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Don't nerf crit resist
Do not nerf rallying cry until you have gutted crit dmg from pvp.
The set is being used, because it's the only option against crit dmg and it will remain the only option, since it's still the best backbar set even with the nerfs.
The set is being used, because it's the only option against crit dmg and it will remain the only option, since it's still the best backbar set even with the nerfs.
Wup_sa
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Did Class Mastery help in providing a meaningful boost to power for playing as a solo class?
Yes, pure classes are more competitive.
Do you feel this system helps in allowing for more player agency in a post subclassing play environment?
Yes, it increases the diversity of choices. Players can freely choose between subclasses and pure classes, and they have similar functions.
What are the things you like about Class Mastery?
It's clear that the development team has indeed optimized for the pain points of each class, which is excellent.
What places do you think could use improvement with Class Mastery?
The balance is still not perfect. For example, Sorc still lacks sources of penetration and critical damage (although we know Sorc will be refreshed at the end of this year, we still hope to provide penetration and critical damage in Class Mastery).
Allowing Dragoons to provide Major Berserk to the team further reduces the possibility of Sorc joining a team. In the next 6-8 months , Sorc may not be seen at all of trials, because Dragoons are a class that has already been refreshed and is considered advantageous, while Sorc was still an outdated class before the refresh.
Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?
It's a great attempt. Although there are still many details that need adjustment, the general direction is correct.
Yes, pure classes are more competitive.
Do you feel this system helps in allowing for more player agency in a post subclassing play environment?
Yes, it increases the diversity of choices. Players can freely choose between subclasses and pure classes, and they have similar functions.
What are the things you like about Class Mastery?
It's clear that the development team has indeed optimized for the pain points of each class, which is excellent.
What places do you think could use improvement with Class Mastery?
The balance is still not perfect. For example, Sorc still lacks sources of penetration and critical damage (although we know Sorc will be refreshed at the end of this year, we still hope to provide penetration and critical damage in Class Mastery).
Allowing Dragoons to provide Major Berserk to the team further reduces the possibility of Sorc joining a team. In the next 6-8 months , Sorc may not be seen at all of trials, because Dragoons are a class that has already been refreshed and is considered advantageous, while Sorc was still an outdated class before the refresh.
Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?
It's a great attempt. Although there are still many details that need adjustment, the general direction is correct.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Since DK is effectively a 2.5 class, they should get TWO masteries, whereas every other gimped, lagging class should chose THREE until their respective updates—whenever those occur as ostensibly warden has already missed its deadline. Continuing to pile power onto a class with such a clear delta ahead of the others is typical ZOS fumbling. Do better.
I had a similar thought. DK getting the same benefits in its current state seems dangerous.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I'm running warden (for minor tough proc and now-overtuned set for PvP which is similar damage wise to combining unfathomable darkness and essence thief in 1 set), sorc (stormcalling for passives), and burning light (templar skill line for passive).
Ah, so you aren't even utilizing the class mastery passives which are the entirety of what I was asking about in this thread, and what are responsible for the problematic DPS I am referencing.
Got it.
Nothing, and I mean nothing in there is giving such a blatant increase to werewolf that it isn't giving to certain pure classes.
The MOST problematic line (I Imagine) would be sorc and you could SIMPLY disable the offending damage passives (on werewolf) for THAT PARTICULAR class mastery line until the values are most-likely brought down during its rework... Even then we're talking about losing passives like BURNING LIGHT in that scenario and slapping on 1-2 defensive/pseudo-defensive skill lines to access what should be, at that point, should make those passives rather marginal.
Again, I have seen no evidence outside of your very biased Relequen parse detailing little to nothing about what is happening and the variables in your test (I, once again, am asking your for video proof... I may be exaggerating but I have asked for this very simple item to back up your claim upwards of 5-10 times now... you have the 'burden of proof' here and that screenshot missing heaps of context isn't it).
40k HP WW doing 10k dps without relequen over a 1.5 minute normal duel to a 34k phys/spell resist rallying cry player, who is using a disgusting amount of hots and defensive stuff to survive.
Missing 33% weapon damage from the passive assuming the bug reports about it are correct.
He was accidently not wearing one of his 5 piece sets here. This is 3x tfs, 2x rele, 5x savage.
Here's 10k dps to that same player sustained over 2 minutes 40 seconds, when he was actually wearing his 5p tfs.
Until you can provide a video instead of screenshot which is organically removing half of what you're running and all of what your opponent is running and doing gameplay-wise (you have not shown this OR the other spec you are claiming werewolf now 'doubles'), then I am not inclined to put full stock in this and neither should other players/the developers logically.
The math is there for parses and they are going counter to your point. The parses presented now running meta PvE sets, i.e. high DPS sets, and are lower than live beam builds... which pivots to you discussing the damage setup that does less damage than that (so the non-beam equivalent version of the ww 'dps' spec w/ dps morphs)... following that, you're then saying that this is somehow the most damage you've ever seen possible (again how is it more damage ever possible yet these PvE builds that are better do mathematically more than the highest end of reworked wolf??? and they exist now on live)---
and then- that it's doubling 'this other thing' (this 'generic', other, sweatlord meta-build) yet refuse to provide a video to prove 'this other thing' (other 'generic' build like mentioned) does 'x', and that opponent is using+doing 'y' (I legitimately have no idea what you're fighting on that CMX protections-wise for either this 'generic' spec you never provided ANY proof of OR the damage-specced wolf via a video, which is the point being made here).
I mean, has pure-class-passives Pyrebrand DK with maybe so vat and masters went on your radar yet (for the 'generic' parse)? Pyrebrand was a major complaint and they adjusted by removing crit... now it has the potential to do 300% more damage and NOT negatively affect your other DoTs at random AND pure-class DK is actually just generally competitive with meta subclassing while being the closest fit for your werewolf play style (high sustained pressure especially via DoTs although werewolf still lacks true burst that DK has).
*I tried to spell out all intrinsic meaning in parenthesis so little is up for interpretation
Anyhow, I'm tired of sounding like a broken record my friend so I will keep an eye out for substantiated proof from you or Yandere but right now you just don't have it.
But hey, if they do this on your behalf (b/c no one agreeing with you is citing anything other than your screenshot missing a metric ton of information) then that is yet another example of content creators 'strong arming' their way into changes (for any given game) they (content creators) want with little to no actual evidence through gameplay. Make of that what you will. (I suppose the argument then becomes 'is what the content creator saying speaking for the player base as a whole/at least the majority).
Wuuffyy
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Challenge Difficulty
Was the system easy to use?
Yes
Did you enjoy the system overall?
Yes
Did the risk feel appropriate for the reward?
Yes
What was the most challenging aspect of encounters?
Unpredictable oneshots
Any general feedback?
The Vestige difficulty level isn't particularly challenging overall. You can even play without any gear (no weapons, jewelry, or armor). Any of the three current channeling skills (Arcanist, DK, Werewolf) easily shreds mobs with 32k HP. Meanwhile, an active Crit Surge (which can be paired with Leeching Strikes) makes the character virtually immortal while channeling.
There are two main issues:
1) Slow mob attacks: it feels like they only attack once every 3 seconds or so. Most of the time, they die before they can even land a hit.
2) Oneshots: and this is the biggest problem. When the original mob damage was designed, no one anticipated a +600% modifier. As a result, some mobs deal 20k+. It’s not that the damage is too high, it’s just unpredictable. You sitting at half HP (19k/40k) thinking everything is fine, then get hit for 21k and insta flop. I still have some ideas how to play, even with that. Heavy dot build with damage shield spam, for example.
But generaly speaking: Vestige is fine. Maybe reduce damage to 90%.
Here’s a pic of a naked character with zero gear shredding a mob in 5 seconds on Vestige difficulty:
Yes
Did you enjoy the system overall?
Yes
Did the risk feel appropriate for the reward?
Yes
What was the most challenging aspect of encounters?
Unpredictable oneshots
Any general feedback?
The Vestige difficulty level isn't particularly challenging overall. You can even play without any gear (no weapons, jewelry, or armor). Any of the three current channeling skills (Arcanist, DK, Werewolf) easily shreds mobs with 32k HP. Meanwhile, an active Crit Surge (which can be paired with Leeching Strikes) makes the character virtually immortal while channeling.
There are two main issues:
1) Slow mob attacks: it feels like they only attack once every 3 seconds or so. Most of the time, they die before they can even land a hit.
2) Oneshots: and this is the biggest problem. When the original mob damage was designed, no one anticipated a +600% modifier. As a result, some mobs deal 20k+. It’s not that the damage is too high, it’s just unpredictable. You sitting at half HP (19k/40k) thinking everything is fine, then get hit for 21k and insta flop. I still have some ideas how to play, even with that. Heavy dot build with damage shield spam, for example.
But generaly speaking: Vestige is fine. Maybe reduce damage to 90%.
Here’s a pic of a naked character with zero gear shredding a mob in 5 seconds on Vestige difficulty:
mocap
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
For DK, the class mastery Lead From the Front grants Major Berserk, and basically makes sorcerer's unique ultimate in a trial setting useless. Why summon an atronach when you can get Standard of Might and Major Berserk from the same buff toon? I don't really like this because DK already has a unique group damage boosting ult. It's kinda the same thing where adding more sources of Major Vuln has made necro's ult less special.
For Templar, Judgment’s Brand is too restrictive. Obviously it incentivizes players to use the multi-hit jabs. Unless the tooltip is wrong, "damage done" increases apply to each hit, similar to the Draugurkin set. So any single hit spammable like Dark Flare is disadvantaged. Also the Templar-only skill condition means that Templar is pigeonholed to Templar only skills. No other class has such a skill restriction on their class masteries. Every other class gets all damage boosts that apply to the character itself. Either this mastery should be nerfed but applies to all damage, or the condition is changed, such as boosting magic and physical damage only, to open up other spammable options: e.g. weapon spammables like Traveling Knife, Uppercut, Focused Aim, Elemental Weapon, or even Radiant Destruction as a spammable (meme but why not?)
For Templar, Judgment’s Brand is too restrictive. Obviously it incentivizes players to use the multi-hit jabs. Unless the tooltip is wrong, "damage done" increases apply to each hit, similar to the Draugurkin set. So any single hit spammable like Dark Flare is disadvantaged. Also the Templar-only skill condition means that Templar is pigeonholed to Templar only skills. No other class has such a skill restriction on their class masteries. Every other class gets all damage boosts that apply to the character itself. Either this mastery should be nerfed but applies to all damage, or the condition is changed, such as boosting magic and physical damage only, to open up other spammable options: e.g. weapon spammables like Traveling Knife, Uppercut, Focused Aim, Elemental Weapon, or even Radiant Destruction as a spammable (meme but why not?)
Re: From Balance Issues to Overpriced Bundles: What Happened to ESO?
The sad thing is some players are daft enough to pay that much and reward the predatory pricing.
My mindset is always 'however pretty a thing is in ESO, I don't physically own it'. So if I quit or the game ends, I know I lose access to all the cosmetic stuff I've bought. It makes junk like these items very easy to resist
Unfortunately this nonsense will continue as long as it sells enough to justify the time creating said items.
My mindset is always 'however pretty a thing is in ESO, I don't physically own it'. So if I quit or the game ends, I know I lose access to all the cosmetic stuff I've bought. It makes junk like these items very easy to resist
Unfortunately this nonsense will continue as long as it sells enough to justify the time creating said items.
CalamityCat
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Re: A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
Ask yourself: why does all this toxicity happen? What are the main reasons behind it?
It’s easy to point at "toxic players," but that’s only part of the story. A lot of this behavior is shaped and amplified by the systems around us. Right now, performance tracking tools like DPS sharing and logs are available everywhere, to everyone, in every type of content. And that design choice has consequences.
When DPS is constantly visible, it stops being a learning tool and becomes a social ranking system. Numbers get taken out of context, reduced to "good" or "bad," and used to judge people instantly. Instead of encouraging improvement, it creates pressure, anxiety, and comparison especially in casual environments where players are still learning.
That feeds directly into gatekeeping. Raid leaders, and even random group finder groups, start setting unofficial barriers like "hit X DPS or don’t join." But here’s the problem: group finder is supposed to bring together random players with different skill levels. Turning it into a performance filter completely defeats its purpose.
And this is where it really stops making sense: why do 12 random players who don’t know each other, have no coordination, and no shared expectations, have access to detailed logs and real-time DPS data in a simple pug run? In that environment, those tools have almost no constructive value. You’re not analyzing optimized rotations or coordinated strategies. More often than not, the data gets used to single people out, blame them for wipes, or make them the target of jokes.
Logs and DPS meters absolutely have a place, but that place is organized, high-end content. In coordinated groups, they help teams refine strategies, optimize performance, and push difficult achievements.
But in pugs?
Honestly, these tools should be restricted. Logs and DPS visibility should only unlock after players complete high-end challenges like trifectas. At that level, players actively choose a performance-driven environment, and the data becomes meaningful. Before that point, it’s mostly noise and often harmful.
And this is where ZeniMax needs to step in
By allowing unrestricted DPS tracking in all content, ZOS created an environment where:
If the goal is a healthier community, the solution isn’t just punishing bad actors. It’s rethinking the systems that enable that behavior in the first place.
Because if everything revolves around numbers from the very start, the community will naturally become less patient, less welcoming, and more toxic. Maybe it’s time to shift the focus away from constant measurement — and back toward learning, cooperation, and actually enjoying the game.
It’s easy to point at "toxic players," but that’s only part of the story. A lot of this behavior is shaped and amplified by the systems around us. Right now, performance tracking tools like DPS sharing and logs are available everywhere, to everyone, in every type of content. And that design choice has consequences.
When DPS is constantly visible, it stops being a learning tool and becomes a social ranking system. Numbers get taken out of context, reduced to "good" or "bad," and used to judge people instantly. Instead of encouraging improvement, it creates pressure, anxiety, and comparison especially in casual environments where players are still learning.
That feeds directly into gatekeeping. Raid leaders, and even random group finder groups, start setting unofficial barriers like "hit X DPS or don’t join." But here’s the problem: group finder is supposed to bring together random players with different skill levels. Turning it into a performance filter completely defeats its purpose.
And this is where it really stops making sense: why do 12 random players who don’t know each other, have no coordination, and no shared expectations, have access to detailed logs and real-time DPS data in a simple pug run? In that environment, those tools have almost no constructive value. You’re not analyzing optimized rotations or coordinated strategies. More often than not, the data gets used to single people out, blame them for wipes, or make them the target of jokes.
Logs and DPS meters absolutely have a place, but that place is organized, high-end content. In coordinated groups, they help teams refine strategies, optimize performance, and push difficult achievements.
But in pugs?
- They do the opposite.
- They encourage snap judgments, reduce teamwork to a scoreboard, and create a culture where players are evaluated before they’re even given a chance to grow.
DPS sharing in pugs doesn’t teach. - It filters.
- It pressures.
- It excludes.
Honestly, these tools should be restricted. Logs and DPS visibility should only unlock after players complete high-end challenges like trifectas. At that level, players actively choose a performance-driven environment, and the data becomes meaningful. Before that point, it’s mostly noise and often harmful.
And this is where ZeniMax needs to step in
By allowing unrestricted DPS tracking in all content, ZOS created an environment where:
- Judgment is easy
- Exclusion is normalized
- Mockery is effortless
- Casual spaces feel hostile
If the goal is a healthier community, the solution isn’t just punishing bad actors. It’s rethinking the systems that enable that behavior in the first place.
Because if everything revolves around numbers from the very start, the community will naturally become less patient, less welcoming, and more toxic. Maybe it’s time to shift the focus away from constant measurement — and back toward learning, cooperation, and actually enjoying the game.
Athory
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A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
Most of us do our best to tolerate and understand toxic players and because of that we're really reluctant to 'out' people or report them -we know this game is an escape outlet for people and they need it. However, there are some communities where it is horrible to be due to perma banned players coming back on known new accounts and Zos turning a blind eye. And we're talking about seriously awful things behind those bans.
What this is resulting in is the victims of these people giving up on ESO and giving up on their friend communities.
I'd like to ask that Zos consider move to blocking the player, not the account. It's been asked before by many people but perhaps under new leadership, it's time to raise it again.
What this is resulting in is the victims of these people giving up on ESO and giving up on their friend communities.
I'd like to ask that Zos consider move to blocking the player, not the account. It's been asked before by many people but perhaps under new leadership, it's time to raise it again.
merevie
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Re: U50 Bug Reports for Class Mastery
Sorcerer.
The Conservation of Energy passive does not trigger from the Streak morph of Bolt Escape. The Ball of Lightning morph is fine.
The Conservation of Energy passive does not trigger from the Streak morph of Bolt Escape. The Ball of Lightning morph is fine.