Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Why does that werewolf look like it is from Cyberpunk? Is there a version without the glowing markings?

The glowing markings depend on the morph:
The unmorphed version has no markings


Berserker is the red eyes and claw marks


and Pack Leader has a green Hircine logo on the chest


There are also the three base colors (black, white, and ashen) which currently work as they do normally where the morph dictates the fur color. However, the Stonefalls Dynamic encounter drops fragments (1, 5, 10 for black, ashen, white) that you can consume to unlock the colors as skill styles and then you get whichever color you choose.

The pics above are all with the Ashen style. Here are the other two:

wish come true...

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

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They offered double ap for vengeance only alongside greyhost and people still flocked to greyhost... No amount of meaningless titles or the like would get people to move over, and offering rewards like cosmetics and developing the campaign people right now dont wanna play would only ostracize and push more returning players out yet again.

Trying to force customers to like something vs improving upon what they already like is the worst business strategy possible.

What forum goers don't understand overall, because these players don't typically go to the forums, is that most pvpers come from other games like WoW where the actual gameplay and combat is more important to them than anything else. The game mode that gives them the most build diversity and complexity will always win out over what is simple and available to everyone to access out the jump.
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And a bigger point on that is, if the social aspect was the most important thing, more pvpers would be doing PVE, as PvE is a far bigger social pool than PVP ever could be.

1. So according to you, AP and rewards are not the main motivator for the majority of pvp players. I agree. People who hate pvp will never be enticed no matter how much cosmetics and dyes and AP are offered.
2. ZOS is not forcing customers into Vengeance. They offer incentives to play vengeance. When they're tired of supporting a service, they can disconnect it. Just like how no one forces you to use any kind of software if a dev gets tired of maintaining it. As a customer, you can play or not play. Pretty simple.
3. "Most PvPers come from other games like WoW where actual gameplay and combat is more important than anything else"? Very bold statement. I highly doubt this is the case, but okay. Gameplay and combat mechanics are different from build diversity/gear complexity.
4. "If the social aspect was the most important thing, more PvPers would be doing PvE." These don't logically connect.

Let's just take a look at the minute-to-minute gameplay of Greyhost:

"This. Logged in last night during prime time, 60+ queue, 3 bars across all alliances and the map was so *** dead. No one doing a single thing. Maybe a resource flagged here and there but it felt like people would log in and just go afk on purpose. I stuck around for a hour and dipped, lol"

"When I logged on to PCNA in grayhost on AD, I’d just sit there and talk to people in zone chat. No reason to actually try anything when a Zerg attempts to take a keep and you and 3 other people show up to try to defend."

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/s/Tl5LHIkd1h

Greyhost is failing to provide meaningful combat for the average player. So why do people still queue in? Socializing and afking is what the majority of players do in Greyhost. This is not a bad thing. Human beings are social creatures, you can't force them to unsocialize in a multiplayer game, and realistically speaking, people need breaks and cannot be battling 24/7. It makes more sense for ZOS to lean into the socialization aspect and make grouping and coordination easier and more meaningful, and implement underdog bonuses to address population imbalances and entice participation. They cannot reach a critical population in Greyhost anymore, so they have to switch to Vengeance.

LunaFlora wrote: »

they are doing that.
the January 7 livestream showed Guild Housing on a list as a thing coming in the future.

https://youtu.be/Bg3gcsstoXk?is=F3tlIlOJAK-suEEv

My bad, works been a bit busy lately so I haven't had the time to catch up on the streams 😅

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

And people also wised up to the tactics that we had to use to make vengeance fun and worthwhile. We used to lure people into Resource Tower battles to farm them with a combination of stuns and oils. Or lure people into fighting in battles were you could impact the battle using seige. But people have wised up to those tactics and have figured out how to avoid them, and without the ability to have coordinated pulls to kill groups of players, there isn't really any counterplay beyond that. So the game mode is also extremely limited, and overall, not as fun as the first Vengeance experience.

This post caught my eye.

Translated: Vengeance was fun when we could gank,grief and farm new solo PvP players trying out the new mode with our seasoned PvP veteran group (probably in Discord voice chat too). But those players either left PvP quickly again or avoid us all together. So now we no longer have fun, so Vengeance development should be dropped entirely.

A lot of anti-vengeance posts usually sound exactly the same if you read between the lines.

That said; they should keep everything there is now and run Vengeance along side it. That way people can keep playing the things they enjoy already and new players, casual players and people who like a more balanced and monitored playground can get converted to regular PvP players. That won’t happen if they get invisible group shotted 5 times a row when they try PvP for the first time.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

licenturion wrote: »

If there is one thing all ESO players seem to love, it is rewards and filling up progress bars. Even if they don't love the activity.

Veterancy are exactly these two things combined. So when Vengeance officially launches it will be super popular at least until people have all the rewards they want. Battlegrounds will probably also see an uptake of players grinding it out.

It sympathise with those who prefer the legacy GH experience. They should just run those two together during tests IMO because they will both exist in the future as well. That makes it actually a real test.

They did run both the last test. I wonder why they don't this time? Surely not because Vengeance was dead the last time you had an option.

They straight up said the main goal is to get Vengeance to pop cap because the test this time is that they increased target limits on AoEs and really need Cyrodiil to be maxed.

I am a little nervous about what happens when U50 drops though. They're going to give us Vengeance and Grey Host as the two options, and they have their own pop caps (900 and 360, or 300/120 per alliance). They did say that they'd see if another campaign was needed, but they implied that was if we had something like both Campaigns at cap and a long queue... but I think it'll be a bit more likely that GH could have a long queue while Vengeance is still at two bars. Would they consider another standard campaign if there is demand for more standard campaigns? Especially with this mysterious 'mid-size' Cyro-esque zone they've mentioned will come this year?

Also, GH is faction-locked. That means that for players who have more than one alliance, they will need to choose which alliance they're playing on for that month, and their only Cyrodiil option for other alliances would then be Vengeance. Is "you are not able to play with your friends in Cyrodiil" really a good idea?

And what is ZOS offering us in return for doing their "testing" for them?

Ya, their offer is to potentially permanently remove normal live Cyrodiil PvP from the game.

I've never heard of a company offering a worse benefit for helping them out.

So nobody should participate in vengeance, ever, for any reason. Ever. Vengeance is an exercise in self destruction for both players and company.

randconfig wrote: »

A simple fix would be to allow an exception to corpse generation outside of combat for Bone Armor, thus we can then cast a single tether ability before going into combat, making the rotation headache so much better. Also, increase duration of Necromancer summons/buffs/tethers/etc to be more than 30 seconds, it's insane this needs to be said/complained about when it's standard for literally every other class.

While I wouldn't disagree with an increase in buff durations, one issue that was pointed out by another forum user in one of the many ''buff/fix Necro'' threads is that increasing the duration of Necro Pet skills leads to less Corpse generation. Changing for example Skeletal Mage from 20s to 60s would mean having to wait 60s before it generates a Corpse on death, and the same logic also applies to the Corpse that you can generate by precasting the skill after it has been active for half of its duration.

I think a better alternative to reduce buff micromanagement would be to simply give skills the ''while slotted on either bar'' functionality for stuff like Major Prophecy/Savagery or Sorcery/Brutality. We know that ZOS doesn't want too many Pets/Corpses at once because it strains the servers so I doubt that they would implement some kind of mechanic for the relevant skills that would allow them to generate multiple Corpses over their duration or something.