It's very distracting. I find myself looking at the numbers constantly changing instead of paying attention to where I'm going.

OP why did you think BGF was boring? In terms of mechanics? I actually think the mechanics in this dungeon are cleverly designed, challenging yet fun. The last boss HM fight might be my favourite so far. What I like about it is that although mechanics happen fast, and they can overlap, there is a periodicity that if you get to grips with its rhytmh it then unlocks the fight. There's no luck or RNG involved, there's no artificial difficulty via just piling on the incoming damage, it's just a matter of excecuting the steps to a dance well and coordinating with your group mates. In my books that is a well-designed fight. I also like that you have to keep moving your attention to different things and that you can't afford to tunnel vision.

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Whaa?? I thought BGF was one of the most well designed dungeons we've had. What difficulty mode did you do it on?

Why would that matter? A dungeon has to be fun and memorable for all play levels or do you think only meta builds and experienced players should enjoy the game?

Uhm, because on normal and vet mechanics can be so ignorable you never have to learn them? It's the reality that non-HM dungeons have to be puggable and thus cannot have harsh consequences for mechanics or a lot of group-play mechanics... making them boring.

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

Please share what aspects of the dungeon you felt were designed well?

The first boss minigame of avoiding getting slammed into crystals is pretty unique, as is having to cone the group to remove the DoT-- exact opposite of what a tank should do in any other situation. Second boss, the group-play of standing in the beam to reduce the damage done to the furthest player yet also needing to situate the beam so that it hits the adds is a wonderfully complicated mechanic. I haven't done the last boss enough to comment on that one.

ZoS should rename either the elemental effect called "poison" to "venom", or rename the fluids smeared onto weapons as a consumable from "poison" to "venom".

Either choice would prevent this needless confusion.

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Markytous wrote: »

This is only doable because the queueing pool of players is too small now. 4v4 and 8v8 hasn't been good for match variance, and since there are now only 2 teams and a lower player count overall for BGs ballgroup proccers are gonna be placed on the same team at a higher %chance than before with 3 teams 4v4v4 system. This further proves that the Battlegrounds overhaul has kneecapped PVP and put mini-Cyrodiil ballgroup/zerg simulations as the BG experience. I knew this would happen.

This was their intention. If you read between the lines their idea of pvp is being able to just show up, maybe proc roa with the click of one button, disrupt an entire 16 person battle with that one click, and then casually and calmly stroll back to base with a relic or a chaos ball. It's comical.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66847

"When looking at two-sided matches, we saw it opened the door for larger teams and bigger maps, plus created an experience that was less intense for some players. Feedback suggested that many 4v4v4 matches ended up turning into two-sided ones, anyway, with teams turning on each other or ganging up on either the winner or loser"

The more you read the article the more you realize the bgs fail on most intentions they had outlined in the article except to kneecap pvp, which, again, Was their intention. In black and white above they basically say they want pvp to be less pvp-ish. It's mind-boggling. Pvp is intense. That's what makes it fun. So, adding it up, they've literally sucked the fun out of bgs.

For example, They wanted bg players to not gang up on either the winner or loser. Spawn camping has become how 95% of bgs now play out. Casuals get repeatedly melted more than ever.

Credit where credit is due; they tried to make bgs better. They just didn't do it. They made them worse for most players. I hope the small community of players having a better time in two team bgs were worth losing old a new players who are not.

To your points they are trying to address combat power creep "intensity" caused by effect bloat through literally any other method they can think of. Combat is only "intense" for new players because it is so bloated, nothing is comprehensive to outside viewers. Go grab a friend that doesnt play eso. Show them a clip of old dizzy swing long cast knockup and then show them a clip of RoA into warden charm covered in a billion other effect particles and ask them to describe what happened in either clip. New players are faced at learning 4D blindfolded chess compared to what used to be checkers.

Before the game got bloated with proc effects on absolutely every action, player output was determined more based on skill use. So for newer players the only "intense" thing was someone being good at weaving or casting, keeping buffs up, sustaining in smart weaves. Basic player aspects that anyone could improve at. Now a days new players don't see these aspects and they just get blown out of the water by 30x invisible effects going off at once on top of all the previous gameplay mechanics. This disconnect creates a non-starter mindset where they see no possible path forward to learn pvp.

You could probably extrapolate this bloat issue to mmo's in general. As they grow and keep stacking on systems after systems with menus ontop of menus, they simply become way too much of a steep slope to learn. More and more people just mentally won't handle the steep slope. As far as proc sets and effects go, the funny part is they are always argued to be the "accessibility" option to make combat easier for people who cant weave. In reality it only added a layer of difference that made it harder while making the game bloated and harder to learn.

MincMincMinc wrote: »

They have already gone over and upgraded the hardware with really no difference.

For about 6-9 months post-hardware upgrade, the game ran at a level I'd never seen in it's history up till that point (and since!). I was streaming often during this time and would frequently be in keeps where there were 50+ players present and on screen at once with zero ability delay whatsoever.

I wish they would explain why the performance suddenly degraded back to pre-upgrade levels just a short 6 months later. It was like someone had flipped a switch - they released a patch and suddenly the ability delay was back during prime time. Since they never bothered to offer any explanation for this series of events, we're just left to speculate on what occurred. Whether the sudden drop was related to the return of ball groups en masse, the spaghetti code compounding the issues further each consecutive patch, or a straight up reduction in server capacity for a reason not given to us.

But to say there was no difference at all is just untrue - the upgrade was genuinely the one single thing they've done in the history of the game that actually made a difference, and a massive one at that.

Number one, they will not remove any materials that could go into ESO+'s crafting bag; that is precisely the only selling point with ESO+ atm, since new content comes with the content pass and is not part of ESO+. So for them to remove materials in the game so that there's less makes the crafting bag less appealing, especially for new players, as they quickly realize just how many different crafting items there are.

Are some of those systems outdated? Yes, they could do with a makeover; however, on a personal level, there are systems that are in much more need of work than the crafting section.

Pretty much the same for trait items, they won't change that because of the crafting bag... I may be wrong, but given how we actually have a crownstore simulator with mmo aspects, I doubt that will happen

We have noted this to the team for their consideration in a future update. But we have passed this along.