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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
My initial impression was that the class masteries are too weak, then I doubted a bit when some started saying they are broken, but I am also back to thinking they are not enough. There was a wow effect for a few day, yet when considering everything and leaving aside unintended interactions, none of the masteries are good enough to seriously compete with subclassing at least as far as pvp is concerned.
And it seems I am far from alone in my thinking.
You're not wrong. I didn't test every class, I figured there were enough mains to cover them all .. but when I looked at Sorc I saw the same thing you are.
People sometimes forget that there's an opportunity cost for choices we make in game. It's one thing to say X or Y Class Mastery passive is "good", in a vacuum .. but when one looks at those passives versus Subclassing that's where things fall short. There's no Class Mastery passive that I'm seeing that's going to present a sweeter opportunity than being able to slot a Merciless Resolve or Fatecarver or Shalks or Surprise Attack.
These Mastery passives, from what I understand, are supposed to be a partial class enhancement to hold us over whilst the Devs work on the class refreshes; then seeing the Mastery passives adjusted as each class is re-worked for balance.
These current Mastery passives aren't delivering the type of power or flexibility that Subclassing does, full stop.
It doesn't matter whether it's PvE or PvP, Subclassing just delivers too much and if the only restrictions Subclassed builds have are these weak passives it's going to be a hard sell convincing people to stick with a pure base class build versus subbing.
I don't doubt some people are seeing an increase in power by using the Class Mastery passives now than the power they were seeing before, BUT, that doesn't mean that the power they were outputting before the Mastery passives was anywhere near on par with the potential of what's out there; either for PvP or PvE.
Thank you. You said this all well.
The strongest of the class masteries is not universally strong enough to replace the things subclassing does. And they don't necessarily have to at this moment in time. As long as it's not griefing to play pure Templar, Sorc etc. until their reworks, then I am also glad.
I just say this because I hope ZoS do not nerf any of them so soon only because there was some hype around them for a few days. The next update could genuinly be one of the most exciting ESO patches in recent memory. That is if things don't release butchered and balanced to death.
It's so boring how everything Sorc gets are fix values, because they are afraid to give them anything that scales. Surge > fix heal value unaffected by stats. Dark Deal the same, and the previous iteration of Conservation of Energy too was a fix value.
It's tiresome when nothing scales.
Dracane
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Re: Sustain and Pure Class Masteries
Not to discount what you are saying, just pointing out that Conservation of Energy is Sorc's reward for using that god awful Dark Magic skilline by relieving you of the need to use them. Doesn't change that you have one dead or at best niche skilline that could be replaced with a powerful subclassed line. So this passive should be powerful indeed.
And as for Dragonknight, I believe this is just the new standard they want to set. Werewolf also has no sustain issues.
And as for Dragonknight, I believe this is just the new standard they want to set. Werewolf also has no sustain issues.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
This post is for Nightblade
Did Class Mastery help in providing a meaningful boost to power for playing as a solo class?
DPS - Not really. I've had a magblade siphoning build since forever, and prolly one of like two people on live actually wearing soulcleaver. This build sucks on live, and it sucks on the pts. I'm lucky to get 55k, whereas my new dk is nearly double this.
Healer - yes, the mastery improved my pure class nb healer, but I don't think it is enough to justify pure class. As a baseline, I've been siphon/shadow/ardent flame. Share the spoils is nice, giving 250 mag+stam + 1 ult to 4 ppl, but every 4 seconds makes it worse than minor heroism (1 per 1.5 sec) which I get from the dk line. double this and we'll talk. Above and beyond is interesting boosting all crit heals by 15% with higher max. I'd rather have better group buffs vs larger heals. Nocturnal Inspiration is interesting, seems to generate a lot of ultimate for me, which is kinda nice, but sets like pillagers have a long enough cooldown (45 seconds) leveraging this ulti gain for me into more power for my group doesnt seem doable. I can get a lot of warhorns tho, which is something. Make share the Spoils into something really good, least make it 4 ult per 4 sec for 6 ppl so it is slightly better than minor heroism.
Tank - as a baseline, I've been siphon/shadow/winters embrace since subclassing came out. Winter's Embrace gives me 8% extra block, passive major maim, and a huge emergency heal that also effects an external person. Slotting assassination over winters embrace effectively gives me little since crit is such a low priority for tanks. I get nothing in this tree for survivability, and no real utility outside of a low proc rate on hemorrhage for my group mates. What does Mastery get me? Share the Spoils is nice since I'm a siphon tank, great sustain boost for my team, ulti not as good as minor heroism. The only other choice which seems viable is Cutthroat's Focus. I like that this activates on any nightblade ability so it will proc on either siphoning attacks or dark cloak, meaning it will be up frequently, and it is an unnamed 5% damage buff. I'll give this a maybe. Is this better than Winter's Embrace, no. for me, raising the resource sustain including ultimate by double would be a good move and tacking a small group-wide heal onto Share the Spoils would also be nice. Otherwise, there is no point in not subclassing for now. Another thing that would be nice is a morph of teleport strike which applies both maim and breach, taunts and does no damage.
Do you feel this system helps in allowing for more player agency in a post subclassing play environment?
Absolutely.
What are the things you like about Class Mastery?
Flexibility and that you included valid choices for all roles. I'd like to see more healer and tank support options to pick from.
What places do you think could use improvement with Class Mastery?
Nightblade passives seem weak compared to Warden and DK choices.
Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?
Good idea, nice way to balance out things without having to screw with underlying fundamentals.
Did Class Mastery help in providing a meaningful boost to power for playing as a solo class?
DPS - Not really. I've had a magblade siphoning build since forever, and prolly one of like two people on live actually wearing soulcleaver. This build sucks on live, and it sucks on the pts. I'm lucky to get 55k, whereas my new dk is nearly double this.
Healer - yes, the mastery improved my pure class nb healer, but I don't think it is enough to justify pure class. As a baseline, I've been siphon/shadow/ardent flame. Share the spoils is nice, giving 250 mag+stam + 1 ult to 4 ppl, but every 4 seconds makes it worse than minor heroism (1 per 1.5 sec) which I get from the dk line. double this and we'll talk. Above and beyond is interesting boosting all crit heals by 15% with higher max. I'd rather have better group buffs vs larger heals. Nocturnal Inspiration is interesting, seems to generate a lot of ultimate for me, which is kinda nice, but sets like pillagers have a long enough cooldown (45 seconds) leveraging this ulti gain for me into more power for my group doesnt seem doable. I can get a lot of warhorns tho, which is something. Make share the Spoils into something really good, least make it 4 ult per 4 sec for 6 ppl so it is slightly better than minor heroism.
Tank - as a baseline, I've been siphon/shadow/winters embrace since subclassing came out. Winter's Embrace gives me 8% extra block, passive major maim, and a huge emergency heal that also effects an external person. Slotting assassination over winters embrace effectively gives me little since crit is such a low priority for tanks. I get nothing in this tree for survivability, and no real utility outside of a low proc rate on hemorrhage for my group mates. What does Mastery get me? Share the Spoils is nice since I'm a siphon tank, great sustain boost for my team, ulti not as good as minor heroism. The only other choice which seems viable is Cutthroat's Focus. I like that this activates on any nightblade ability so it will proc on either siphoning attacks or dark cloak, meaning it will be up frequently, and it is an unnamed 5% damage buff. I'll give this a maybe. Is this better than Winter's Embrace, no. for me, raising the resource sustain including ultimate by double would be a good move and tacking a small group-wide heal onto Share the Spoils would also be nice. Otherwise, there is no point in not subclassing for now. Another thing that would be nice is a morph of teleport strike which applies both maim and breach, taunts and does no damage.
Do you feel this system helps in allowing for more player agency in a post subclassing play environment?
Absolutely.
What are the things you like about Class Mastery?
Flexibility and that you included valid choices for all roles. I'd like to see more healer and tank support options to pick from.
What places do you think could use improvement with Class Mastery?
Nightblade passives seem weak compared to Warden and DK choices.
Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?
Good idea, nice way to balance out things without having to screw with underlying fundamentals.
Aydh
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Re: Why Soloed Dungeons are forbidden in the new Golden Pursuit??
What is it? NOT EVEN WITH A COMPANION?
What the heck is wrong with soloing dungeons? By any chance ZOS has now a "Therapeutic Department" trying to "cure" the loneliness of solo players?
To group with a bunch of toxic, impatient, selfish players is MANDATORY to finish the quests? Maybe ZOS has the illusion that every ESO player is surrounded by BFFs playing happily together?
Every time something completely BONKERS happen in this game that makes me completely lost.
What a mess. This really makes me sad.
It's preperation for the Night Market - a group orientated zone. /shrug
Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
I'll provide the necessary materials.
Some of the matches below were impossible to win, but most were impossible to lose.
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Haki_7
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Re: Golden Pursuit 'Prepare for the Night Market'
If it comes down to the Nightmarket effectively not being playable solo, I will not be participating. I have plenty of houses I never use already. There is plenty of content in other games I can play instead. I am sure that is what ZOS wants me to do, go play other games instead of theirs. Their choice, I will be entertained either way.
Considering it was basically impossible to solo on the PTS, then yeeeeah.
Some apex people will try to claim otherwise, and the devs did claim they will make it a tiny TINY bit easier, but we don't yet know what that looks like.
my PC account is my sub account as i main PSN and using it in the night market solo wasnt an issue at all ... cp 1500 , none meta gear , was able to kill mobs and mini bosses , was able to run around freely doing quest , and had no issue killing a main / big boss with the help of 1 other solo player involved in the fight ... so to say its impossible is wrong as my 2800 cp meta gear main should beable to do everything with ease , since my sub account thats weaker was able to handle it as well as it did
Re: Golden Pursuit 'Prepare for the Night Market'
I defeated 3 world bosses in Deshaan:
- Short Tusk (counted as 4)
- Abomination (counted as 2)
- Bramblebatch (finished the pursuit)
My best guess is that it counted the other players there, not per se the ones you are grouped with.
- Short Tusk (counted as 4)
- Abomination (counted as 2)
- Bramblebatch (finished the pursuit)
My best guess is that it counted the other players there, not per se the ones you are grouped with.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
I've never chased meta, don't rely on proc sets that help me get kills and have almost always been a hybrid dk on my main. I had a blast the first couple of Vengeance campaigns. Got the closest I'll probably ever be to being Empress, especially the one before they reintroduced Emp, I was #1 several days (ngl, still a bit salty about that because by the time the next one came around and Emp was active again, there just weren't enough people participating for AD and we would get stomped every day. And before anyone says switch alliances, I am and will always be AD for life, FTQ!!). Yesterday and today the whole map has been dominated by DC on PSNA. It's completely unbalanced population wise and it's just not fun at all anymore.
Re: Should 4v4v4 (3 Teams) Battleground mode become permanent again?
4v4v4s are definitely more balanced, there's no doubt about it. There's next to no spawn camping, and the team RNG is better because good and bad players are split between 3 teams rather than 2. 8v8s encourage too much spawn camping and zerging resulting in very unbalanced games the majority of the time, though they can be fun when you get the rare balanced match. Really the only thing the 2 sided BGs have going for it are the maps. They're designed well and don't have any environmental hazards outside of the 4v4 maps. I will say the 3 sided BGs have too many maps with fall damage hazards or falling off the side of the map from cheap javelin spammers. I would like to see new 4v4v4 maps be made that are similar to the 8v8 maps.
Estin
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Re: Can we please have some "down time"?
spartaxoxo wrote: »Well, for me, cosmetics actually are a big part of how I enjoy the roleplaying aspects. Like I wore my Stirk Fellowship motif during the Writhing Wall event and as I quested in Solstice. During "her down time," where the quests didn't have anything to do with the Fellowship, I wore tropical cosmetics.
So those currencies and the like do play a part in how I conceive of my characters roleplay as well. I also have houses that have various narrative purposes. Like it's actually my Bastian that owns the castle in Blackwood not my character. In my roleplay he got it after reconnecting with his sister.
It's nice that that makes partaking in the chores worthwhile for you, but I personally have collected so many cosmetics over the past 10 years that I have the feeling that I basically have everything I need. I have no clue how many mounts, pets and costumes I have (plus the huge outfit system where I know most styles because I do master crafting writs), but I really don't have the feeling that my characters need another 100 mounts, or costumes, or pets, or whatever (there are some very specific things that would fit some of my characters perfectly, and if those ever appear in the store or as a chore reward, I'll be going for those. But mostly, it's just not it. I have no druid character, so I don't need a druid costume; I have no pirate, so I don't need what clearly looks like a pirate costume, etc. And that's fine - other people might have exactly that character and will be happy with exactly that costume). Sometimes an endeavour might have something interesting, then I participate, but most often I don't have the feeling I need that reward. So there's not exactly a motivation to do that stuff. Which means no FOMO or stress - but nothing meaningful to do, either.
I definitely feel that. I got around it by themeing my character after the latest content or hunting for things for my companion. But, they didn't even release a companion this year and the content is pretty light this year. I'm currently happy with tomes and excited to try the vault and night market. But, after that, idk what I'm even going to do. I've already soloed the dungeon they're releasing as the content next.
After Update 50 is done, I may end up just buying the following tome with my plus tokens and then instead of doing it take a break. That is one reason that I like the tomes are permanent in this game.
