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Re: Why is the Skill Style for Tome-Bearer's Inspiration ORANGE?
You are on many other posts commenting how you have no interest in the Tomes etc. Now a post to complain about something you have no interest in?
I am sure they will release a blue one to match the other blue.
I am sure they will release a blue one to match the other blue.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Whoa 3 digits worth of players, up there with Fortnite and CoD /sQueue last night was 130.
You are a very small minority of PvP players that like vengeance
You haven't logged into Cyrodiil on live for more than a year.
Is the pop cap even 3 digits? Of course Vengeance enjoyers would be a minority of active PvPers, because the target audience for Vengeance is the thousands who quit or who were never able to access PvP to begin with. They're leaving GH up for the 130 that still want it.
I don't log in because forum complaints mean little if you keep playing anyway. When play numbers keep dropping, the devs take notice, like they have in making drastic PvP changes.
xylena
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Re: It's time to NERF new DK.
DK is way too OP. I find it funny how people are ok with DK pretty much being able to cast grim focus 5 times in a row, having burst damage out of this world and much more but are mad about subclassing. They are basically the same: an imbalanced mess.
They could’ve just buffed DK to a reasonable level, so they can compete even more with the pure class buffs; as much as the other classes. Instead they listened to some clueless content creators that kept saying „moaaaar buffs, not strong enough!“, completely disregarding the consequences.
They could’ve just buffed DK to a reasonable level, so they can compete even more with the pure class buffs; as much as the other classes. Instead they listened to some clueless content creators that kept saying „moaaaar buffs, not strong enough!“, completely disregarding the consequences.
Arvedia
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Re: Werewolf Update From The Combat Refresh Team
Since shoulders were mentioned several times: A humanoid's shoulders are at the height of its collarbone. So basically here:
That creature doesn't have rounded or saggging shoulders; everything above that line is not shoulders, but the wolf just has a huge bull neck.
And if that neck would be reduced, you'd have the typical triangular torso shape again:
Now if those shoulders are broad enough of not, I have no opinion on that. Proportions don't look much different than on the old model, though.
What I do find weird is the hairstyle and those hair tufts on its forehead.
That creature doesn't have rounded or saggging shoulders; everything above that line is not shoulders, but the wolf just has a huge bull neck.
And if that neck would be reduced, you'd have the typical triangular torso shape again:
Now if those shoulders are broad enough of not, I have no opinion on that. Proportions don't look much different than on the old model, though.
What I do find weird is the hairstyle and those hair tufts on its forehead.
Syldras
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Re: I'm tired of soloing all the time.
I group with friends and guildies, not random strangers. A few gold mats or some gold or whatever isn't going to change that. At the end of the day, I'm playing for my enjoyment, not to provide a service to other players. If one wants to find groups, they may need to try some different guilds, reach out and meet some people, form some social connections.
Not saying this to try and sound elitist or be rude, just to make the point that there are many players out there who will group but won't do the sort of "forced or semi-forced random grouping" thing, regardless of how incentivized it is. I'm not saying they shouldn't try and incentivize people to group more spontaneously, but imo relying on random people to be available and group only fills in the gaps and isn't a real solution.
Not saying this to try and sound elitist or be rude, just to make the point that there are many players out there who will group but won't do the sort of "forced or semi-forced random grouping" thing, regardless of how incentivized it is. I'm not saying they shouldn't try and incentivize people to group more spontaneously, but imo relying on random people to be available and group only fills in the gaps and isn't a real solution.
Re: It's time to NERF new DK.
Sure. That's valid stance.
So then:
The other classes just need similar passes.
Until then there is zero reason to complain. You have access to both DKs and subclassing.
I play PvP.
I don't play DK, but I play against them, and there's clearly a difference compared to other classes.
I don't use subclassing for most of my PvP characters (only healers in battlegrounds, but not in Cyrodiil).
What you don't understand is that I'm not saying DKs aren't fun to play; they're probably very fun. But if your definition of fun is that you now easily crush other classes, then we have different definitions. We can easily make slight adjustments that allow for a slight rebalancing; we're not going to wait 150 years for all the classes to be rebalanced, that's ridiculous.
Note that I have two DK characters that I've tested, of course, and yes, I've noticed the change. It's completely different.
I maintain that this rework needs to be slightly modified.Using a DK subclass on your character makes you a DK in this discussion.WE'RE NOT ALL DKS!
You are having a very hard time with the idea that people who do not play DKs... at ALL, are supporting NOT nerfing the DK changes right now. You also assumed that I subclassed DK in a previous post when I pointed out that I did not play DK when I supported not nerfing the class. I do not have a DK character, and I do not subclass as a DK. I have not touched the DK skills or play in ANY regaurd as a DK. Yet am still on the side of "do not nerf, wait for all classes to get their turn before calling out for nerfs". So please stop assuming every person supporting the class is either DK or subclassing as one. Some of us want to see the changes roll out first before lighting each class that gets buffed on fire.
@Xarc can you at least admit the reality that this is something else you need to address in your argument, rather than just complaining about everyone you've died to in PvP
Malyore
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
This is about the current functionality rather than the update, but it will feed into considerations around carrying over points, and I can't see anywhere else to put it where it might get seen.
It's annoying that if you only have the basic, free version of a tome you have to earn far more points than you need to spend just to be allowed to 'unlock' a page.
For example I just finished page 3, I have 1,352 points banked and I need to earn another 1,228 to unlock page 4. But the 5 rewards on that page will only cost me 1,350 points to buy. Even if I went back and bought the useless consumables I don't want from previous pages unlocking page 4 still requires me to have 810 more points than I need to buy everything from it, and it looks like that's going to continue escalating as I go through the pages.
Considering tome points have absolutely no other use and all but 2000 will be deleted at the end of the season I can't see any reason for this except to add yet another form of pressure to pay for the tome just to get something to do with the excess points required to unlock a page. (And honestly for me it does the opposite, because I don't want to reward that kind of behaviour.). The items are already 'locked' behind earning enough points because they each have a cost, that's exactly how prices function.
If there has to be a seperate cost to unlock pages I think the maximum it should cost is the price of unlocking all the free items on the previous pages, not that plus the cost of all the items on the page and then several hundred more points as well.
It's annoying that if you only have the basic, free version of a tome you have to earn far more points than you need to spend just to be allowed to 'unlock' a page.
For example I just finished page 3, I have 1,352 points banked and I need to earn another 1,228 to unlock page 4. But the 5 rewards on that page will only cost me 1,350 points to buy. Even if I went back and bought the useless consumables I don't want from previous pages unlocking page 4 still requires me to have 810 more points than I need to buy everything from it, and it looks like that's going to continue escalating as I go through the pages.
Considering tome points have absolutely no other use and all but 2000 will be deleted at the end of the season I can't see any reason for this except to add yet another form of pressure to pay for the tome just to get something to do with the excess points required to unlock a page. (And honestly for me it does the opposite, because I don't want to reward that kind of behaviour.). The items are already 'locked' behind earning enough points because they each have a cost, that's exactly how prices function.
If there has to be a seperate cost to unlock pages I think the maximum it should cost is the price of unlocking all the free items on the previous pages, not that plus the cost of all the items on the page and then several hundred more points as well.
Danikat
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom So, the thing that confuses me about all this:
If the threshold to unlock a page is always higher than the costs of the things on the page, then what's the point of having the cost at all? Why not just make all the things 0-cost? Since the thing that actually matters is the threshold of unlocking each page.
Having items cost things just makes things confusing and muddies the intent that I think you're trying to convey.
So, the first problem is that people are confused about Tome Points to unlock pages vs. Tome Points to redeem a reward. On more than one occasion, I've talked to people who were hesitant to redeem a reward because they thought it would set back their page progress. You're using Tome Points in two different ways, and it's confusing people who haven't gone and read the article or help page (and why should they? systems like this should be intuitive, and if someone needs to read paragraphs to understand how it works, then you've failed the "is it intuitive?" test)
The second problem is that it frames the situation differently, when you assign a cost to individual items. I'm sure you've noticed in this thread a lot discontent over auto-claims of rewards and expiring points. And I'm pretty certain that's all because you needlessly assigned values to these items. By explicitly associating points to these things, you're now getting people to think of these points as a currency that is spent. But that's really not what this system is about!
And because each page's threshold needs to account for both the normal and premium tier things, this means that non-premium users are faced with a huge excess of points that they will then get upset about losing because you're telling them that it's a spendable currency!
This system is about: earning points to unlock reward levels ("pages") in the same way someone would earn XP to unlock levels. That's it. Get rid of the whole notion of Tome Points as a currency. Get rid of the whole notion of spending Tome Points. All of this is unnecessary, confusing, and it's framing the whole system in a negative way.
You need to treat Tome Points like an XP bar, rather than a spendable currency. These Tome Points then unlock levels of reward ("pages"). Each page will have a bunch of normal and premium items. No costs associated with each item. And when a user unlock a page, they can redeem the entire page. This is a way, way simpler way of framing the system. One that's more intuitive and less confusing. And more importantly, it avoids all the problems that you're currently dealing with in this thread: because earning excess XP and blowing past the final level is something that people can understand and wrap their minds around and are okay with. But telling them that they're earning excess spendable currency that you'll then yoink away from them at the end of a season is just begging for pitchforks.
Because the threshold to unlock each page is high enough to "purchase" everything on the page, in the end, the system that I describe is effectively identical to the system that currently exists. Except that you're no longer framing Tome Points as a spendable "currency" and getting all the associated confusion and backlash.
If the threshold to unlock a page is always higher than the costs of the things on the page, then what's the point of having the cost at all? Why not just make all the things 0-cost? Since the thing that actually matters is the threshold of unlocking each page.
Having items cost things just makes things confusing and muddies the intent that I think you're trying to convey.
So, the first problem is that people are confused about Tome Points to unlock pages vs. Tome Points to redeem a reward. On more than one occasion, I've talked to people who were hesitant to redeem a reward because they thought it would set back their page progress. You're using Tome Points in two different ways, and it's confusing people who haven't gone and read the article or help page (and why should they? systems like this should be intuitive, and if someone needs to read paragraphs to understand how it works, then you've failed the "is it intuitive?" test)
The second problem is that it frames the situation differently, when you assign a cost to individual items. I'm sure you've noticed in this thread a lot discontent over auto-claims of rewards and expiring points. And I'm pretty certain that's all because you needlessly assigned values to these items. By explicitly associating points to these things, you're now getting people to think of these points as a currency that is spent. But that's really not what this system is about!
And because each page's threshold needs to account for both the normal and premium tier things, this means that non-premium users are faced with a huge excess of points that they will then get upset about losing because you're telling them that it's a spendable currency!
This system is about: earning points to unlock reward levels ("pages") in the same way someone would earn XP to unlock levels. That's it. Get rid of the whole notion of Tome Points as a currency. Get rid of the whole notion of spending Tome Points. All of this is unnecessary, confusing, and it's framing the whole system in a negative way.
You need to treat Tome Points like an XP bar, rather than a spendable currency. These Tome Points then unlock levels of reward ("pages"). Each page will have a bunch of normal and premium items. No costs associated with each item. And when a user unlock a page, they can redeem the entire page. This is a way, way simpler way of framing the system. One that's more intuitive and less confusing. And more importantly, it avoids all the problems that you're currently dealing with in this thread: because earning excess XP and blowing past the final level is something that people can understand and wrap their minds around and are okay with. But telling them that they're earning excess spendable currency that you'll then yoink away from them at the end of a season is just begging for pitchforks.
Because the threshold to unlock each page is high enough to "purchase" everything on the page, in the end, the system that I describe is effectively identical to the system that currently exists. Except that you're no longer framing Tome Points as a spendable "currency" and getting all the associated confusion and backlash.
code65536
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
@ZOS_Kevin
Personally, the 2000 Tome Point limit is honestly kind of crazy for any reason, and the auto-claim system being implemented is an awful idea. Why would any company force players into receiving items they don’t want when they exceed the Tome Point cap, and then automatically convert any remaining points into gold and expect players to be happy with that outcome?
Auto-Claim and Auto-Gold Conversion should never be forced on any player, in any situation.
I’ve also noticed that players who purchased Premium or Premium Plus are actually punished more than those on the free tier, since everything converts across both tiers. That feels completely backwards.
Why would anyone want to be forced into spending when you go over the limit on things you don’t want at all?
I would much rather save my points and use them later on something I actually want.
For me and my wife, this honestly feels like a hit below the belt. It doesn’t feel fair in the slightest. At this point, it starts to feel like a “dump and run” situation, even after the time and money we’ve invested into ESO. I’m not going to feel locked into constantly grinding weekly or seasonal rewards just to spend points before they expire, especially when rollover isn’t even allowed. That’s simply not right.
My Thoughts:
1.) ESO Plus Should Remove the Cap
We already pay for ESO Plus, and in our opinion, that alone should remove the Tome Point cap, especially for annual subscribers. We received a large amount of Tome Points because of that subscription, which makes sense, but now it feels like it doesn’t matter. As we are being punished for having to many tome points
Instead, it’s become a “Spend it or Lose it” system, or worse “we’ll spend it for you” through auto-claim and auto-gold conversion at season rollover.
2.) Premium Plus Rewards Feel Worse Than Free Tier
We both purchased Premium Plus expecting the top-tier rewards to be worth it, only to realize that the rewards on the top paid tier are actually worse than the bottom free tier.
I genuinely don’t understand how things like Crown Crates, Trade Bars, Endeavors, and other high-value rewards ended up on the free track, while the paid track is filled with items many players won’t even use.
Personally, I don’t care much for outfit styles or skill styles, I’ll never use most of them and if i want them I'll buy them. Meanwhile, the free tier is packed with the things that actually matter.
Examples of Poor Premium Plus Paid Tier Rewards:
Transmute Crystals
Crown Lethal Poisons
Jewelry Crafting Research Crates
Adventuring Supply Packs
Gold Coast Poisons (Trapping / Draining)
Outfit Change Tokens
Alchemy Craft Bag
Gold
Crown Fortifying Meals
Crown Refreshing Drinks
To be blunt, these feel like low-value filler items. If anything, these should have been placed on the free tier if included at all, not on a paid tier that people are spending money on.
I usually Support ESO and Players within it and Avoid Complaining, but this genuinely feels like subscribers are being punished rather than rewarded, and that shouldn’t be the case. If anything, subscribing should enhance the experience, not make it worse.
It also feels exactly like what happened when we bought Premium Plus expecting strong rewards, only to find that the free tier had the better value with crates, trade bars, endeavors, and other meaningful items.
Final Point:
There shouldn’t be a cap on Trade Bars at all.
If the concern is players selling items, then simply remove the ability to sell those items on guild traders and bind them to the account. That would solve the issue without punishing players.
Bottom line:
This system feels restrictive, forced, and unfair, especially for paying players.
Personally, the 2000 Tome Point limit is honestly kind of crazy for any reason, and the auto-claim system being implemented is an awful idea. Why would any company force players into receiving items they don’t want when they exceed the Tome Point cap, and then automatically convert any remaining points into gold and expect players to be happy with that outcome?
Auto-Claim and Auto-Gold Conversion should never be forced on any player, in any situation.
I’ve also noticed that players who purchased Premium or Premium Plus are actually punished more than those on the free tier, since everything converts across both tiers. That feels completely backwards.
Why would anyone want to be forced into spending when you go over the limit on things you don’t want at all?
I would much rather save my points and use them later on something I actually want.
For me and my wife, this honestly feels like a hit below the belt. It doesn’t feel fair in the slightest. At this point, it starts to feel like a “dump and run” situation, even after the time and money we’ve invested into ESO. I’m not going to feel locked into constantly grinding weekly or seasonal rewards just to spend points before they expire, especially when rollover isn’t even allowed. That’s simply not right.
My Thoughts:
1.) ESO Plus Should Remove the Cap
We already pay for ESO Plus, and in our opinion, that alone should remove the Tome Point cap, especially for annual subscribers. We received a large amount of Tome Points because of that subscription, which makes sense, but now it feels like it doesn’t matter. As we are being punished for having to many tome points
Instead, it’s become a “Spend it or Lose it” system, or worse “we’ll spend it for you” through auto-claim and auto-gold conversion at season rollover.
2.) Premium Plus Rewards Feel Worse Than Free Tier
We both purchased Premium Plus expecting the top-tier rewards to be worth it, only to realize that the rewards on the top paid tier are actually worse than the bottom free tier.
I genuinely don’t understand how things like Crown Crates, Trade Bars, Endeavors, and other high-value rewards ended up on the free track, while the paid track is filled with items many players won’t even use.
Personally, I don’t care much for outfit styles or skill styles, I’ll never use most of them and if i want them I'll buy them. Meanwhile, the free tier is packed with the things that actually matter.
Examples of Poor Premium Plus Paid Tier Rewards:
Transmute Crystals
Crown Lethal Poisons
Jewelry Crafting Research Crates
Adventuring Supply Packs
Gold Coast Poisons (Trapping / Draining)
Outfit Change Tokens
Alchemy Craft Bag
Gold
Crown Fortifying Meals
Crown Refreshing Drinks
To be blunt, these feel like low-value filler items. If anything, these should have been placed on the free tier if included at all, not on a paid tier that people are spending money on.
I usually Support ESO and Players within it and Avoid Complaining, but this genuinely feels like subscribers are being punished rather than rewarded, and that shouldn’t be the case. If anything, subscribing should enhance the experience, not make it worse.
It also feels exactly like what happened when we bought Premium Plus expecting strong rewards, only to find that the free tier had the better value with crates, trade bars, endeavors, and other meaningful items.
Final Point:
There shouldn’t be a cap on Trade Bars at all.
If the concern is players selling items, then simply remove the ability to sell those items on guild traders and bind them to the account. That would solve the issue without punishing players.
Bottom line:
This system feels restrictive, forced, and unfair, especially for paying players.
