grey, and russet versions mentioned above.
(and definitely consider going bigger for things like a brown werebear as well...)
Regarding the glowy markings, I don't hate them as much as I thought I would at first, but I wouldn't mind losing them either. I do like the idea that's been presented of it appearing when Rampage is active.
As for the skills, I really don't have much to say. One thing I would have liked to see added though would be a way for a werewolf healer to be a thing - like a way that one wolf could heal others. Maybe if Hircine's Fortitude or Deafening Roar were made to apply a Vigor-esque heal to others?
tomofhyrule
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Re: Race passives balance makes more sense now
emilyhyoyeon wrote: »I only agree that Dark Elf might need to be looked at a bit, since they have been the top choice for both magicka and stamina for a long time. They have no downsides.
There are also some like Redguard that are inappropriately underpowered. With the current passives, Altmer are more powerful warriors than Redguards, for example.
The philosophy of the racial restructuring some years back was that no race should have both; good damage and good sustain. Altmer is supposed to be a damage race with no main stat sustain, while Redguard is a sustain race.
So it is not underpowered at all. You just may not value stamina recovery or see it as equally important. You do 0 damage once you are out of ressources. It's just that the game gives us more and more tools to sustain more easily. So that would be an entirely different debate.
Dracane
1