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Please don't shut down Blackreach
Removing Blackreach from the game is a bad idea. I can't imagine any good reason to do it.
First, let's touch on Vengeance. The Vengeance test-turned-feature has been a thinly-veiled deception from the get-go. "It's a performance test, guys! Actually, we are going to add some more features... for performance testing, don't worry. Just a test. Only temporary. Here are some icons for perks! Hmmmmmm, actually, it's not really about performance anymore; we really want to make a game mode to ease more casual players into PvP. Vengeance affords equal footing for people to hop in and enjoy large-scale battles without knowing anything about PvP. Isn't that great?! Vengeance is ready for prime-time!!!"
Stop it. You never fooled any of us. Vengeance has always been the best ZoS could do to treat the symptom (Cyro performance is bad) rather than the disease (properly investing in hardware and software improvements to deliver the experience players expect in Cyrodiil). Since it's been "popular" with casual players (i.e. you put golden pursuits and bonus rewards in there, shut down other campaigns, and then were delighted to find players showed up!
wow!), it's now positioned as the future of PvP in ESO. That's a terrible mistake, not because Vengeance can't occupy a valuable place in ESO's PvP ecosystem, but because it's being forced on an existing community of PvPers who DO NOT WANT IT.
And yes, I mean "forced." Gray Host is not a functional alternative; it's alliance-locked, meaning that any Vengeance-haters who play multiple alliances are out of luck. Who overlooked this, or decided it's OK?!
Listen, we get it: you've invested in Vengeance to the point that you can't throw it out. Casual players like it; that's good for the game. Fine. Let them have Vengeance. In fact, let them CHOOSE Vengeance. I personally doubt it will retain non-PvPers' attention for long and will become a ghost campaign in the absence of special incentives to play there, but that's beside the point of this post.
The point of this post is: leave Blackreach alone. The many players who enjoy ESO PvP, play characters spanning multiple alliances, swap alliances to help friends, and prefer to avoid the long queues and undesirables who plague Gray Host will thank you. And if Vengeance is truly worthy of existing, it will be plenty populated regardless of other campaigns continuing to exist.
First, let's touch on Vengeance. The Vengeance test-turned-feature has been a thinly-veiled deception from the get-go. "It's a performance test, guys! Actually, we are going to add some more features... for performance testing, don't worry. Just a test. Only temporary. Here are some icons for perks! Hmmmmmm, actually, it's not really about performance anymore; we really want to make a game mode to ease more casual players into PvP. Vengeance affords equal footing for people to hop in and enjoy large-scale battles without knowing anything about PvP. Isn't that great?! Vengeance is ready for prime-time!!!"
Stop it. You never fooled any of us. Vengeance has always been the best ZoS could do to treat the symptom (Cyro performance is bad) rather than the disease (properly investing in hardware and software improvements to deliver the experience players expect in Cyrodiil). Since it's been "popular" with casual players (i.e. you put golden pursuits and bonus rewards in there, shut down other campaigns, and then were delighted to find players showed up!
wow!), it's now positioned as the future of PvP in ESO. That's a terrible mistake, not because Vengeance can't occupy a valuable place in ESO's PvP ecosystem, but because it's being forced on an existing community of PvPers who DO NOT WANT IT.And yes, I mean "forced." Gray Host is not a functional alternative; it's alliance-locked, meaning that any Vengeance-haters who play multiple alliances are out of luck. Who overlooked this, or decided it's OK?!
Listen, we get it: you've invested in Vengeance to the point that you can't throw it out. Casual players like it; that's good for the game. Fine. Let them have Vengeance. In fact, let them CHOOSE Vengeance. I personally doubt it will retain non-PvPers' attention for long and will become a ghost campaign in the absence of special incentives to play there, but that's beside the point of this post.
The point of this post is: leave Blackreach alone. The many players who enjoy ESO PvP, play characters spanning multiple alliances, swap alliances to help friends, and prefer to avoid the long queues and undesirables who plague Gray Host will thank you. And if Vengeance is truly worthy of existing, it will be plenty populated regardless of other campaigns continuing to exist.
Hugie
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First Look at Berserker Werewolf
I actually was able to get on briefly, though I don't believe I was supposed to? I hope this post is okay but I wanted to give some folks something to see.
The Pack Leader (which I don't have screenshots for) had blue/green markings, I couldn't tell against the white body, but still. Sadly, here's the only shots I have.
The Pack Leader (which I don't have screenshots for) had blue/green markings, I couldn't tell against the white body, but still. Sadly, here's the only shots I have.
coop500
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
So who else will be taking a week off from ESO starting April 20th?
JohnG
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Its not just that they disable Grey Host in that week once more, but also with Update 50 and the big PvP reward system, the first 30!!!! ranks are basically Vengeance only rewards. They keep forcing it onto us, they do not listen, that the majority of PvP players do not want Vengeance. Its just PvE people liking it, because then they can just jump in, change nothing and be good at it.
When Vengeance PvE rules for Trifecta btw? I don't want to change my build for that and I expect to be able to do it with absolutely no effort, thank you.
When Vengeance PvE rules for Trifecta btw? I don't want to change my build for that and I expect to be able to do it with absolutely no effort, thank you.
L_Nici
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Vengeance has been confirmed to be coming as a permanent feature alongside GH with update 50, and they've even gone as far as making a large number of the "rewards" offered through the new PVP progression system vengeance-specific.
Still can't help but believe this is a terrible misstep in what is otherwise a stellar year for the studio. I've seen some people in favor of vengeance, but far more seem opposed, especially within the PVP community itself. As far as population goes, the last vengeance test was practically dead on PC NA after the first night, with GH having more players on it every single evening even when considering the different population caps.
I find myself wishing they'd have scrapped this altogether and focused their PVP-related efforts on improving the existing content, as well as further developing the upcoming mid-size zone and reward system.
I agree. It really comes off as a combination of tunnel vision with sunken cost fallacy to continue with Vengeance.
dcrush
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Re: Natch potes netch pots potch newts
We've been waiting 5 or so years (since rework) for an actual numbers/rework change or 10+ if you look at it from the view of werewolf having become increasingly worse over time.
These are, by definition, going to be the most notable patch notes for me and I can't wait- haha (well I can but I don't wanna)!
ANOTHER WUFFY?!
Re: Please Stop Preying on FOMO
Only way to get them to stop is to disengage. Miss out because it's not worth it. When fomo causes a drop in engagement numbers, they will stop releasing content that way.
Absolutely this lol, folks (not any one in particular, just like players generally) complain about the FOMO stuff but then they log in and go after it hardcore, and corporate sees that data, and the cycle goes on.
Re: Oh how I wish we still had Chapters
I for one am glad they dropped chapters and are now able to do much more work elsewhere on the game, while still giving us large scale zones occasionally.
The rest of the game has suffered for too long due to chapters.
The rest of the game has suffered for too long due to chapters.
Re: Oh how I wish we still had Chapters
Really happy we are leaving the formulaic "content" behind. I was mostly interested in chapters for the new game systems, (and even those were often misses, e.g. companions), as the stories, quests and NPCs sucked more and more with every release.
Can't wait for everything that's coming this year.
Ditto. Chapters were a death spiral for eso. Really excited for what they've announced!
Re: Natch potes netch pots potch newts
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »My favourite part is that this post has been sustained by pts cycles since 2022
Someday the mods will have their way and close the thread due to it being "originally posted in 2022" and "in many cases, it is better to open a new thread".
I know some specific few of them are just itching for it and clawing their desks every time they see it
Malyore
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