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Re: Maintenance... again...
Four_Fingers wrote: »Some maintenance to servers is regularly required just like changing oil in a car which you would have to change every few days if you drove 100K miles a week like servers have to do.
The more they are used the more frequent the maintenance is what I am trying to say.
Imagine if you had to change the oil in your car every 7 days, and from time to time, you even had to change it 3 times in the same week. What would you do to that car?
I bet you wouldn’t even sell it to your enemy. Yet here we are, paying ZOS to do that to us.
Last'One
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Re: What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle?
DenverRalphy wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Honest question..
Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?
Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.
Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?
Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".
PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.
Re: If ESO wants to be a 30-year game, when does it drop old tech support?
Apollosipod wrote: »ZOS has stated they want ESO to be a 30-year game, but we are currently watching the game flail (literally and figuratively in the case of the most recent contact animation issues). If the reason for this is that old PCs and consoles are holding back the game's development, how long does it maintain support for lower end tech? How many players are at risk of being lost long-term because development is currently working to maintain older tech?
I want this game to succeed and continue to grow, but this last season has really shown the cracks...
Some context.
WoW minimum system specs are 10+ year old tech.
It also runs a vanilla version - WoW Classic - that was released in 2019; it;s minimum system specs are 15+ year old tech.
Final Fantasy XIV - 10+ year old tech
Guild Wars 2 - 15+ year old tech
Even the now maintenance mode New World was 8+ year old tech
So... are those games also in the state where the devs are saying "we're actively removing things from the current build because we need to support old hardware"?
Or are they just built better than ESO in the first place?
Having any number of games that support hardware even older doesn't change the fact that ESO, as it is built, is struggling to fit on old hardware, and the solution the devs have landed on was to cannibalize itself to make space for the future. That's not conjecture, that's a fact.
Re: If ESO wants to be a 30-year game, when does it drop old tech support?
alternatelder wrote: »I remember when players said old consoles are the reason we won't get another class, then they released Necromancer. Then players said it again, then they released Arcanist.
And the players, still on a broken record, also said we still can't have nice things because old gen is holding us back, and we have gotten companions, ToT, antiquities, scribing, subclassing, a new arena, amongst other new things we supposedly couldn't have because old consoles.
And the players continue saying it, we can't have anything new because old gen...
Well, to be fair it wasn't just the players saying it. It was ZOS
Re: What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle?
SilverBride wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »Honest question..
Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?
Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.
Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?
Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".
PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.
PCNA's progress wasn't decreased any more than any of the other servers. And if that graph that was floating around at the beginning of the event is anything to go by, the Console servers were corrected down more than PC servers.
Re: ESO Event Design, Rewarding Players or Burning Them Out?
I've admittedly been less happy with eso in general for the last couple years, but the wall event was like someone smacking me in the face with a dose of reality. What am I even doing? I've essentially stopped playing now except for endeavors and just logging into talk to / do something with friends, and I'm not sure how much longer I'll continue, unless next year is somehow better.
Re: If ESO wants to be a 30-year game, when does it drop old tech support?
lostineternity wrote: »frogthroat wrote: »It all comes to profit and production cost. As long as PS4 and Xbox One users keep buying ESO+, cosmetics and new expansions, and the cost of keeping the game playable on those devices is lower, the support will not be dropped.
Here is a totally professional graph created with the most cutting edge statistical tool visualising the point when the old HW support will be dropped:
It's not that easy. Majority of player base is not from ps4/xbox one so ZOS shouldn't make user experience worse for everyone because of small fraction of population. But this is logical conclusion and I'm not sure (especially since u35) they are capable of making logical decisions.
How can you say the majority of players are not from one platform or another?
How come Xbox is winning the race if they have less players?
We don't even know how many active players we have or how many are playing at a particular time.
The only people that know the figures are Bethesda/ZOS/microsoft.
They didn't say Playstation/Xbox in general. They stipulated PS4 and Xbox One. The older gen of the respective consoles.
I could believe with relative confidence any claim that PS4 and Xbox One players are highly unlikely to be in the majority anymore.
Re: ESO Event Design, Rewarding Players or Burning Them Out?
If the drop rate on the style pages, furnishing plans, and bone shards wasn't so abysmal, it wouldn't be so bad. But it does feel like very little reward for the effort. There's no reason for the drop rates on these things to be so low. It's discouraging to open a bunch of boxes and get nothing new, just three more Haj Mota fragments to destroy or maybe try to sell for 50 gold because those are worthless at this point, and maybe a Stirk Fellowship page but it'll be one of the ones you already got six times and not the one that you need. Why aren't those curated? You can do that with armor, but not style pages?
Not to mention the weird drop rates on the quest items themselves. Sometimes I'll do a siege camp and not get a single vitrified soul even though I was there killing mobs from the start, then I'll do go and another one and there are lootable enemies with vitrified souls before I even get there, ones that I haven't even damaged (and no I'm not in a group when this happens). It's so inconsistent. I kill two zombies and get all the undead essence or whatever it is, but then I gotta kill 35 wolves before I get one mangy pelt?
This event was WAAAAAAAAAY overhyped. This is easily the most boring one they have ever done, and I've been playing since beta. Even doing the same repetitive New Life quests every year feels more fun, because at least those quests are unique and interesting and not just "collect [x] of [whatever thing]."
So we've got boring and grindy quests, lackluster rewards with low drop rates, and an event dragging on for FAR longer than it should (this should have been a few weeks max, not a couple months). So yeah, it feels more like a chore than a game at this point. And I've got enough chores in my real life.
Not to mention the weird drop rates on the quest items themselves. Sometimes I'll do a siege camp and not get a single vitrified soul even though I was there killing mobs from the start, then I'll do go and another one and there are lootable enemies with vitrified souls before I even get there, ones that I haven't even damaged (and no I'm not in a group when this happens). It's so inconsistent. I kill two zombies and get all the undead essence or whatever it is, but then I gotta kill 35 wolves before I get one mangy pelt?
This event was WAAAAAAAAAY overhyped. This is easily the most boring one they have ever done, and I've been playing since beta. Even doing the same repetitive New Life quests every year feels more fun, because at least those quests are unique and interesting and not just "collect [x] of [whatever thing]."
So we've got boring and grindy quests, lackluster rewards with low drop rates, and an event dragging on for FAR longer than it should (this should have been a few weeks max, not a couple months). So yeah, it feels more like a chore than a game at this point. And I've got enough chores in my real life.
Re: What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle?
It won't be weeks. PC NA has been consistently 25% behind Xbox EU since about 1/2 way through phase 1, which means when they get to 100% and start phase 3 PCNA will be on 75% and so only a few days away from completing it.
I agree though that splitting servers up and making them 'compete' against each other was a bad decision. Its the complete opposite of their messaging elsewhere about how we're all one community. (Although sometimes that goes too far the other way, like informing us we all find the same man attractive.)
It's not a great feeling to be told other players are now the competition who must be beaten because, something, something 'server pride' or whatever. It also has practical downsides: in previous community events everyone would help each other out, including completing quests on both NA and EU, or even multiple platforms if people owned the game on more than one. Now there's no reason to do that.
I agree though that splitting servers up and making them 'compete' against each other was a bad decision. Its the complete opposite of their messaging elsewhere about how we're all one community. (Although sometimes that goes too far the other way, like informing us we all find the same man attractive.)
It's not a great feeling to be told other players are now the competition who must be beaten because, something, something 'server pride' or whatever. It also has practical downsides: in previous community events everyone would help each other out, including completing quests on both NA and EU, or even multiple platforms if people owned the game on more than one. Now there's no reason to do that.
Danikat
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Re: What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle?
i think the biggest problem was really dividing the servers, its not really conducive to a community event for one
for the other, with all of the mystery numbers behind the scenes, along with the progression changes during phase 1 (everything seems to be progressing around the same rate in phase 2, but it doesnt help that PC NA started way behind), theres no really gauging competition anyway since we dont know what the thresholds for each server were, or if they were over-adjusted
i personally usually only do 3 dailies for the gold boxes and thats it, though i have sometimes done extra crafting ones because they are quick and easy XP to help level some subclasses on some other toons
theres already poor incentive to doing multiple of each daily after the initial 3
for the other, with all of the mystery numbers behind the scenes, along with the progression changes during phase 1 (everything seems to be progressing around the same rate in phase 2, but it doesnt help that PC NA started way behind), theres no really gauging competition anyway since we dont know what the thresholds for each server were, or if they were over-adjusted
i personally usually only do 3 dailies for the gold boxes and thats it, though i have sometimes done extra crafting ones because they are quick and easy XP to help level some subclasses on some other toons
theres already poor incentive to doing multiple of each daily after the initial 3
