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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »I am a ten year player who has all but quit PvP. I still do play it and I dont even know why (I am PvP too). The more I see what's happening there, the more disgusted I become. It is no longer PvP. It is Skill Line vs Skill line (Subclassing disaster). It is cherry picking without rules or consequences. It is an absolute out of control meta (in PvE too). It is out of control cherry picked buffs. It is out of control dps (In PvE too). It is a 1 shot stop for new players. It is a neon sign that says 'This is not in any way fun or fair whatsoever" Nearly everyone I game with has for one reason or another quit and there are many. I think this number is growing. I think the developers know this and can see it.
I think there are certain limitations to what they (the developers) can do. There is also a lot of time required to undertake changes such as a new PvP area. This game has far outlasted its original PvP design and I have no doubt there are unintended consequences involved in this on the developer side. This isn't entirely their fault. It would not be this bad if they removed Subclassing either (which is the same thing as enforcing rules on the developer side).
It is far far beyond time to stop nerfing our characters and gear. Or changing them after the fact to suit PvP. Or attempting to sabotage characters before they're even created or released to accommodate PvP. This has only and will only continue to drive players away and discourage new players from engaging in it.
Every time something new and fun comes out, here comes the hammer from PvP. Or the misuse of its intended purpose (exploit). This, everything is about dps coming out of there. 'Just a few more dps and PvP will be ok' - It will not (And that's true in PvE too). People have had enough of it. I am one of many of those. Continuing to repeat the same problematic things is not going to solve the problem. Continuing to cater to the same people who called for it to be this way is not the answer. ***The developers need to halt what is going on there and start implementing and establishing and reestablishing rules. That they (the developers) decide. And enforce them.
Vengeance is a very good thing. I have and will continue to play it. If it is available, my guilds will play it too. There are RULES involved. There is actually SKILL involved, not just builds.
@ModeratelyFM- They may have to give up on GH because its unworkable for various reasons. I believe this to be out of their control due to system constraints. ***As far as the PEOPLE in GH I do not think they will hang this population out to dry.*** I do believe what they said about a new PvP area. I would rather see them just finally separate PvP and PvE entirely if this broken (cutrent) state must continue. That is, any and all PvE sets cause you to deal 0 damage and have 0 resistances in PvP. They could still tailor the skills to be PvE only but again, if that's happening, its not really our characters in there anyway.
I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but we differ on our opinions on Vengeance. I was just in it last night and it was straight up boring and frustrating. I HAVE enjoyed Vengeance in the past - when all 3 alliances were 3 barred in there and we were having 300 vs 300 vs 300 player battles for just a single keep for 3-4 hours straight, getting 3, 4, and 500k D Ticks. But it hasn't been like that on XBOX NA since the first Vengeance on Xbox. And it has made it a really boring and frustrating experience overall, mainly because there is always one alliance that outnumbers the others and they ALWAYS win. In there, numbers count for everything. They can have more seige than you, they can have more damage output collectively than you, and not that healers matter in there, but to the extent that there are healers running, they have more healing output than you due to raw numbers. Individual player skill doesn't really factor into it at all anymore.
I don't think Vengeance is the answer. But I agree with you in that I think for the betterment of the game, they're going to have to start dialing back a lot of things, re-establishing deterrance for stuff like glitch exploits (I am SO sick of getting hit with shield tosses and getting locked down for no reason), and maybe embrace a rock-paper-scissors style balancing scheme where every class has innate weaknesses to some classes, and innate advantages vs. other classes. I'm not just talking that they match up well vs one class and poorly vs. another, but there should be built in damage modifiers so that one class takes more damage when the damage source is from Class X, and they deal more damage to a class when facing Class Y. This would REALLY make it where there is no superman so to speak, where a player or group of players can hide weaknesses through a clever build.
FYI Arcanists / beamers: U50 Class Mastery + Crux Counter Noise
Leaving this here for anyone using Crux Counter addon –
If you keep hearing a high-pitched clash-type sound every few seconds when your crux is not spent, this is the culprit:,
I think it's due to Class Mastery > Fate Realigned refreshing your crux to max. I never noticed this sound before in Live gameplay so it wasn't immediately clear what was causing it. Not truly a bug, just an option that becomes really annoying with this new CM feature.
If you keep hearing a high-pitched clash-type sound every few seconds when your crux is not spent, this is the culprit:,
I think it's due to Class Mastery > Fate Realigned refreshing your crux to max. I never noticed this sound before in Live gameplay so it wasn't immediately clear what was causing it. Not truly a bug, just an option that becomes really annoying with this new CM feature.
MoonPile
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Re: Malevolent Promise… Don’t think I didn’t notice
What I dont understand is this…
Why they didn’t just take the risk week 1 and if some crazy synergy were to happen, then they would have weeks to then fine tune it?
“Monsters Only” and “While Battle Spirit is Active” are both end-all options and should only be used in the most serious of context, not casually thrown around on passives for classes known to be struggling.
To continue on this, separating abilities and gear between PvP and PvE, rather than adjusting stats to make builds viable in both, just adds to the confusion new players have with why they are getting blown up in PvP, or unable to get into a group in PvE.
It’s incredibly unhealthy for the game, and I said it back when Maw of Lorkhaj brought Aegis and Slayer and instead of hearing me, we got Halls of Fabrication— a trial with zero incentive for PvP players to enter… and again when Bahsei came out with Monster’s Only, such restrictions truly have no place in ESO.
Why they didn’t just take the risk week 1 and if some crazy synergy were to happen, then they would have weeks to then fine tune it?
“Monsters Only” and “While Battle Spirit is Active” are both end-all options and should only be used in the most serious of context, not casually thrown around on passives for classes known to be struggling.
To continue on this, separating abilities and gear between PvP and PvE, rather than adjusting stats to make builds viable in both, just adds to the confusion new players have with why they are getting blown up in PvP, or unable to get into a group in PvE.
It’s incredibly unhealthy for the game, and I said it back when Maw of Lorkhaj brought Aegis and Slayer and instead of hearing me, we got Halls of Fabrication— a trial with zero incentive for PvP players to enter… and again when Bahsei came out with Monster’s Only, such restrictions truly have no place in ESO.
Radiate77
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Re: Inventory is Excessive Micro-Management
I hate to say it, but it's tedious by design. Zenimax (as in the company, not ZOS proper) did the same thing with Fallout 76. Create problems and sell the solutions.
Inventory is purposefully wretched and awful to compel you to get ESO+, at which point it becomes exceedingly friendly and nice. It's all on purpose. To get you to buy the solution to the problem that ZOS made to sell you the solution. It's on purpose, baby.
You're right. It sucks to not be a subscriber. It's meant to suck. Nothing for it.
Personally, the only reason I pay an annual subscription fee is for the unlimited crafting bag and extra bank spaces. If they made inventory not suck without the subscription, I would literally unsubscribe. Most of us would. The value proposition for subscribing has been stripped down to the crafting bag over the years, and ZOS knows it. They ain't fixing anything because, for them, it's not broken.
Inventory is purposefully wretched and awful to compel you to get ESO+, at which point it becomes exceedingly friendly and nice. It's all on purpose. To get you to buy the solution to the problem that ZOS made to sell you the solution. It's on purpose, baby.
You're right. It sucks to not be a subscriber. It's meant to suck. Nothing for it.
Personally, the only reason I pay an annual subscription fee is for the unlimited crafting bag and extra bank spaces. If they made inventory not suck without the subscription, I would literally unsubscribe. Most of us would. The value proposition for subscribing has been stripped down to the crafting bag over the years, and ZOS knows it. They ain't fixing anything because, for them, it's not broken.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Vengeance Campaign
New on the forums, but not new to ESO, so chiming in here to say that:
1. I actually actively like Vengeance and this is why: technically I'm a PC player*, but I play the PC build of ESO on a Steam Deck. I've tried to participate in fights in Gray Host and the Deck _cannot handle it_. The times I've tried to jump in on fights there, even just to throw heals around, there's so much going on that within a minute or two I typically get thrown right off the server. I never have a chance to actually do much at all and that's not fun. By contrast, the last time Vengeance was up, I was actively able to participate, and that was _fun_. I'm looking forward to doing it again.
2. That said: I don't want Gray Host to go away either, or Blackreach. Gray Host is near and dear to too many players' hearts. But like Kelinmiriel further up the thread (she and I are in the same guild actually), I appreciate having a campaign available that isn't alliance-locked. I like being able to get in there with any of my characters if all I want to do is spend some time quietly repairing keeps.
So in short, if at all possible, I'd love to see Gray Host, Blackreach, and Vengeance be the final combo.
* I also play the Mac build of ESO since my laptop is a MacBook Pro. But the times I've tried to go into Cyrodiil on my Mac, I've had only slightly better results in Gray Host than I do playing on the Deck.
1. I actually actively like Vengeance and this is why: technically I'm a PC player*, but I play the PC build of ESO on a Steam Deck. I've tried to participate in fights in Gray Host and the Deck _cannot handle it_. The times I've tried to jump in on fights there, even just to throw heals around, there's so much going on that within a minute or two I typically get thrown right off the server. I never have a chance to actually do much at all and that's not fun. By contrast, the last time Vengeance was up, I was actively able to participate, and that was _fun_. I'm looking forward to doing it again.
2. That said: I don't want Gray Host to go away either, or Blackreach. Gray Host is near and dear to too many players' hearts. But like Kelinmiriel further up the thread (she and I are in the same guild actually), I appreciate having a campaign available that isn't alliance-locked. I like being able to get in there with any of my characters if all I want to do is spend some time quietly repairing keeps.
So in short, if at all possible, I'd love to see Gray Host, Blackreach, and Vengeance be the final combo.
* I also play the Mac build of ESO since my laptop is a MacBook Pro. But the times I've tried to go into Cyrodiil on my Mac, I've had only slightly better results in Gray Host than I do playing on the Deck.
Re: Challenge System is Impacting Standard Game Play
licenturion wrote: »I can tolerate the system but it is way too specific. I thought the previous system of daily login and easy daily and weekly better. Those usually took up 3-5 minutes of my time. Now I feel in the beginning of the week I am doing so much busywork to get it over with that I am burned out for the rest of the week
I see all these posts "wow, the game feels so alive again'. But is it? Everyone funnels to the same 8 spots, puts a 5 minute timer on their phone, watch some YouTube or scroll a bit, click once, kill world boss. Reset timer...repeat 5 or more times. Very boring compared to what we had before.
Those challenges should be way way less specific. They got it right with golden pursuit with "complete 5 dungeons' or kill 20 world bosses. The way it is now is boring and I am more waiting than playing the game.
Then there are the 'kill 1000+ of XXX' that last a month. I know you have a whole season, but ESO has been ramming into peoples head to complete everything as fast as possible. So, the other day I even changed my built to so I could steal as many easy crab kills from a distance from other players to get it done more quickly while the other part was farmed in a random +boss group while I was cooking. And yesterday I did the kill 100 bosses in Blessed Crucible at the part where there spawn 4 werewolf bosses, kill 3, jump in lava to die and repeat a few times to get that out of the way. And now I am burned out for the rest of the week and went back to Starfield.
And all of this is grinding is just to unlock the pages that have endeavors and trade bars on them. I don't get it. People used to complain that they were burned out with event. Now it feels like the game is constant having 20 events and they love it.
A game friend and I did many public dungeons, a couple delves, and a few group dungeons and still haven't finished the 100 boss challenge. The public dungeons took so long because there was a couple of high-level players that ran, really ran, from boss to boss to boss and never slowed to kill mobs. We would go through a hall and it would be empty, then suddenly crowds of foes run past us to return to their start. It was a lot of waiting. Which allows me to think there must be a better way.
I think changing where we play is not the good answer.
I also think playing a different game is not a good solution.
The development team suggested that instancing is too complicated for the number of dungeons.
I think a better solution would be use more general challenges rather than kill a this world boss or that.
Thank you for an honest response that is polite. Sometimes it feels difficult to speak well when we are passionate about something.
shadoza
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Re: Challenge System is Impacting Standard Game Play
As has been mentioned though, if you’re turning the game into a job, it’s gonna feel like a job. So don’t.
Remember: the free track of Tomes has 20k points worth of stuff to earn. That’s it. Any points you earn over 20k are unnecessary and will just get thrown out at the end of the season. For Premium, you have a few more things to buy, but then you also don’t lose the Tome and can keep buying things from it later.
I did a quick off-the-cuff calculation based on last week having 6500 Points, and that was after the season was live about 10 days. At 6500 points in 10 days, that means I’ll have around 58,500 points at the end. That’s over 30k points that are going straight into the trash.
For anyone who plays regularly, you will throw away more Points than you can possibly use. So… why do you need to maximize your gains or get it as fast as possible? Are you not throwing things away fast enough?
Remember: the free track of Tomes has 20k points worth of stuff to earn. That’s it. Any points you earn over 20k are unnecessary and will just get thrown out at the end of the season. For Premium, you have a few more things to buy, but then you also don’t lose the Tome and can keep buying things from it later.
I did a quick off-the-cuff calculation based on last week having 6500 Points, and that was after the season was live about 10 days. At 6500 points in 10 days, that means I’ll have around 58,500 points at the end. That’s over 30k points that are going straight into the trash.
For anyone who plays regularly, you will throw away more Points than you can possibly use. So… why do you need to maximize your gains or get it as fast as possible? Are you not throwing things away fast enough?
Re: Challenge System is Impacting Standard Game Play
twisttop138 wrote: »I guess if you're putting on a timer to farm WBs, it would seem like work. Or feel like you have to get it done as fast as possible. Idk why you'd do that to yourself but not everyone plays the same as I do.
For me challenges is like a chore list at home or at work. I usually want to get it done asap so I can move on and do the stuff I like.
This week I tried a different approach that is more tolerable. Since I work at home I tried to reroll challenges so I have all arena and bosses and duplicates. I put a 5 minute timer on my phone and do my work on my laptop in the meantime. That way I get stuff done within 30 minutes for the whole week and can play the game the way I like in the evening. Still, I hope they change it to be more like "kill 20 bosses/Do 8 dungeons/etc'.
I am not the only doing this because when my timer reaches the 4:50 mark everyone starts spamming AOE attacks to get a hitpoint on the boss.
Re: Why is Naj-Caldeesh so grossly overtuned in normal?
twisttop138 wrote: »Um. You realize that the power creep isn't free, right? ZOS didn't press a button to magically make everyone's attacks do X% more damage. You have to do things to claim that power. You need to subclass. You need to update your gear. You need to make sure you have a proper build. If you don't do any of that, if you are still running a pureclass mag NB with False God and Mother's Sorrow like it's 2019, then you will still be doing damage like it's 2019 and there's been absolutely zero power creep for you (actually, there's been a slight power nerf).twisttop138 wrote: »There should 100% be challenging content for people that can't or don't want to do vet. It's the newest dlc dungeon and we're in the era where dps are doing crazy numbers.
The people who are "doing crazy numbers" are keeping up with the meta. They're reading build guides, updating their gear, playing around with subclassing, and... wait, are you sure that these are people who "can't or don't want to do vet"? Because people who do that don't belong in normals in the first place.
You have no idea what kind of people normal content is actually supposed to target. They're people who play casually, who don't update their builds, and who put skills on because it sounds nice, not because they read a guide. Or maybe they're experienced players, but leveling a character with a RND, so that character doesn't yet have a proper gear and skills. Or maybe a new player who hasn't collected the gear and is still wearing a mish-mash of stuff that they found and who doesn't know that this specific dungeon is newer and harder than the others they've seen.
If people want a challenge, that's why vet and vet HM exists.
For the record, I'm the kind of person who only does DLC dungeons on vet HM. Normals (and even regular vet) are not intended for me, so why would I want to have normal difficulty jacked out of the comfort zone for people that normals are actually intended for?I dunno, "out of line with expectations" sounds like a good reason to me.twisttop138 wrote: »You can make the argument that it's harder than other dlc dungeons, sure. Agreed. But there is no reason to nerf it.
(I do want to clarify, though, that I don't completely fault ZOS for the poor balance of normal Naj. The kinds of people who test new DLC dungeons on PTS are probably not the kind of people who the normal mode is intended for, so I feel like normal doesn't get much testing and feedback as a result. Personally, all the feedback that I gave during PTS was for vet HM and I never set foot in normal until well after the live release.)
To be fair to your point, maybe I don't know what kind of people it's for. Unfortunately I haven't experienced a problem in Naj, even on under geared toons that I was leveling up. Maybe that's where game knowledge comes into play, to make up for it. Knowledge of the mechanics. You also make a good point. The people testing dungeons and trials on the pts are very much not your every day player. It just gets tiring to always see I couldn't do this so nerf it. I also find my challenge in vet and hm, but not everyone does. I would also argue that someone who enjoys having a build or looks at a guide isn't a casual player and should be in vet or hard mode. Idk though. Maybe Im wrong on this one.
code2^16 explained quite nicely all those different categories who might end up in normal dungeons. Actually, got me pinned exactly, too. I'm in that category "experienced players, but leveling a character with a RND, so that character doesn't yet have a proper gear and skills." (Or I might be low on transmutes.)
But yeah, the expectation is that in normal dungeons in a random group, players are not necessarily experienced. It's great when the other 3 are veterans looking for transmutes, too. But most of the time that is not the case. If you were to compare nN-C to some other dungeon, what would that be? Any other normal dungeon? No? That is the point of this thread.
I would compare nN-C to some easier new DLC dungeon's standard veteran. Like Exiled Redoubt or Oathsworn Pit on veteran are quite on par with normal Naj-Caldeesh. That's the issue. I like the challenge, you like the challenge, code likes the challenge, and that's why there's veteran and veteran hard modes for us. But many newer players may not enjoy the difficulty. More casual players may not enjoy. That's why normal difficulty exists and the normal difficulty should be consistent. Sure, slightly difficult for newer dungeons but not that much more difficult that it starts to compare to veteran dungeons.
This thread was never about "I couldn't do this so nerf it" and more about "everything else on normal difficulty is completed with normal effort, except this one dungeon where you have to put veteran effort into so players keep leaving the group and the dungeon so now no one can complete it."
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Fully agree with coop500's comments on the two-legged running animation, it was greatly improved! I was actively avoiding its prior version but enjoy the updated one. The forward lean and the new arm position set up a very fluid visual transition to the four-legged fast run/sprint animation and back.
Also, the Slaughter synergy prompt seems to appear and trigger much more reliably than before. The patch notes don't mention any changes to it, so maybe the difference is due to terrain or other factors? (It was finicky in overland Greenshade and Bangkorai, but is very responsive in Hew's Bane overland today).
Also, the Slaughter synergy prompt seems to appear and trigger much more reliably than before. The patch notes don't mention any changes to it, so maybe the difference is due to terrain or other factors? (It was finicky in overland Greenshade and Bangkorai, but is very responsive in Hew's Bane overland today).
Xarico
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