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Re: Monster Hunter Personality from Tomes needs this one "FIX"
honestly the easiest fix for such or other personalities that display a weapon would be to hide any other weapons on you while you have it equipped
OR
make weapons in general also hidable like other outfit slots...
OR
make weapons in general also hidable like other outfit slots...
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
PTS PVP Observation – ESO Update 50
From testing on the Update 50 PTS, werewolf performance in PvP, especially dueling, feels heavily defined by a DPS vs HPS feedback loop.
In a duel scenario, werewolf is operating in what is essentially its ideal environment:
- Constant target access
- Near 100% uptime
- Easy fury/enrage/ultimate sustain to maintain form
This is even more pronounced in U50 because sustaining werewolf form is now significantly smoother, with ultimate generation continuing while transformed and upkeep tied into the ultimate system itself rather than clunky combat conditions. The result is a very stable combat loop where pressure can be maintained almost indefinitely. While offensive sustain is not even a concern. While werewolf excels at burst recovery from counter attacks.
Observation from dueling on PTS:
- As werewolf DPS increases, the opponent is forced into equally high healing per second to survive. This is a different dynamic from other builds which push mild dps pressure and combine with spike dps from ults to finish duels.
- This creates a scaling arms race, higher werewolf pressure directly demands higher defensive output.
- Because the opponent cannot easily disengage, werewolf can fully leverage bleed stacking, light attack pressure, and sustained melee uptime.
-Most likely will get a lot of feels bad man comments and feedback as most players don't want to adjust their play styles or builds to deal with a different threats.
This aligns with the broader U50 design direction of making werewolf more aggressive, fluid, and easier to sustain.
Where the dynamic shifts – Group PvP:
In group PvP, effectiveness noticeably drops, not simply because of a lack of cross-healing or shielding, but because the duel conditions break down:
Loss of uptime: Targets kite, line-of-sight, or get peeled
-Interrupted sustain loop: Even brief disengagement reduces ultimate/Rage generation→ impacts form uptime
-Increased incoming pressure: Multiple attackers overwhelm self-healing
-Disruption: CC, stacking snares and target swapping interrupt bleed stacking and pressure ramp
While Update 50 improves overall fluidity and lowers the burden of maintaining form, it doesn’t fundamentally solve the issue that werewolf is still a single-target, uptime-dependent damage profile.
Final PTS takeaway:
Dueling: Werewolf feels extremely strong—arguably one of its best states ever. The DPS ↔ HPS scaling creates high-pressure, sustained fights where werewolf thrives.
Group PvP: Performance declines as soon as uptime and isolation are lost. The spec struggles to maintain the same pressure without controlled 1v1 conditions.
Bottom line:
On U50 PTS, werewolf excels when it can force a fight on its terms. The further the scenario moves away from a controlled duel, the more its effectiveness drops.
Suggestions:
-Decrease duration of Rampage to 10s, decrease fury cost to 500 to activate.
-Make rampage ult activation not consume a global cooldown to make the shift less clunkily and more seamless. Deactivated the ability to shift out of WW while rampaging, there currently is a 5 second lock out after you activate enrage.
-Increase base ability cost of werewolf abilities. +~20%
-While enraged increase werewolf ability cost by 15%. but keep suspend ult cost when active.
Have pack leader shift heal to AOE when rampaging or/and provided a bonus to the pack in some way drop the health regen.
Make abilities cost Magicka or stamina based off highest stat pool.
Roar should cost should be off-stat.
*Edits changing verbage of Fury and Enrage to match tooltips
From testing on the Update 50 PTS, werewolf performance in PvP, especially dueling, feels heavily defined by a DPS vs HPS feedback loop.
In a duel scenario, werewolf is operating in what is essentially its ideal environment:
- Constant target access
- Near 100% uptime
- Easy fury/enrage/ultimate sustain to maintain form
This is even more pronounced in U50 because sustaining werewolf form is now significantly smoother, with ultimate generation continuing while transformed and upkeep tied into the ultimate system itself rather than clunky combat conditions. The result is a very stable combat loop where pressure can be maintained almost indefinitely. While offensive sustain is not even a concern. While werewolf excels at burst recovery from counter attacks.
Observation from dueling on PTS:
- As werewolf DPS increases, the opponent is forced into equally high healing per second to survive. This is a different dynamic from other builds which push mild dps pressure and combine with spike dps from ults to finish duels.
- This creates a scaling arms race, higher werewolf pressure directly demands higher defensive output.
- Because the opponent cannot easily disengage, werewolf can fully leverage bleed stacking, light attack pressure, and sustained melee uptime.
-Most likely will get a lot of feels bad man comments and feedback as most players don't want to adjust their play styles or builds to deal with a different threats.
This aligns with the broader U50 design direction of making werewolf more aggressive, fluid, and easier to sustain.
Where the dynamic shifts – Group PvP:
In group PvP, effectiveness noticeably drops, not simply because of a lack of cross-healing or shielding, but because the duel conditions break down:
Loss of uptime: Targets kite, line-of-sight, or get peeled
-Interrupted sustain loop: Even brief disengagement reduces ultimate/Rage generation→ impacts form uptime
-Increased incoming pressure: Multiple attackers overwhelm self-healing
-Disruption: CC, stacking snares and target swapping interrupt bleed stacking and pressure ramp
While Update 50 improves overall fluidity and lowers the burden of maintaining form, it doesn’t fundamentally solve the issue that werewolf is still a single-target, uptime-dependent damage profile.
Final PTS takeaway:
Dueling: Werewolf feels extremely strong—arguably one of its best states ever. The DPS ↔ HPS scaling creates high-pressure, sustained fights where werewolf thrives.
Group PvP: Performance declines as soon as uptime and isolation are lost. The spec struggles to maintain the same pressure without controlled 1v1 conditions.
Bottom line:
On U50 PTS, werewolf excels when it can force a fight on its terms. The further the scenario moves away from a controlled duel, the more its effectiveness drops.
Suggestions:
-Decrease duration of Rampage to 10s, decrease fury cost to 500 to activate.
-Make rampage ult activation not consume a global cooldown to make the shift less clunkily and more seamless. Deactivated the ability to shift out of WW while rampaging, there currently is a 5 second lock out after you activate enrage.
-Increase base ability cost of werewolf abilities. +~20%
-While enraged increase werewolf ability cost by 15%. but keep suspend ult cost when active.
Have pack leader shift heal to AOE when rampaging or/and provided a bonus to the pack in some way drop the health regen.
Make abilities cost Magicka or stamina based off highest stat pool.
Roar should cost should be off-stat.
*Edits changing verbage of Fury and Enrage to match tooltips
Re: Sorc pet hate has to stop
birdmann1230 wrote: »Put pets as a world line Conjuration and change Daedric summoning to something else on the sorc. Everyone gets their pets who wants them and the sorc isn’t handicapped by it. I wish for the day my main can run a high dps in content without them instead of beam spamming.
This is the way.
Re: Monster Hunter Personality from Tomes needs this one "FIX"
There are a lot of Polymorphs and costumes and outfit styles that include a "Hide Back Weapons" addendum. That means 2H, Bow, Staff, Shield, but NOT 1H weapons at the waist.
That's precisely what this personality needed. Heck, that's the exact suggestion I made several times on PTS.
(The best option would be for them to go back in and reconfigure personalities so that this one could properly use an equipped 2H as the prop instead of the default, but...)
That's precisely what this personality needed. Heck, that's the exact suggestion I made several times on PTS.
(The best option would be for them to go back in and reconfigure personalities so that this one could properly use an equipped 2H as the prop instead of the default, but...)
Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
We have seen the smaller Cyrodiil though, they were very proud of their snowy pumpkins, because that matters.
But on Grey Host, I think they have just given up. They spent their ressources on Vengeance which will die faster than NoCP, noProc.
But on Grey Host, I think they have just given up. They spent their ressources on Vengeance which will die faster than NoCP, noProc.
L_Nici
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
So under normal conditions in normal fights, WW does 4-6k like every other sweaty player in duels has been doing for the past X years. Seriously doubt the missing WD will turn 4-6k dps into 10k. This clearly tells me the Sorc/WW interaction is the problem.I did 4k DPS vs the Warden
Pelican here on a better build with more WW experience pulling 6k+ DPS
Exactly what the issue is, the interaction with the sorc passives that enables this. Decimus posted a very insightful comment and solution in this thread that sums it up perfectly. He has over 10k hours in the game and plays everything in pvp, including werewolf and does more than duel, he does outnumbered open world and battlegrounds. I value his non biased feedback more than most players in here.
Re: Removing Map Based Leads?
Oh I have needs for that gold pile and the window could be fun too.
Not going to hold my breath yet. If they are tied to Glenumbra maps, all that will happen is that glenumbra maps will shoot up in price, and I still won't be able to afford them.
Hopefully they can be farmed some other way (stealing/looting etc).
The one lead that I found for the Armory was from a Thieve's Trove in Glenumbra. So there's a good chance the other parts will drop from other nefarious activities in the zone. Could also be tied to Hew's Bane activities too, since the leads are excavated there. I would expect some to drop from delve and WBs, in keeping with what we saw with the other multi-part crafting stations.
There are new "Favors" and random "Incursions" being added with U50. Perhaps those could be sources for the tapestry, window and stele leads.
The Zenithar Event is also currently on the PTS, so it's also possible that the "Zenithar Devotional Stele" could come from the event activities, but I really hope not. If it's a rare drop from a short-time event, that could further complicate collecting the codex required to purchase additional copies. Edited to add: Lead for Zenithar Devotional Stele dropped from the Glenumbra World Bosses located at The Wolf's Camp
Additional Note: It took two times killing the WB to get the first lead and another four times killing them to get the second lead.
If anyone else has been spending time on the U50 PTS, have you found any leads?
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Been afk for a while, jumped on pts to test some werewolf pve dps.
Pure:
DK: 140k
Sorc: 137k
Warden: 135k
NB: 132k
Templar: 130k
Necromancer: 122k (poor pure passives)
Arcanist: 122k (poor pure passives)
Subclassing:
130k~ with various skill line mixes
Pure:
DK: 140k
Sorc: 137k
Warden: 135k
NB: 132k
Templar: 130k
Necromancer: 122k (poor pure passives)
Arcanist: 122k (poor pure passives)
Subclassing:
130k~ with various skill line mixes
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Doesn't need to be that. Could make it mag/stam cost only (gets rid of the degenerate BfB interaction). Could give WW its own unique Class Mastery (also balances WW across classes this way). I agree Sorc Mastery shouldn't be nerfed at all, just those interactions.If Werewolf breaks it, as is abundantly clear to everyone by now, then maybe indeed the only way is to make it only work with class skills.
I dislike this, because I personally depend on this off heal. I do not have 3 dots, as I play a traditional mag sorc with wards instead. So losing this heal at least on my class skills would be horrible. The primary healing actually comes from non-class actions for me. (As Streak currently does not work with it)
Ironically you have the same people to thank for that that complained about DK getting buffs and now complain about werewolf getting buffs - Hardened Ward heal was absolutely fine in the context of subclassing (DK actually has this with Volcanic Ward now, yet no one even uses it) but it was nerfed due to very misguided feedback that didn't factor in reality.
I also would love shieldstacking playstyle to be more viable compared to playing sorcerer the same way you play literally any other build (i.e. build tanky with HoTs, burst heal back bar), but that has sadly not been the case since the Hardened Ward nerf.
Hopefully they do something about that in the sorcerer rework later this year!
Decimus
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