Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

The more I think about it, I think the dissonance that I’m feeling is that there already exists a case where another class can exceed the movement speed cap without having to gap close onto a targeted enemy.(sorc w streak).

Any player with a gap closer can generally stay on on a streaking sorc for a little bit of time before resources run out, that is not unique to werewolf.

But in a pure foot race without the use of a gap closer requiring a target, no other build would come close to a max speed + streak build.

So when I think about that case, I think that there reasonably might be other cases where there would be justifiable similar treatment, and I think werewolf is such a case.

If ZOS has factored this into the sorc / stormcalling “power budget” and has conscious reasoning behind this then I accept it. But if not, then I’m just highlighting this balance difference.

Players have been complaining about Sorcerer/Streak since the beginning without understanding the reason Sorcerer is so dependent on that ability or the aspect of needing to out-speed the other classes in PvP.

Keeping distance has been Sorcerers entire defensive design and balance since the games beginning, it's why:
- the pets (matriarch especially) have a long cast time to summon them, can be killed and take 2 bar slots
- dark exchange has a cast time and gives so much sustain
- the class has shields instead of heals as it's main form of "healing" and "blocking"

Unfortunately most ESO players don't care about these balancing aspects to Sorcerer, they only see Streak and just default to complaining about the entire class being OP when the entire class was designed around streak and is actually extremely underpowered (both offensively and defensively) when the ability to keep distance is removed from the equation (which is also why CC and gap closers have always been hard counters to sorcerer because it removes the capability to create that needed distance).

Dracane wrote: »

NxJoeyD wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

My initial impression was that the class masteries are too weak, then I doubted a bit when some started saying they are broken, but I am also back to thinking they are not enough. There was a wow effect for a few day, yet when considering everything and leaving aside unintended interactions, none of the masteries are good enough to seriously compete with subclassing at least as far as pvp is concerned.

And it seems I am far from alone in my thinking.

You're not wrong. I didn't test every class, I figured there were enough mains to cover them all .. but when I looked at Sorc I saw the same thing you are.

People sometimes forget that there's an opportunity cost for choices we make in game. It's one thing to say X or Y Class Mastery passive is "good", in a vacuum .. but when one looks at those passives versus Subclassing that's where things fall short. There's no Class Mastery passive that I'm seeing that's going to present a sweeter opportunity than being able to slot a Merciless Resolve or Fatecarver or Shalks or Surprise Attack.

These Mastery passives, from what I understand, are supposed to be a partial class enhancement to hold us over whilst the Devs work on the class refreshes; then seeing the Mastery passives adjusted as each class is re-worked for balance.

These current Mastery passives aren't delivering the type of power or flexibility that Subclassing does, full stop.

It doesn't matter whether it's PvE or PvP, Subclassing just delivers too much and if the only restrictions Subclassed builds have are these weak passives it's going to be a hard sell convincing people to stick with a pure base class build versus subbing.

I don't doubt some people are seeing an increase in power by using the Class Mastery passives now than the power they were seeing before, BUT, that doesn't mean that the power they were outputting before the Mastery passives was anywhere near on par with the potential of what's out there; either for PvP or PvE.

Thank you. You said this all well.
The strongest of the class masteries is not universally strong enough to replace the things subclassing does. And they don't necessarily have to at this moment in time. As long as it's not griefing to play pure Templar, Sorc etc. until their reworks, then I am also glad.

I just say this because I hope ZoS do not nerf any of them so soon only because there was some hype around them for a few days. The next update could genuinly be one of the most exciting ESO patches in recent memory. That is if things don't release butchered and balanced to death.

It's so boring how everything Sorc gets are fix values, because they are afraid to give them anything that scales. Surge > fix heal value unaffected by stats. Dark Deal the same, and the previous iteration of Conservation of Energy too was a fix value.
It's tiresome when nothing scales.

Agreed .. I don't believe these passives should take any class into "near-meta" territory but they should seek to deliver class-only elevations to either power or utility, whatever the class is missing. This way these pure class options have a greater potential to be competitive with subclassed builds.

Sorc IMO has always been a tricky class for the Devs. To start, the class has two widely disparagingly play style paths between pet-based and non-pet-based. This is further compounded by mechanics. The fundamental mechanics behind how Sorc skills execute their functions are so poorly optimized that it's almost laughable; this includes excessively long animations or even the AI behind how Sorc pets behave, to even the method of requiring opponents to stand-in-stupid easy to avoid skills that yield no results. It's not always about numbers it's also about method and function.

Sorcs biggest deficiency is raw power and, IMO, that's what these passives need to bring but the values they give are just too low, especially in the context of our poor skills. ... What's a 20% temporary increase in damage if I can run a persistent 17% AND have access to Subbed skills? .. Or equip Beacon of Oblivion and cop a 15% bonus to damage PLUS whatever else from Subclassed passives AND have access to better skills? For Sorcs this is really a no brainer, these passives just don't deliver.

It sounds like the other classes are in the same boat with these passives based on what others are posting. I don't think these passives is really going to encourage anyone to go with a base class unless these passives are tweaked to hit HARD. .. And that shouldn't be an issue because the values and scope of them can always be adjusted down during the class refreshes anyway.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the new Dynamic Encounters System. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

How would you describe yourself as a player? (Examples: Casual quester? High end trial runner?)
I am a solo runner that does group events when my friends are up for it. I am not a groupie. I do not play casually but I do not play PvP in this game or group. I take my gaming seriously and do not use outside sources or min/max to complete content. I rely on gaming skills not gimmicks.

Which event did you join?
There was no joining to the event. I was running cross country on a quest and the event happened upon me. It was the Event in Glenumbra. Save a vampire killer and do something with the relics. I was not looking to complete the encounter as I do not enjoy working group content alone.

Where you able to complete the event?
Alone? No.

Did you understand the event objectives?
Only what the game threw at me during the event. Keep the hunter from dying.

How many players were in the event with you?
None. As stated I just wandered into the area, fought a wolf that followed me, then took out a foe that attacked me and suddenly the event is telling me to do this and that. Another player arrived just after the hunter died. They were not happy.
This event is flawed as it assumes that someone wandering into the area and hitting something is wanting to participate. If one of the objectives is protect something and that one individual moves on, the whole event is ruined for those still moving toward the event. In this case, there should be a tag-in mechanism so encounter is activated on purpose rather than on passing.

Did you enjoy the activities in the event?
No. I do not enjoy group content on most occasions.

Did the challenge and reward of the event feel appropriate?
What reward?

Any general feedback?
My opinion ==> This game does not need more group events. Some, if not most, players don't mind group content if it is their choice, but when development attempts to force group play, they don't like it. Dynamic Encounters needs to be activated so one passing soul does not incidentally start a group event where there is no group available.

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This already happens on Live, just with the roles flipped, and has been this way ever since the game launched. Someone might be doing a WB or a boss in a Public Dungeon and then suddenly a stronger player can come along and nuke that enemy in two hits.

They already acknowledged this point in the Week 1 Update thread. As for making Delves and Public Dungeons instanced? There are over 150 Delves I believe and if I counted right 38 Public Dungeons, making all of those instanced for anyone above Adventurer mode would still take a LOT of resources that could be better spent elsewhere.