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Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
I think this is the plan: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8437020/#Comment_8437020
@MincMincMinc wrote:Again in order zos needs to target
- Stop resetting MMR
- Implement skill based MMR to make matches more fair, a KDA system would be fine to start. This takes out an exponential factor making team balance seem broken.
- Then look into team balancing methods like evaluating which accounts play support or healer based on average previous match healing/assist values. Preventing one team from having players going 20/0 while the other team is all 0/20.
- Then look into map/gamemode changes like lowering the spawn walls to prevent teams from getting spawn camped. Change spawns to be at ground level with a defensive turret mechanic (slaughterfish for the enemy team)
- Then look into gametype changes like bringing back 2 team+3 team. Things like chaos ball seemed to work better in 3 team because it was harder to camp at your own spawn with the ball. Things like capture the flag works better on 2 team because a third party cant just run flags while the other teams fought.
- Eventually a bracketed rank system like Bronze/Silver/Gold could lay the groundwork for achievements and replay-ability driving players to participate and learn to rank up.
The thing is you really shouldn't be making these changes out of order. You could waste all your time trying to make gamemode changes like how spawns work, but then if MMR gets fixed down the line players may hate that change because its nolonger needed or people simply play differently when matches are more fair.
Re: I need help choosing a class in PvP
For the most part with the remaining classes your choice is between two Single Target classes, Sorc and NB, and two AoE Classes, Templar and Warden. Arcanist leans AoE, but I wouldn't pick Arc for Our Fake PVP unless you really want to, it's a bit difficult to make shine. The Real PVPers might do Arc better if you wanna try and get into West Point to learn from them. 🤭
Overall Warden is the next best class after the outrageously and absurdly OP - for now - DK, even without the Charm that we all hope is soon deleted. Warden still has the single best healing skill and the single best damage skill, pretty sure, in Polar Wind and Deep Fissure.
Warden is also the thematic counterpart to DK, with many of the same general underlying mechanics. So if you have experience on DK but want to try something else that doesn't make you look like an exploiter, and you have a bad taste left in your mouth from errant Blastbones running off to disintegrate in failure, try the class with the superior ranged delayed burst AoE.
Try Warden.
Overall Warden is the next best class after the outrageously and absurdly OP - for now - DK, even without the Charm that we all hope is soon deleted. Warden still has the single best healing skill and the single best damage skill, pretty sure, in Polar Wind and Deep Fissure.
Warden is also the thematic counterpart to DK, with many of the same general underlying mechanics. So if you have experience on DK but want to try something else that doesn't make you look like an exploiter, and you have a bad taste left in your mouth from errant Blastbones running off to disintegrate in failure, try the class with the superior ranged delayed burst AoE.
Try Warden.
Re: SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
On EU PC it currently has all factions at 2 or 3 bars.
Sylosi
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Re: Why Soloed Dungeons are forbidden in the new Golden Pursuit??
I'm going to put on my horn-rimmed glasses (with obligatory tape) and break out the "well, actually..." for this. No, you do not need to be in an active group to complete those "while grouped" dungeons. Get a friend or guildie to group with you and then go solo whatever you want to go solo. As long as neither of you enters another group, leaves the group, or enters a solo instance of something, then you're grouped as far as the pursuit is concerned. It's not checking for multiple players in the dungeon, only that the player is grouped. I've used that to good effect during events which "encourage" grouping.
For a two-fer, do the pledge dungeons (get the pledge first, though). Actually, that's a three-fer because the pledge counts as a quest and there is a pursuit for that, too.
For a two-fer, do the pledge dungeons (get the pledge first, though). Actually, that's a three-fer because the pledge counts as a quest and there is a pursuit for that, too.
empower nerf
Heavy attack builds are already weak. My Oakensoull build has near 90k dps and Rakkhat one has 120k, but it has much more difficult rotation than a beam build with the same DPS range.
So, standart requirement for vet trials is 90k dps. And with the next patch simple Oakensoul version of my heavy attack buiild will be below the treshhold. The Rackhat build probably not, but it is already not worth to use.
I tested only Oakensoul version:
Race: Dunmer
All points to magic
Mundus: Thief
Food: Witchmother's Potent Brew
Class: Warden, only use Animal Companions skilline
Subclassing skilllines: Asassination and Aediric Spear (for passives)
Active skills:
Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Wild Guardian form Animal Companions
Concealed Weapon (for speed boost) and Merciless Resolve from Assassination
Banner from scribing (Magic damage + Cavalier's charge + Heroism)
Blue CP:
Weapons expert (of course), Exploiter (cliffracer sets targets of ballance), Master-at-Arms (direct damage), Fighting Finess (more crit damage)
Red CP:
Boundless Vitality, Fortified, Slippery, Celerity
Sets:
Oakensoul Ring (weapon damage enchantment)
Slimecraw Epaulets (divine, magic enchantment)
Sergeant's Mail: body (divine, magic enchantment), lightning staff (precise, weapon damage enchantment), necklace (infused, weapon damage enchantment), ring (bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchantment)
Highland Sentinel (crafted set, all divine with magic enchantment): medium legs, light head, hands, sash, feets
Live server 91k dps:
PTS: 84k dps:
So, this type of builds already has low damage, even with subclassing and scribing. Currently it is not even close to the meta. Why have you decided to nerf already weak builds? You continue to add powerfull channeled skills, both updated "classes" (Dragonknight and Werewolf) have them. And such playstyle requires almost the same reaction/skill level as heavy attack builds, but you boost beam-like builds and nerf heavy attacks. I honestly don't understand your intentions.
So, standart requirement for vet trials is 90k dps. And with the next patch simple Oakensoul version of my heavy attack buiild will be below the treshhold. The Rackhat build probably not, but it is already not worth to use.
I tested only Oakensoul version:
Race: Dunmer
All points to magic
Mundus: Thief
Food: Witchmother's Potent Brew
Class: Warden, only use Animal Companions skilline
Subclassing skilllines: Asassination and Aediric Spear (for passives)
Active skills:
Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Wild Guardian form Animal Companions
Concealed Weapon (for speed boost) and Merciless Resolve from Assassination
Banner from scribing (Magic damage + Cavalier's charge + Heroism)
Blue CP:
Weapons expert (of course), Exploiter (cliffracer sets targets of ballance), Master-at-Arms (direct damage), Fighting Finess (more crit damage)
Red CP:
Boundless Vitality, Fortified, Slippery, Celerity
Sets:
Oakensoul Ring (weapon damage enchantment)
Slimecraw Epaulets (divine, magic enchantment)
Sergeant's Mail: body (divine, magic enchantment), lightning staff (precise, weapon damage enchantment), necklace (infused, weapon damage enchantment), ring (bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchantment)
Highland Sentinel (crafted set, all divine with magic enchantment): medium legs, light head, hands, sash, feets
Live server 91k dps:
PTS: 84k dps:
So, this type of builds already has low damage, even with subclassing and scribing. Currently it is not even close to the meta. Why have you decided to nerf already weak builds? You continue to add powerfull channeled skills, both updated "classes" (Dragonknight and Werewolf) have them. And such playstyle requires almost the same reaction/skill level as heavy attack builds, but you boost beam-like builds and nerf heavy attacks. I honestly don't understand your intentions.
Sercisil
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Re: Let us Devour our Companions (or use other corpse abilities on them)
As a werewolf from 2015, I am not going to even try doing that to my companions. However I don't discrimate against free meat in pvp either friend or foe...
Re: Vengeance Test #4 Feedback Thread
NikkoDarwin wrote: »Sorry but Unless you are EP, we cannot test anything. EP are just zerging the map. 24/7 allowing nothing for the other alliances. This should be alliance locked to stop this rubbish. It is not fun, Cannot test like you want us. Its just rubbish.
I think it would be better if Vengeance used the Battlegrounds teams (Storm Lords vs Pit Daemons vs Fire Drakes) and automatically shuffled people between teams to keep the populations balanced.
Either that, or intentionally lowering the population cap. Or adjusting the population cap on a per-team basis to not allow more than x% people on a team compared to the current population of the other two teams.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
The other thing I think people are missing is just on live, even if a "zerg" comes anywhere close you can normally deal with it. But thats usually because on live a zerg guild is usually 24 players and rarely more, which you can just streak and walk away from at 200% movement speed. When back in the old day or in vengeance the dynamic makes most zerg groups upwards of 50-100 players sometimes more which will just run you down if you are not specifically built for speed sustain.
There's also the question of do we really rather ballgroups vs zergs holding control over the map? As an old 1vX smallman player I would much rather these 100man zergs running along the transitus. Then I can focus on pulling smaller groups off to the side or to resources. Its dumb to go stand in the middle of a transitus getting run over by 100 people and complaining "its just zergs"......Uh yeah thats how a 900 player server is like, there is going to be large groups. If I ran my old ballgroup even I would prefer zergs being an overwhelming force, its the only way they stay involved in the campaign and helps prevent population collapse.
That being said, veng doesn't have the right build elements in it to get build diversity to the point where we can tailor for specific content. I would much rather change the perk+loadout stat bonuses into a vengeance UI based stickerbook gear system. This way you can unlock veng gear and then drag and drop it onto your veng character which would be saved when you exit/enter pvp. This way we get the best of all worlds where we can make it quick and easy for players to jump in and out to play without hours of QoL issues sorting gear and messing up their pve loadouts. Start off with simple noproc gear and then SLOWLY introduce good performative proc stat sets like clever alch, avoiding sets with absurd proc conditions and over complications. Personally i think for pvp health you are better off sticking away from sets like viper that do an off GCD skill automatically for you, which can also cloud the visuals of pvp with overblown VFX.
There's also the question of do we really rather ballgroups vs zergs holding control over the map? As an old 1vX smallman player I would much rather these 100man zergs running along the transitus. Then I can focus on pulling smaller groups off to the side or to resources. Its dumb to go stand in the middle of a transitus getting run over by 100 people and complaining "its just zergs"......Uh yeah thats how a 900 player server is like, there is going to be large groups. If I ran my old ballgroup even I would prefer zergs being an overwhelming force, its the only way they stay involved in the campaign and helps prevent population collapse.
That being said, veng doesn't have the right build elements in it to get build diversity to the point where we can tailor for specific content. I would much rather change the perk+loadout stat bonuses into a vengeance UI based stickerbook gear system. This way you can unlock veng gear and then drag and drop it onto your veng character which would be saved when you exit/enter pvp. This way we get the best of all worlds where we can make it quick and easy for players to jump in and out to play without hours of QoL issues sorting gear and messing up their pve loadouts. Start off with simple noproc gear and then SLOWLY introduce good performative proc stat sets like clever alch, avoiding sets with absurd proc conditions and over complications. Personally i think for pvp health you are better off sticking away from sets like viper that do an off GCD skill automatically for you, which can also cloud the visuals of pvp with overblown VFX.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
My initial impression was that the class masteries are too weak, then I doubted a bit when some started saying they are broken, but I am also back to thinking they are not enough. There was a wow effect for a few day, yet when considering everything and leaving aside unintended interactions, none of the masteries are good enough to seriously compete with subclassing at least as far as pvp is concerned.
And it seems I am far from alone in my thinking.
And it seems I am far from alone in my thinking.
Dracane
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Re: empower nerf
PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »Yeah it's a 20% nerf to HA on those parses. It's a bigger nerf on voidmantle builds, probably near 30% on the top ones.
There have been a number of posts about this and all we got as a response is a very noncommital post from kevin that they've seen the posts. I'm hoping there's an empower buff on Monday otherwise I don't expect them to do anything.
Watch, they'll say they wanna push it to live to collect data, then never update it again like everything else
