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Re: It Appears Grey Host and Vengeance Will Exist Side by Side After All. Thoughts?
MincMincMinc wrote: »Erickson9610 wrote: »Why do Vengeance perks have to be locked behind Veterancy at all? That's like saying we need to grind XP/AP to unlock Item Set slots or skill line passives in Gray Host, every 6 months.
So there's a progression. That's what a lot of the hardcore PvP crowd were complaining about in the first place; that Vengeance has no progression vs legacy Cyrodiil. Hopefully they expand the list of effects over time so there's added variety. I'm glad they added equivalents to Kagrenac's Hope though
People were mostly complaining about vengeance having no builds.
What I dont understand is why did zos even make this perk/bonus system function like this? The original intent was that because vengeance didnt have items enabled they wanted to make up for the lack of item sets and skill passives.......They could design the UI to look like ANYTHING. So why not design the UI for bonuses to look like slotting vengeance item sets? Instead they made a new system that people don't want to be bothered to learn.
There really isn’t much to learn with perks and loadouts. It’s similar to regular Cyro: you pick up your loadout and try it to see whether it suits your style. A bit like testing builds.
Re: Should Female Werewolves Have Small Chest Bumps?
The fur doesn’t look as bad as it did in the concept art but yeah… most women have breasts. That’s just a fact of life and, well, mine certainly are important to me. Can have them exist and it still be tasteful.
Soarora
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Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
Ketryellowynne wrote: »
Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.
For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.
My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.
Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.
Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.
KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.
The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.
(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)
You could probably solve this by allowing the WW Major Courage to only apply to other WWs.
So that it is a functional SPC replacement for all-WW groups, who otherwise have no means to source the buff group-wide, but it does not obviate the actual healer in more traditional groups.
Best of both worlds.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Sorc Conservation of Energy should only proc on Sorc class skills, or otherwise have its proc conditions restricted (can buff the numbers a little if the frequency would be less). For example this really doesn't need to proc off roll dodge or WW skills.
Absolutely not. You only think of it from the perspective of your small duelling bubble where Werewolfs and StamSorcs run rampant.
PvE tanks, healers (maybe DDs) absolutely depend on it activating on every skill, just like normal MagSorcs will for PvP. Because Sorc barely even uses class skills, since most of them are bad.
I hope this suggestion of yours will get utterly ignored, because this would be devastating for most others. The idea behind this is to bring pure classes up to par with Subclassing. It's instantly dead on arrival for most people in most situations if this gets nerfed even more.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I think it's important to talk about design here and not just whether something is very overtuned or not.
The design of werewolf throughout the history of this game has been low amount of heal over times/no dmg shields, very reliant on the burst heal and utilizing the mobility and dodging to not run out of resources when magicka starts getting low.
This gameplay loop on Live is actually very fun from gameplay point of view... just not typically very rewarding since you'd do less damage (both pressure & burst) than other builds out there.
Werewolf on PTS still largely has that, but when you take away the "low amount of heal over times" by adding automatic "Vigor tick" to every ability, every dodge roll etc it breaks things, especially when sustain has also been made infinitely easier.
Design wise werewolf should be an immense amount of damage when they can stick to you, the burst heal should be very powerful so you don't just die immediately when someone puts two DoTs on you... but people should still be able to put you on defensive - and you more or less have this when not taking class masteries into account.
A simple solution would be to disable class masteries (and I'd even disable class passives) while in werewolf form and bake in more power into werewolf passives instead to compensate for this.*
This would allow more flexibility with the future class reworks without having to consider if something is going to break werewolf or not and would probably free up more development time, as well as allowing players to go werewolf on any class, not just sorc (or feel left behind power wise).
*If one wants to go down a rabbit hole, they could even design an "unarmed" skill line with extremely strong passives and have werewolf default to that and gain benefits from those passives... this would be a more interesting approach imo and would add something for non-werewolves too, but would obviously require more development time.
The design of werewolf throughout the history of this game has been low amount of heal over times/no dmg shields, very reliant on the burst heal and utilizing the mobility and dodging to not run out of resources when magicka starts getting low.
This gameplay loop on Live is actually very fun from gameplay point of view... just not typically very rewarding since you'd do less damage (both pressure & burst) than other builds out there.
Werewolf on PTS still largely has that, but when you take away the "low amount of heal over times" by adding automatic "Vigor tick" to every ability, every dodge roll etc it breaks things, especially when sustain has also been made infinitely easier.
Design wise werewolf should be an immense amount of damage when they can stick to you, the burst heal should be very powerful so you don't just die immediately when someone puts two DoTs on you... but people should still be able to put you on defensive - and you more or less have this when not taking class masteries into account.
A simple solution would be to disable class masteries (and I'd even disable class passives) while in werewolf form and bake in more power into werewolf passives instead to compensate for this.*
This would allow more flexibility with the future class reworks without having to consider if something is going to break werewolf or not and would probably free up more development time, as well as allowing players to go werewolf on any class, not just sorc (or feel left behind power wise).
*If one wants to go down a rabbit hole, they could even design an "unarmed" skill line with extremely strong passives and have werewolf default to that and gain benefits from those passives... this would be a more interesting approach imo and would add something for non-werewolves too, but would obviously require more development time.
Decimus
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Re: A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
@Attorneyatlawl
In my opinion, casual players, whether they’re in guild runs, Discord groups, or using the group finder, should not have access to DPS meters and logs.
These tools are meant to help players improve. But in practice, that’s rarely how they’re used. I never see someone in a group finder say, “Let me check logs so I can help you get better.” Instead, logs are used as a gatekeeping tool, to judge, exclude, and kick players.
The same goes for DPS sharing. Rather than encouraging learning or teamwork, it creates pressure, comparison, and blame. People focus more on numbers than on actually playing well together. (HA builds as exemple)
Because of that, these tools end up being a major source of toxicity. They shift the focus from cooperation and enjoyment to performance policing and elitism.
If the goal is to make the experience better for the majority of players, especially in casual environments, then limiting or removing access to DPS logs and meters in those contexts would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary negativity.
EDIT:
If you don’t like my opinion, that’s fine, live with it. Just like I have to live with a game where players with zero DPS feel entitled to kick others simply because they have access to DPS meters.
They use logs to create toxicity, not to improve and at the same time, they wouldn’t last a second in any serious endgame push group. They’re not competitive players… just casuals pretending numbers make them experts.
In my opinion, casual players, whether they’re in guild runs, Discord groups, or using the group finder, should not have access to DPS meters and logs.
These tools are meant to help players improve. But in practice, that’s rarely how they’re used. I never see someone in a group finder say, “Let me check logs so I can help you get better.” Instead, logs are used as a gatekeeping tool, to judge, exclude, and kick players.
The same goes for DPS sharing. Rather than encouraging learning or teamwork, it creates pressure, comparison, and blame. People focus more on numbers than on actually playing well together. (HA builds as exemple)
Because of that, these tools end up being a major source of toxicity. They shift the focus from cooperation and enjoyment to performance policing and elitism.
If the goal is to make the experience better for the majority of players, especially in casual environments, then limiting or removing access to DPS logs and meters in those contexts would go a long way toward reducing unnecessary negativity.
EDIT:
If you don’t like my opinion, that’s fine, live with it. Just like I have to live with a game where players with zero DPS feel entitled to kick others simply because they have access to DPS meters.
They use logs to create toxicity, not to improve and at the same time, they wouldn’t last a second in any serious endgame push group. They’re not competitive players… just casuals pretending numbers make them experts.
Athory
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Re: Next New Zone?
Really stoked to be seeing Winterhold and potentially The Pale.
Other than that, the things that didn't make OP's list that I'd love to see:
Jehanna and the Western Reach
Blacklight/Velothi Highlands
Alabaster
Helgen/Falkreath Hold/Pale Pass
Other than that, the things that didn't make OP's list that I'd love to see:
Jehanna and the Western Reach
Blacklight/Velothi Highlands
Alabaster
Helgen/Falkreath Hold/Pale Pass
Re: Challenge difficulty is so much fun
ESO_player123 wrote: »randconfig wrote: »Honestly, there is only one way this challenge difficulty thing is going to work without separate instances:
Mark players and foes in vestige difficulty with an icon, and force any lower difficulty player into that difficulty the moment they join the combat. Do not let them grief and ruin my experience or the experience of my friends.
Otherwise, at least give us a pass on violating the ToS when we inevitably get into verbal fights with griefing players lol.
And why should the lower difficulty players be punished by being forced into a difficulty they did not sign up for?
They could simply avoid the fight if it were marked. Why should the higher difficulty players be punished by being forced into a difficulty they did not sign up for?
Re: Challenge difficulty is so much fun
Honestly, there is only one way this challenge difficulty thing is going to work without separate instances:
Mark players and foes in vestige difficulty with an icon, and force any lower difficulty player into that difficulty the moment they join the combat. Do not let them grief and ruin my experience or the experience of my friends.
Otherwise, at least give us a pass on violating the ToS when we inevitably get into verbal fights with griefing players lol.
Mark players and foes in vestige difficulty with an icon, and force any lower difficulty player into that difficulty the moment they join the combat. Do not let them grief and ruin my experience or the experience of my friends.
Otherwise, at least give us a pass on violating the ToS when we inevitably get into verbal fights with griefing players lol.
