MaverickWerewolf wrote: »

My immediate impression is that this is somehow actually much worse than the previous new model (which in itself is still not as good as the original one). Artistically, the original one remains the best, but this new one is the absolute worst.

Please, please FIX THOSE SAGGING, WEAK, NARROW SHOULDERS.

They look awful! They are narrow and sagging and make the werewolf's entire frame look weak and silly. The old shoulders were not great, but they are better than this (stronger, broader, squared off).

Otherwise, my other impressions and complaints:

• He has very separated lizard toes...
• His body shape is just not good. His shoulders to waist has no real taper and his torso looks like a thick bar of soap instead of having a muscular shape to it. It somehow looks even worse than the already chonky original model, which had the same problem of having a baggy torso.
• His arms and legs are still too stubby and short, imo.
• What exactly happened to his tail? Why is it a mega fluffy featherduster? I do not like this. The big and floofier his tail is, the less scary he looks, and now it also looks strangely short? If he has a little fluffy stubby puff there, he is not going to look frightening.
• What's with his crazy hairdo?
• His brow and eyes are still very forward out from his face. His brow needs to be heavier to make him look angrier and more threatening, and his eyes need to be deeper set and shadowed (see: original model).

What I like:

• Thank you for leaving his abs visible. I like the fur distribution. I personally do not want super fluffy werewolves any more than I want hairless werewolves, and this is meeting a good middle ground.
• I like the new ears and his teeth.
• I LOVE the size increase! But the funky weak shoulders negate it completely for me.

That said, this is still not at all a net improvement; I'm sorry to be so critical, but I desperately do not want this to be the final werewolf model. Please look into this again. I am not kidding. I cannot play as my werewolves anymore if those shoulders remain like that. That's incredibly upsetting to me.

I was working on trying to make a post addressing these things but this one came first, and I want to say that I agree wholeheartedly. I'll still try to make my own post, and even address some of the gameplay mentions too. But the shoulders, stubby arms and hair are especially the first two things that stood out to me as looking very strange, especially compared to the original model but even the old WIP one too looked better in these departments.

I hope changes to the mesh can be made during the PTS. I don't think it needs fur plastered all over either, but I also don't think that's what most people meant when they mentioned the werewolf in the cinematic. What most people were meaning was the actual SHAPE of it, especially the head, being more fully wolflike, without a weird hairo. Like Maverick says here, the brow and eyes could be tweaked to achieve this effect and also make the beast look more threatening, aggressive and imposing.

Even looking at the 2026 anniversary cake werewolf, that looks much more imposing and beast-like, with full shoulders and a defined waist (for a cake decoration).

I do want to say a heartfelt thank you for enlarging the model however, I did not expect that and I want to give credit where credit is due. This was something that bothered me profoundly and it's a relief to see adjusted. But I think the mesh itself needs dire help, and I hope we can see some adjustments like what we saw with DK Spikes during PTS 49. I know at this point it's more or less set in stone, but I also know some mesh adjustments CAN be made, and if I had to pick only a few things, I'd certainly start with those shoulders, and trim the hair back on the top of the head.

Militan1404 wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

ruskiii wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

Hello ZOS Combat Team, @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Given the increasing number of complaints regarding the new version of the DragonKnight, I think it's time for a nerf.

Why can't we wait until you update our other classes?
Well, because it would take too long.
We want to play, right?

You can keep the beautiful animations, but reduce its power, however you can, find a way.

Thank you.

I have seen far more people wanting to see other classes brought up to the level of the DK rework than I have seen people crying for nerfs, its genuinely refreshing.

I hope ZOS take note of the 10x ratio on the first comment disagreeing with you.

Well i seen far more that dislike it and chats are full of complains about it, and how the game is shrinking even more after the rework tells what players wants.

Except the game isn't shrinking? It's been growing in population. You can check the steam charts for proof.

If you gonna take steam as proof then you also have to look at the full picture as well. If i look at last month when new dk came the player base whent down from the month before it. Now ots an popular event going on, of course the player base would go up a bit like it has always done even when subclassing(who is well known to have driven away many player) been around. But if you compare now fram last year at same time its still a downer.

Steam charts are a valid way to look at player numbers. No, it's not the entire population, but it is a large sample size.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that there were more players a year ago, as Steam Charts show just over 20k in April of 2025, and show just over 20k in April of 2026. There's no difference.

Additionally, you stated that the game is shrinking after the rework, which again, is categorically false. Since the rework released, the playerbase has grown by about 15%.

January 2026 - 16.8k
February 2026 - 17.1k
March 2026 - 17.8k
Last 30 days - 20.2k

Please tell me, where exactly did the numbers above go down? The release of the DK rework pretty clearly coincided with an increase in players, unless you're using some Terrance Howard math where 1*1=0.

TheDragonMeister wrote: »

Also remove dew claw

TheRoamingSpirit wrote: »

When I think of werewolves appearance I do not see dewclaws

I think the dew claws on the Werewolf make sense.

Real-life wolves do not have the dew claws on their hind paws, but rather only on their front paws. However, humans have five toes and five fingers per foot/hand.

So, a combination of human and wolf might see the dew claw (an iconic part of a real-life wolf) integrated somewhere, and since the werewolf form already has five fingers on each hand, it makes sense to let the feet have five toes as well via the dew claws.

I want to wish my character a Happy Anniversary. 10 years ago, today I created my first ESO toon. My Nord DK Stam, Valeria the Barbarian. Although I created her in 2016 and only got to play a little at a time before life got in the way, I came back in 2020 playing just about daily. Thank you ESO and ESO family!!! Looking forward to more!

While the critters aren't real, I understand what you are getting at. I hate arriving in town and seeing just about every NPC lying on the ground and no other NPCs even notice. At least in Skyrim the NPCs and guards would react to a death even if you were in stealth mode.

I think the challenge to kill 1,000 "foes" should be taken literally, foes attack you so you can kill them. Killing something that isn't aggro'd shouldn't count. Edit: I think ZOS should increase the number of zones where foes can be killed.


Now, if there's a killer rabbit in the game, he had it coming.

1,000 kills for the seasonal challenge in three designated areas. In dungeons/delves, mobs don't count, but in the overland, all you need to do is kill a harmless little animal with a light attack (they have 1 hp) to boost your score.
Does that seem fair to you?
I obviously refrain from this senseless hunt for squirrels, deer, or the cute little Nixads, but I'm outraged by the obscene spectacle of thousands of players mercilessly crushing everything that moves. It disgusts me.
But what was the need for that?
This game often stands out for protecting certain minorities, and I'm pleased. Why not protect the sensibilities of those who oppose the killing of innocent little animals?
What demonstration of skill or strength is firing a light attack at a hare or a heron?
I hope ZOS reconsiders, and along with the promised fix to the zone dungeons/delves, that ZOS does not continue to encourage this needless slaughter.

Arunei wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is a joke post/satire or something, but in case it isn't...I hate to say this, but it's a game. If you don't want to kill animals you don't have to, but let's not try to impose real-world morals on a video game or claim that 'killing' pixels on a screen is 'slaughter'. Also you already seem to know that mobs in Delves/Dungeons not counting is a bug, so the whole "is this fair" thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

If we feel our sensibilities stung by senseless slaughter, it's because it's natural for people with functioning empathy to feel for the suffering of others, and often even when we know the others aren't real. I mean, if games are "just games", what's the point of feeling moved by the characters of Baldur's Gate or Expedition 33? Or, for that matter, Romeo and Juliet?

Not saying I'd actually condemn the players who kill innocents in the game, but it's not pleasant to see either.

Agreed, he is one of the best things they put in the game in years.

He has a lot of neat lines, especially with old content. One of my favorites is when you complete an Abyssal Geyser in Summerset and he reacts with "Sometimes I wish our adventures were less ... damp. Var, var, var." but he will also make comments when you defeat dolmens in base games zone. Or when you summon a feline pet with him and he says "I wonder if Ja'kh will play nicely with your pet there. But I think he may be as shy in death as he was in life." I was actually pleasantly surprised with the amount of voice lines they gave him. Even for random things like using the Coin of Illusory Riches Momento he will shout "Heads. I call heads! ... I suppose that counts?".