I’ve played on both Xbox NA and PC NA. I definitely think there was a cultural difference between the two. However, so many people from Xbox NA already switched to PC so it hardly makes a difference now. They’ll blend just fine.

The Xbox crowd tended to skew younger while the PC crowd seemed to skew a bit older in my experience.

In PvE there was a way different raiding culture on Xbox vs PC mostly due to Xbox not having logs and add ons back when I played. Basically on Xbox, it was harder to tell who was actually a good DPS and who wasn’t. Dummy parses weren’t a good gauge.

Eventually the sweatier teams required everyone to stream the run, but before that it was all kind of vibes based. Sometimes if a team didn’t like someone, they’d assume that they were a bad DPS. On the flip side sometimes the loud and cocky types were assumed to be good DPS even if they weren’t. Getting on teams was much more about who you knew.

I remember how fast some of the Xbox players I switched with fled from PC as soon as their damage started showing up in logs and add ons. The PC raiding community was much more numbers and log focused. It was also more mature and more chill imo.

Anyway, TLDR, I think the main difference between the two came from the age skew and the lack of add ons that Xbox used to have. Now that it has add ons, I would imagine that the raiding community became more like the PC raiding community, but I don’t know for sure.

Crossplay will be good for the game overall. I don’t think there’s a reason to worry and the community will adjust just fine. Now that all platforms have add ons there should be less of a gap anyway.

I would still love to see ZOS' take on the Levitation mounts from Rift.

For the voriplasm mount can we ride inside it like the wine bottle in the Vineyard Voriplasm pet? The mount animation would be it slurping you up, then you would float inside as you travel about and then it spits you out to dismount. Then it would melt into the ground and disappear.

Also I’d like an Echatere mount, it could even be a multi-person mount.

There are so many reason that people use AI and in most cases this will likely be to workout how to make a point or to determine tone of the post that may not be in someone's first or even second language.

I think mods need to be aware of the potential use to create argumentative responses quickly, but negative/unnecessarily argumentative/baiting are equally possible without AI, so where those posts fall into those categories they should be dealt with according to rules to do with that and not exclude AI.

If you think it's bad here, you should try going through job applications, anyone that thinks AI makes a good job of creating tailored content is sorely mistaken.

I think a lot of things can be true at the same time - yet everyones posts tend to be "this" or "that".

After reading an insane amount of responses the bulk of what I'm seeing is this.

People who like Vengence:
- Mainly self described "casuals" or "medicore" players
- Dislike for "bombers", "ball groups", "tower humpers", "burst combos"
- Enjoy the "zerg" aspect of it
- Little lag
- Larger player count
- Simplified "builds"

People who dislike Vengence:
- No theory crafting or "build" options
- Dislike the "zergs only" aspect of it
- Way too "simplified"
- Little mention of ball groups (pro or anti)
- Overall consider it a "cheese" version of PvP

Here is my "both can be true" take:

First, and most importantly IMO, PVP in MMOs is supposed to be hard. There are simply players who are better than me and will kick my butt everytime I run into them - that is just a fact. I know there are people who if I try to 1v1 them I'll get dominated everytime - and that is perfectly fine and healthy for a game. Having a skill gap forces me to want to improve, look at logs and figure out were my weakness is, etc. It's the same as hardcore trial groups who min/man the crap out of things.

With that being said, not everyone is like me - and that is okay too. There are people in my friend group who are coming into cyrodiil right now for the first time and are having a rough go at it. The barrier to entry to GH is a bit too difficult at the moment and I applaude ZoS for trying to make it easier. Vengence is a great campaign for an U50/"heres how you PvP" but that is where it stops. For the core audince its strongly disliked. I wrote an extremly lengthy post in the feedback thread covering some of those reasons.. you can read it here if you'd like (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8464907/#Comment_8464907)

GH has the zergs, the smallman fights, the permablock tanks, the tower humpers, the ball groups, etc - vengence has pretty much one thing - 200+ person zergs. You allienate the overwhelming majority of player types to cater to one core group - casuals - are casuals going to show up every night and keep the campaign alive - I don't know that answer but I have a hunch on what it is....and I think a lot of other people doo as well.

Anyways, back to my both things can be true comment.

GH in general needs a hard balance pass.. and followed up balance passes.

I say this as someone who ran in ball groups for many many years - they are too damn OP at the moment. They need to be tuned down significantly. EVERY MMO that has successful PvP has ball groups in some shame/form so ZoS would be fooling themself if they tried to eliminate them - and honestly for a 10+ year old game why would you want to push away any paying customer you have (yes ball groups buy things on the crown store/sub).

We also need to work on the tower humpers a bit but they aren't as big of a problem as ball groups. Pull sets in lag is a really big problem that hasn't been fixed, shield stacking, heal stacking (good change there zos keep this mindset up), etc are good places to start.

You can absolutley have a GH that has zergs, ball groups, small man fights all over the map, tower humpers doing their thing, etc, without having to gut the entire PvP experience that we have come to know and love.

Peoples opinions on what makes a good mode, IMO, are warped too much from ball groups in their current form and not from a "what if we nerfed ball groups a bit and balanced things out a bit" perspective.

Last point: When your core PvP player base, who has stuck with you through years and years even after feeling neglected or disrespect from certain studio members, takes a week off instead of playing a test where they can provide feedback/shape the future of the mode they love.... you know you've got a bigger problem and have missed the mark entirely.

/end rambling