spartaxoxo wrote: »

Nah. Nobody should need to be an expert to start having fun. It should be fun instantly. Vengeance will offer that to newer and casual players.

No credible PvP game tells people they need to do extensive research before playing and neither should ZOS. This mode is long overdue.

There's a reason this game's PvP had dwindled down to unprofitable and unsustainable playerbase full of small tiny percentage of veterans. It frankly might already be too little too late but they're finally addressing long standing complaints in a way that offers players meaningful choices.

I'm not thrilled with the current balance of vengeance but they're taking steps in the right direction. I also look forward to the addition of the smaller version to cut down on horse riding simulator.

Firstly, every mmo imaginable requires you get gear and level up, learn builds etc to pvp with experienced end game players.

There isn't a single example that goes outside of this, in a successful model. Even again elden ring, which is way more competitive and skill based, requires sometimes you make full playthroughs to get the best gear to fight the sweatiest people. World of Warcraft is an even bigger learning curve and requires even more time invested to participate competitively there.

Secondly this isn't specifically a pvp game, this is again, an mmo. Getting gear, leveling skills etc is the bread and butter of the game, this isn't Halo, this isnt arc raiders, pub g etc, and in those cases you lose gear after you die in truly pvp centric games like that.

Finally, the only reason pvp lost players is because the Game lost players, mostly due to subclassing. After the DK refresh, GH was pushing covid day numbers in the last campaign and the score ended like this:



The reality isnt matching your narrative. By 5 on a weekday people were already locked out of the campaign and had to queue

Again if you were to go to hardcore trial groups and say hey i want your cool mounts and furnishings etc and I dont wanna have to grind for the gear required to perform well enough to earn my spot in the group to get them, you're gonna have a bad time, or be paying gold for the carry.

Don't forget that new players need roles to learn how group composition works in the game. Just throwing 4 newbies together in a normal run without any composition is a terrible idea.

Some dungeons need supports even on norm. Also it would be awful to get an "oops all tanks" or "oops all healers" run in a norm. I may have a dps and healer spec saved in the armory but I doubt most players do, especially on alts (heck I don't even have it on my alts right now).

I love and respect 'the holy trinity', tank dds and healer.

Since we got the OP Arcanist the group balance in dungeons changed drastically. As a healer myself I see a lot of beamers running ahead of everyone in a dungeon as if they are playing solo. No respect for the tank, no waiting for the newbie who might be picking up their quest. It's a total lack of consideration for anyone else in the group.

There are achievements for no death speed runs and i often wonder if it all started there...players trying to speed run everything.

I don't know what the answer to this is but im old school and i would hate it if all 3 roles became morphed into one solo type build for everyone in group content. Seems like so many players want to change eso into some other game.

As a healer that plays with her tank hubby this post really upsets me cos it makes me feel that we are bejng made redundant. I already encourage my partner ( who recently returned to eso)to hurry up in dungeons when he tanks so the dds dont run ahead of him when we do our random dailies.
We are very grateful for IA and the dungeons we can do together sometimes without other players cos at least we get to enjoy the game without speeding all the time.

I do need to add that there are many considerate players we have been fortunate enough to group with that have been a pleasure to play with. They move at a steady pace and are considerate of others in the group..they allow the tank to do the pulls and dont play as if they are soloing the dungeon.


I cant change people so i adjust, adapt and accept but i do pray that eso doesnt change to the point where it's a game i no longer recognise. Im very dedicated to this game and yes we needed some fresh changes and i have welcomed them all thus far but lets keep the 3 roles as they are thank you.