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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
MashmalloMan wrote: »Static Reverberation:
I know changes are coming for this tomorrow (Mon Apr 27), but just wanted to chime in on how I hope to see it changed because this is a great opportunity to improve the quality of life in addition to lowering the DPS ceiling.
Very powerful for execute and PvE where you are bound to widdle enemies down to 1~33% for the high 66~100% chance, but in PvP this rarely happens because you never want to be below 80% HP for longer than a second. If you do reach 30% HP, you're usually already dead, to which this Mastery and the multi hit dot pressure playstyle it needs wouldn't do anything better than a regular build using popular executes like Executioner, Radiant Oppression, Whirling Blades, or even Mage's Wrath.
Aside from a dummy parse, this Mastery is underperforming and not worth it over the Conservation of Energy or Calculated Defense in PvP, and is certainly not better than Font of Power and the permanent upfront bonus it gives 100% of the time. I really don't see why anyone would bother with a dot playstyle and this Mastery especially when Purges are so popular.
NB has a similar issue with their Mastery which doesn't do anything upfront. The hard part is getting people low, not finishing the job, at least for NB they don't need to change their playstyle because it just provides raw stats.
Core changes:
- Base chance added: 25% chance to trigger at all times.
- Execute threshold lowered: 1% improved chance starts at 50% instead of 100% missing health.
Goal:
- Can be used much earlier in a fight with the base 25%, but doesn't improve until 50% or below HP meaning it will start stronger, then be weaker for the remainder of the fight in comparison.
- Lowers DPS potential by reducing maximum chance from 100% to 75%, this keeps the RNG alive and continues to promote multi hit playstyles rather than making all builds super strong below 20% HP like the original.
- Amplifies execute identity by improving beyond 50% instead of 100% HP.
In practice:
- Stronger: 100% HP = 25% instead of 0%.
- Equal: 75% HP = 25% equal to 25%.
- Weaker: 50% HP = 25% instead of 50%.
- Weaker: 25% HP = 50% instead of 75%.
- Weaker: 1% HP = 74% instead of 99%.
As you can see above, majority of the fight it'd be weaker, but it'd be more enjoyable to engage with overall by actually doing something at all stages of a fight. This type of balance with a base bonus + improved bonus based on missing HP is what I'm trying to illustrate and should also be applied to NB's Mastery.
The cooldown could even be adjusted from 0.2s to 0.3s to continue working with Bound Armaments, but reduce it's potency with Rapid Strikes (0.2s between each hit) allowing for some space for actual Sorc spammables or Force Pulse, that don't have so many ticks in a short time span. Hopefully in the future, abilities like Crystal Weapon, Frags, and Fury are adjusted to multi hit attacks to make this Mastery more appealing. It's currently really odd to have a pure class Mastery that performs best with out of class abilities.
Additionally a % cap could be considered; Maybe it starts at 10%, gains 1% per 1% missing HP, but caps at 70% by 40% HP.... or some combination of every suggestion I've made. Many ways to improve it.
Also... with these adjustments. Remove the pet penalty, it's not necessary. Majority of us want no pet Sorc to be competitive again, but we don't want to bury pet Sorc to do it. BOTH should be viable. Remove all these barriers like Beacon of Oblivion, this Mastery, and the Class Flourish. We all hate it.
Again, this all goes for NB's Mastery too, for example:
- Increases your W/S Damage by 400 and reduces your damage taken by 4%, both are increased by an additional 800 W/S Damage and 8% damage taken based on your target's missing health.
I agree here with Static needing to apply in combat sooner than it does.
It's absolutely useless in PvP and in PvE most enemies, besides bosses, are going to go down from the range at which this passive really starts having any real application chance that it's not worth it.
I like your progressive changes to the application chance and making it available sooner.
I would take this one step further and see the passive working more like the Bloodthirsty trait whereby as the chance to apply goes up as the target health goes down, so too does the damage scale upward, and significantly upward.
This is for two reasons:
1) even on lower health targets this passive is always a "chance" apply, not a guaranteed apply and even one tick or damage application that fails to chance the passive is a 1 GCD loss on passive damage potential so when this passive does apply it needs to apply hard
2) This passive has to be at least "in-the-ballpark" of effectiveness as a like or comparable passive, in this case, Burning Light. Since BL has no target proc restriction that means that it's able to stack and apply during the entirety of combat. Players who (smartly) stack damage instances will make full advantage of BL and see it applying stacks on targets relatively quickly. Even in PvP this is a viable passive that deals damage that will regularly show up on death recaps. .. The same goes for how well DKs can apply and scale Burning.
If Static as a Mastery passive can't keep up with the potential (output wise) as other classes base passives I don't see it getting slotted.
If they applied your suggestion to make the passive have a more reasonable application chance but also gave it a progressive scale like Bloodthirsty I think they might have something.
NxJoeyD
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Re: Inventory is Excessive Micro-Management
Elvenheart wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »To the OP, one option is to obtain a few more accounts at base game. Especially during sales, they can be pretty cheap. Get up to at least 10. Then start a guild with a bank. To me its worth the investment and takes the bite from not having plus.
If you do some searching on the forums, you’ll find out that when ZOS realizes all of those accounts are one player, they get closed down.
Edited to add: I only know that because the idea occurred to me too, but I wanted to be sure it would work before I invested the money and the time so I did the research.
This can't be right. Do you have any direct links to posts that explicitly say this? I've searched and didn't find anything, and even asked AI like you did and got a totally different response.
Frayton
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Re: Inventory is Excessive Micro-Management
Elvenheart wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »To the OP, one option is to obtain a few more accounts at base game. Especially during sales, they can be pretty cheap. Get up to at least 10. Then start a guild with a bank. To me its worth the investment and takes the bite from not having plus.
If you do some searching on the forums, you’ll find out that when ZOS realizes all of those accounts are one player, they get closed down.
Edited to add: I only know that because the idea occurred to me too, but I wanted to be sure it would work before I invested the money and the time so I did the research.
This can't be right. Do you have any direct links to posts that explicitly say this? I've searched and didn't find anything, and even asked AI like you did and got a totally different response.
I’m thinking you may be correct, it may be if people do this when they offer free accounts is when they get into trouble:
When I researched it several years ago to try it myself, this might be what I found at the time. So if I’ve told anybody wrong, my apologies!
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
I've touched Sorc lots. It has been underbaked as a class for 12 years now, but the Mastery is undeniably strong. If you guys are referring to relatively underpowered MagSorc builds, there have been 0 metas where "stack max mag to do everything (from range)" has been balanced, either busted op or useless garbage, here's hoping the upcoming rework resolves this.Have you even touched the Sorc with anecdotal gameplay in actual content or are you still disillusioned based ONLY on PTS parse numbers/ number statistics? Sorc is still way underbaked, Idk what kind of stuff you're seeing but Sorc passives still need alot of work.
This is the crux of the issue and a lot of it stems from the fact there seems to be no real "Sorc Dev" on the team and hasn't been since probably Vvardenfell (or maybe even earlier) given how the Sorcerer changes have been handled over the years.
Overload 3rd bar removal (completely killed the pets as a synergistic and integrated part of the class kit), that resulted in splitting the class into 2 separate distinct and conflicting playstyles that resulted in both of them needing to outsource many key aspects of their builds to non-class skills (or other class lines post sub-classing).
The refusal to expand Sorcerers abilities to have secondary effects/buff/debuff access, etc. Stems from some outdated (launch era) notion that classes need to rely on other classes to gain access the buffs that all of the other classes have not had to live be for years now, but sorcerer still suffers under (see some of the dev notes during U38-45 patch notes for proof of this).
U41 ward changes that were insane numbers buffs, but with zero added functionality beyond flat numbers increases, the numbers had to be that big or the buff would completely flop (see the ward nerf in U46 where the line just fell off a cliff in PvP, especially with sub-classing pushing damage infinitely high on top of that nerf and the line is only used for atro in PvE).
Design of crit surge needing to deal critical strikes to "heal over time" but no sticky DoTs in the kit for consistent damage ticks or access to major Prophecy/Savagery for years (and only really stamsorc eventually got that buff on armaments), oh and pets cannot proc this ability either.
The changes to max stats, their removal from the switch of Champion Point 1 system to Champion Point 2 system, the changes to the damage formula years ago to make max stats significantly lower than stacking weapon/spell damage, the shift of scaling healing off weapon/spell damage instead of max stats, and the constant changes to Sorcerers max stats passives/effects so that they are now a janky unreliable mess spread across multiple passives and skill lines (both of which are borderline useless in a sub-classing world).
Cast times on Sorcerer abilities to balance out access to streak (Sorc needing to keep away to ensure reliable use of defensive capabilities), but then giving every class infinite baseline speed at no cost and now sub-classing for streak on top of that speed as well without any cost to their other defensive capabilities such as removal of mitigation, cast times on their healing abilities, etc.
Everything being so generic it works better for non-sorc abilities than it does for sorc abilities
The refusal to expand Sorcerers abilities to have secondary effects/buff/debuff access, etc. Stems from some outdated (launch era) notion that classes need to rely on other classes to gain access the buffs that all of the other classes have not had to live be for years now, but sorcerer still suffers under (see some of the dev notes during U38-45 patch notes for proof of this).
U41 ward changes that were insane numbers buffs, but with zero added functionality beyond flat numbers increases, the numbers had to be that big or the buff would completely flop (see the ward nerf in U46 where the line just fell off a cliff in PvP, especially with sub-classing pushing damage infinitely high on top of that nerf and the line is only used for atro in PvE).
Design of crit surge needing to deal critical strikes to "heal over time" but no sticky DoTs in the kit for consistent damage ticks or access to major Prophecy/Savagery for years (and only really stamsorc eventually got that buff on armaments), oh and pets cannot proc this ability either.
The changes to max stats, their removal from the switch of Champion Point 1 system to Champion Point 2 system, the changes to the damage formula years ago to make max stats significantly lower than stacking weapon/spell damage, the shift of scaling healing off weapon/spell damage instead of max stats, and the constant changes to Sorcerers max stats passives/effects so that they are now a janky unreliable mess spread across multiple passives and skill lines (both of which are borderline useless in a sub-classing world).
Cast times on Sorcerer abilities to balance out access to streak (Sorc needing to keep away to ensure reliable use of defensive capabilities), but then giving every class infinite baseline speed at no cost and now sub-classing for streak on top of that speed as well without any cost to their other defensive capabilities such as removal of mitigation, cast times on their healing abilities, etc.
Everything being so generic it works better for non-sorc abilities than it does for sorc abilities
Keeping these flaws in the Sorcerers class kit has meant that the only way to make Sorcerer competitive (in any setting) is to bump the numbers up so stupidly high (see U41 ward changes, class sets and class masteries as proof) that there's no way to truly balance them.
These design fallacies ZOS has with Sorc really need to be addressed or the Sorc refresh will flop just as bad as everything else ZOS has tried with Sorc.
When doing Sorcs refresh, ZOS needs to:
- delete the extremely outdated notion from their minds that Sorc needs other classes for basic buffs (resolve, brut/sorc, proph/sav) or debuffs (breach).
- delete cast times (especially hidden ones such as on fury/flood) as the "balancing" mechanics for streak now that every class sits at speed cap and has access to streak anyway (with sub-classing).
- delete the many internal conflicts inherent within sorcs design (the crit surge case and the pet v no pet resulting from overload 3rd bar removal as examples).
- stop trying to simply force big numbers through as the way to fix the classes inherent design flaws when a complete redesign from the ground up is required.
- start tying some of sorcs strengths to actual sorc abilities rather than being completely generic that better suits everything else than it does sorc abilities.
- remove the extreme redundancy from sorcs abilities (the class doesn't need like 6 sustain passives on top of 4-5 sustain based secondary effects and a sustain based class mastery, it's complete overkill).
- revert the shift of all of sorcs abilities into delayed burst for this "one big 5 stacked ability combo" that still deals less damage than just casting a single molten whip or timing MR + shulks does for DK or sub-classed builds respectively, allow the class some actual pressure abilities in its kit outside of overload to facilitate other playstyles.
- delete cast times (especially hidden ones such as on fury/flood) as the "balancing" mechanics for streak now that every class sits at speed cap and has access to streak anyway (with sub-classing).
- delete the many internal conflicts inherent within sorcs design (the crit surge case and the pet v no pet resulting from overload 3rd bar removal as examples).
- stop trying to simply force big numbers through as the way to fix the classes inherent design flaws when a complete redesign from the ground up is required.
- start tying some of sorcs strengths to actual sorc abilities rather than being completely generic that better suits everything else than it does sorc abilities.
- remove the extreme redundancy from sorcs abilities (the class doesn't need like 6 sustain passives on top of 4-5 sustain based secondary effects and a sustain based class mastery, it's complete overkill).
- revert the shift of all of sorcs abilities into delayed burst for this "one big 5 stacked ability combo" that still deals less damage than just casting a single molten whip or timing MR + shulks does for DK or sub-classed builds respectively, allow the class some actual pressure abilities in its kit outside of overload to facilitate other playstyles.
Also, now that DK is giving the entire group major berserk when casting an ultimate (any ultimate) from the DK mastery as well as major heroism to the group (that also allows the caster to cast that ultimate much more frequently), on top of being a superior parse DD thanks to the abundance of cleave access DK has that Sorcerer does not have, Sorcerer needs it's own unique reason to bring it to groups since DK is taking the existing only reason to bring Sorcerers into end-game PvE group content at all (that being atro on a support for group major berserk).
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Exactly.
DK has the (awesome) "problem" where they have SO many great skills that you just want to slot them all and get severe FOMO when you are constrained by your scarce bar space.
Meanwhile, over in Sorc-Land, you could delete 75% of total Sorc skills and nobody would care - or even notice - because they are such collective dogwater that they haven't been slotted by serious players since the age of Elsweyr.
I will say, though, that when every class has as stacked skills as DK... the game will be absolutely cooking again. And it will be glorious.
Also, probably closer to 85% of sorcs abilities could be removed and nobody would notice. The only ones people would notice enough to complain about would be the pets (and only pet mains would complain), hurricane (this specific morph only) and Streak (PvP) (wow a whopping 6 out of 36 morphs of the entire kit would have people notice/complain if they got removed). Everything else is just too niche, completely redundant or just simply outclassed by better alternatives.
p.s. not counting atro anymore since it's redundant with DK mastery passive, also not counting ward anymore because U46 nerf completely killed it to the point that shield soul is a better shield than ward due to secondary effects + utility beyond just being a shield.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Static Reverberation:
I know changes are coming for this tomorrow (Mon Apr 27), but just wanted to chime in on how I hope to see it changed because this is a great opportunity to improve the quality of life in addition to lowering the DPS ceiling.
Very powerful for execute and PvE where you are bound to widdle enemies down to 1~33% for the high 66~100% chance, but in PvP this rarely happens because you never want to be below 80% HP for longer than a second. If you do reach 30% HP, you're usually already dead, to which this Mastery and the multi hit dot pressure playstyle it needs wouldn't do anything better than a regular build using popular executes like Executioner, Radiant Oppression, Whirling Blades, or even Mage's Wrath.
Aside from a dummy parse, this Mastery is underperforming and not worth it over the Conservation of Energy or Calculated Defense in PvP, and is certainly not better than Font of Power and the permanent upfront bonus it gives 100% of the time. I really don't see why anyone would bother with a dot playstyle and this Mastery especially when Purges are so popular.
NB has a similar issue with their Mastery which doesn't do anything upfront. The hard part is getting people low, not finishing the job, at least for NB they don't need to change their playstyle because it just provides raw stats.
Core changes:
Goal:
Proc Chance in Practice:
Damage in Practice:
As you can see above, majority of the fight it'd be weaker, but it'd be more enjoyable to engage with overall by actually doing something at all stages of a fight. This type of balance with a base chance, but reduced damage, and a higher emphasis on execute with improved damage, but less chance would solve a lot of the issues with the Mastery for both PvE and PvP.
The cooldown could even be adjusted from 0.2s to 0.3s to continue working with Bound Armaments, but reduce it's potency with Rapid Strikes (0.2s between each hit) allowing for some space for actual Sorc spammables or Force Pulse, that don't have so many ticks in a short time span. Hopefully in the future, abilities like Crystal Weapon, Frags, and Fury are adjusted to multi hit attacks to make this Mastery more appealing. It's currently really odd to have a pure class Mastery that performs best with out of class abilities.
Additionally a % cap could be considered; Maybe it starts at 10%, gains 1% per 1% missing HP, but caps at 70% by 40% HP.... or some combination of every suggestion I've made. Many ways to improve it.
Also... with these adjustments. Remove the pet penalty, it's not necessary. Majority of us want no pet Sorc to be competitive again, but we don't want to bury pet Sorc to do it. BOTH should be viable. Remove all these barriers like Beacon of Oblivion, this Mastery, and the Class Flourish. We all hate it.
Again, this all goes for NB's Mastery too, for example:
I know changes are coming for this tomorrow (Mon Apr 27), but just wanted to chime in on how I hope to see it changed because this is a great opportunity to improve the quality of life in addition to lowering the DPS ceiling.
Very powerful for execute and PvE where you are bound to widdle enemies down to 1~33% for the high 66~100% chance, but in PvP this rarely happens because you never want to be below 80% HP for longer than a second. If you do reach 30% HP, you're usually already dead, to which this Mastery and the multi hit dot pressure playstyle it needs wouldn't do anything better than a regular build using popular executes like Executioner, Radiant Oppression, Whirling Blades, or even Mage's Wrath.
Aside from a dummy parse, this Mastery is underperforming and not worth it over the Conservation of Energy or Calculated Defense in PvP, and is certainly not better than Font of Power and the permanent upfront bonus it gives 100% of the time. I really don't see why anyone would bother with a dot playstyle and this Mastery especially when Purges are so popular.
NB has a similar issue with their Mastery which doesn't do anything upfront. The hard part is getting people low, not finishing the job, at least for NB they don't need to change their playstyle because it just provides raw stats.
Core changes:
- Base chance: +25% chance to trigger at all times.
- Base damage: -17% damage.
- Execute threshold: Reduced from 100% HP to 50% HP.
- Execute scaling: +1% Chance and +1% Damage Done per 1% HP missing below 50% HP.
Goal:
- Can be used much earlier in a fight with the base 25% chance, but deals -17% less damage.
- Damage of proc is weaker from 100~33% HP, then stronger from 33%~0% HP.
- Proc chance is more consistent from 100~75% HP, but less consistent from 75%~0% HP.
- Lowers DPS ceiling, increases DPS floor.
- Amplifies execute identity by starting its overall improvements at 50% HP instead of 100% HP.
Proc Chance in Practice:
- Stronger: 100% HP = 25% instead of 0%.
- Equal: 75% HP = 25% to 25%.
- Weaker: 50% HP = 25% instead of 50%.
- Weaker: 25% HP = 50% instead of 75%.
- Weaker: 1% HP = 74% instead of 99%.
Damage in Practice:
- Weaker: 100% HP = -17%
- Weaker: 75% HP = -17%
- Weaker: 50% HP = -17%
- Equal: 33% HP = 0%
- Stronger: 0% HP = +33%
As you can see above, majority of the fight it'd be weaker, but it'd be more enjoyable to engage with overall by actually doing something at all stages of a fight. This type of balance with a base chance, but reduced damage, and a higher emphasis on execute with improved damage, but less chance would solve a lot of the issues with the Mastery for both PvE and PvP.
The cooldown could even be adjusted from 0.2s to 0.3s to continue working with Bound Armaments, but reduce it's potency with Rapid Strikes (0.2s between each hit) allowing for some space for actual Sorc spammables or Force Pulse, that don't have so many ticks in a short time span. Hopefully in the future, abilities like Crystal Weapon, Frags, and Fury are adjusted to multi hit attacks to make this Mastery more appealing. It's currently really odd to have a pure class Mastery that performs best with out of class abilities.
Additionally a % cap could be considered; Maybe it starts at 10%, gains 1% per 1% missing HP, but caps at 70% by 40% HP.... or some combination of every suggestion I've made. Many ways to improve it.
Also... with these adjustments. Remove the pet penalty, it's not necessary. Majority of us want no pet Sorc to be competitive again, but we don't want to bury pet Sorc to do it. BOTH should be viable. Remove all these barriers like Beacon of Oblivion, this Mastery, and the Class Flourish. We all hate it.
Again, this all goes for NB's Mastery too, for example:
- Increases your W/S Damage by 400 and reduces your damage taken by 4%, both are increased by an additional 800 W/S Damage and 8% damage taken based on your target's missing health.
Re: Surveys: Please let us simultaneously harvest multiples of the same survey
HatchetHaro wrote: »Not exactly a solution to your problem, but there's an addon called Reset Markers that at least makes the process of resetting surveys way easier.
Nice, I didn't know about that addon. Some seem to have silly long reset ranges, but maybe it resets in a better direction.
Actually, if you collect multiple copies of the same survey, once you've collected survey, just press the keybind to open the housing menu and select "Preview House"(one that you don't own...). The game will teleport you inside the house; as soon as you're inside, just leave the house immediately, and the game will teleport you back to where you were. However, the zone will reset, and so will your survey, so you don’t have to run anywhere or check your distance to see if you’ve moved far enough for the survey to reset—just two loading screens(portin to house, porting out) and your survey is reset. As for which method is faster, I’ve never timed it (it really depends on how long the loading screen takes for each person), but this one works better for me.
But yea, I’d love to see some QQL. I’d definitely go for it. It wouldn’t be bad if, for example, three surveys of the same type (three Alchemy Surveys, for instance) could be combined into one big survey (Greater Alchemy Survey), which would contain three times as many resources as a regular survey.
Thoriorz
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Re: SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
As someone who played a nightblade brawler, trust me, it changed enough that I wanted to just vomit. Maybe for some classes it did not change, but for mine it definitely did, and I have all but stopped playing that character because god I was tired of having to move things around and change gear every few months. On vengeance I can just hop in, pvp, hop out. 0 problem. Is it perfect? No, but its way WAY better than the GH mess imo.
Oh, this is so interesting. I used to be a nightblade brawler in GH, too, as one of my main in game activities. I quit when multiclassing went live, and I'm also someone who really enjoys the simplicity and accessibility of Vengeance. GH did eventually just tire me out. It felt like I had to work a lot harder to achieve the same results I had a year or two ago. I didn't expect to see someone in a similar position to me on the forums. The way people make it sound, serious PVPers universally reject Vengeance.
I wonder if we're the only ones, or if there's something to this nightblade brawler angle.
xencthlu
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Re: I believe outgoing healing in PvP needs to be completely removed.
Parasaurolophus wrote: »In Battlegrounds, the team with more healers almost always wins.
This sounds like a balanced and rewarding environment for healers and the system working well in battlegrounds. I've only played non-organized group healers and it's very satisfying, and encourages players to play a bit more selflessly in pugs.
Organized ball groups are largely viable because of cross-healing.
This has been a longterm issue, but one that I think should be addressed without removing most of PvP healing. I think the only thing that maybe fixed this was Vengeance, right? Are there Vengeance ball groups that perform as well as regular ones?
Re: 🚨Werewolf NERFS Incoming on PTS Week 3🚨
VinnyGambini wrote: »dark_hunterxmg wrote: »You are honestly so biased. WW is currently doing more imbalance to pvp than subclassing ever did. You simply can't accept the fact that WW should be on par with others, not 10x above them.
Enough context was even given on how op it is, you just refuse to accept it. Your argument to someone who understand something from pvp sounds like 2+2=5.
The build was even given in the cmx, it literally shows rele stacks with tfs stacks, yet you refused to accept that too.
Going to keep my response in a similar format to yours.
'relequen'. Give evidence of what the opponent was running, no cuts- right now (I know you can't)
Relequeen, twice-fanged serpent and huntsmans mythic. That was the build, which is what the cmx clearly even tells you.
It's not just the sets. It's the Sorcerer class masteries that are enabling this. Greater sustain from Conservation of Energy means greater damage output, plus the damage from Static Reverberation is compounding.
This is not a Werewolf problem. It's a class mastery problem.
Werewolf still has no single skill that can even come close to the damage that a whip or a crystal frag can do.
THIS. Fully agree, sorc class masteries are beyond OP. Right now in riften you can see exclusively sorceres (WW and not WW) testing out how OP sorcerer is.
Personally I'm very happy that WW nerfs are incoming, and sorc passives should be nerfed as well.
DK is literally more broken than Sorc lol.
hoangdz
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Re: 14 hour maintenance on Monday? Did I read that right?
It might give you the chance to look at some of the other games that aren't held together with chewing gum and piano wire. I've never seen so much maintenance in what should be a solid game by now.
herkemur
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