Absolute bangers of Argonian lorebooks from last year's Season of the Worm Cult!

Particularly loved the nod to the Hist's origins from the Annotated Anuad in The Amber Egg and the Cerulean Sea as well as the estabihment of Atak as a pre-Duskfall entity beyond just the Adzi-Kostleel in The Collected Writings of Tzinik-Muz. If possible, I'd be grateful if the forum moderators could pass on that we few lore nerds greatly appreciate the expanding culture and history of the Argonians and the subtle tie ins with older lore!

Lots of us old players hate it too, I'm a squish pure class Templar.

I will be spending a lot of time fighting my way out of the cemetary.

I just really can't understand why after 10+ years ZOS has not figured out a way to address this yet. Spam is spam, no means no, and this is not difficult.

Markytous wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The 100 Tel-Var limit is not working fine. It does not serve a purpose. Almost none of the complaints have been about queuing out during combat which pretty much everyone in the thread agreed needed to go.

The 100 Tel-Var limit is preventing people from queuing out during combat

EDIT: Unfortunately people are still queuing out with tons of Tel-Var because you can still queue to the other IC Campaign so go farm until they fix the exploit in the next hotfix.

Then why not check that you are in combat before allowing to teleport without attaching a number of TV to it? Such checks are clearly possible since you cannot mount in combat or cannot change gear in combat. Why are we not allowed to teleport then when we are NOT in combat (if the goal, as you say, to prevent teleporting in combat).

I'd rather they do two things:
1. Check for combat. If in combat, no teleport. Period.
2. Allow teleporting while not in combat with a loss of half of telvar (same as suiciding to a mob and spawning at the base with half TV).

This was proposed ad nauseam on PTS but was completely ignored.

Markytous wrote: »

Waits_Behind_Walls wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Enjoy the content that you like and let players who enjoy the brutal nature of Imperial City (the way it was initially designed) enjoy it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said I was going to do, and explained why. As for seeing more people since the patch, if you say so. I don't think anyone was avoiding the zone because it wasn't PVP enough or they didn't understand that was the purpose of it, so I don't see any reason why people would be drawn in now. Anyway.

If you want the zone populated, as has historically been the complaint about the PVP zones, it needs to be more enjoyable for different playstyles. The sewer gauntlet run is annoying when you're forced to do it, but probably wouldn't be bad as its own thing for its own sake. I wouldn't know, I just associate it with the drudgery of trying to exit the zone after I've already grown tired of playing. They could give people more options for exiting, like doors you pay Tel Var to use, or more options for dropping off Tel Var, like a smuggler who takes a cut. People have already suggested making the recall stones more easily obtained. The zone can become less burdenson without making it less PVP-oriented.

Its definitely more attractive to people who don't like exploits this update because literally the only thing thats changed is that you cannot cheat/exploit with queueouts during combat or imminent danger without a Sigil of Imperial Retreat. Its not a good hill to die on that the sky is falling because you cannot cheat/exploit anymore. Imperial City has increased in players since the update. Its an objective fact as of right now and could fall off at any time; as of now groups are running around again. People can cope about the reason why the population has increased, saying that its not because the exploit was removed, but that is the only change that has occurred in the content. Coping that people like exploits and come to games/content because the game lets them cheat is self-serving and disingenuous. The community at large, I believe, aren't a bunch of exploiters/cheaters. They're gamers who want to play grounded, diverse gameplay spaces with choices on how to play. If they want a more hardcore experience, Imperial City is there for them. Otherwise, there is an abundance of options outside of the Imperial City that are less daunting/consume less time commitment.

"I can't cheat the system anymore so Imperial City should not exist at all. Forget the people who enjoyed it for what it was since the beginning!" You were never forced to play Imperial City. If its not for you, play something else.

EDIT: I don't know a single game or game community that says things like "This game is good because of the hackers/cheaters in it".

1) You keep claiming it was an exploit that people could queue for Cyro and port from IC. Except you can still do that. Go into IC, queue into whatever campaign has high bars or is poplocked while under 100 TV, do IC till the queue pops, leave. Did the queue pop too fast? Go back into IC, dump your TV, rinse and repeat.

Or better yet, run around until you get the TV you want and then queue for a Random Daily Dungeon with a friend who's playing tank (or just mark yourself as a tank) and get a near instant port out. You can queue for BG too, because both of those queues aren't blocked even if you have more than 100 TV. BG queue would probably take longer so you could theoretically queue for that and then run around, and leave once the queue pops, same with queuing for a Dungeon if you aren't a tank. And again, if it pops too soon, just go back in and do it all over again.

If porting out immediately was considered an exploit, if porting out at all was considered an exploit, why are various ways to still do both still available? Also you keeping acting like everyone who did it was cheating; it clearly wasn't a cheat if they've coded it to work the way it does currently. Aka there still being ways to port out (again pretty much guaranteed immediately if you queue as a tank for a Random Daily Dungeon.

2) You claim there's evidence that the change has made IC more populated. Where is that proof? Unless you have actual solid objective numbers having increased, you cannot claim there is evidence. There's a difference between THINKING something is true because of your own experiences and KNOWING it's true because there are actual official stats to back it up.

You feeling you're seeing more people does not necessarily mean the change has actually brought back a substantial number of players who are consistently playing in IC now. It just means there might be a handful of people who are coming to see how the changes feel/work. The real test of whether this ACTUALLY encourages more people to be in the Zone will be if in a couple of months there are continued consistent increased numbers.

My guy ESO doesn't even support DLSS 4 (FrameGen), there's 0 chance it'll support 5.

Bottomline: PVP in IC needed to be incentivesed. Make people want to go there and PVP and nobody will be porting out for Cyro. It's not complicated. Instead they took a suffering zone and made it terminal.

Markytous wrote: »

Waits_Behind_Walls wrote: »

Markytous wrote: »

Enjoy the content that you like and let players who enjoy the brutal nature of Imperial City (the way it was initially designed) enjoy it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I said I was going to do, and explained why. As for seeing more people since the patch, if you say so. I don't think anyone was avoiding the zone because it wasn't PVP enough or they didn't understand that was the purpose of it, so I don't see any reason why people would be drawn in now. Anyway.

If you want the zone populated, as has historically been the complaint about the PVP zones, it needs to be more enjoyable for different playstyles. The sewer gauntlet run is annoying when you're forced to do it, but probably wouldn't be bad as its own thing for its own sake. I wouldn't know, I just associate it with the drudgery of trying to exit the zone after I've already grown tired of playing. They could give people more options for exiting, like doors you pay Tel Var to use, or more options for dropping off Tel Var, like a smuggler who takes a cut. People have already suggested making the recall stones more easily obtained. The zone can become less burdenson without making it less PVP-oriented.

Its definitely more attractive to people who don't like exploits this update because literally the only thing thats changed is that you cannot cheat/exploit with queueouts during combat or imminent danger without a Sigil of Imperial Retreat. Its not a good hill to die on that the sky is falling because you cannot cheat/exploit anymore. Imperial City has increased in players since the update. Its an objective fact as of right now and could fall off at any time; as of now groups are running around again. People can cope about the reason why the population has increased, saying that its not because the exploit was removed, but that is the only change that has occurred in the content. Coping that people like exploits and come to games/content because the game lets them cheat is self-serving and disingenuous. The community at large, I believe, aren't a bunch of exploiters/cheaters. They're gamers who want to play grounded, diverse gameplay spaces with choices on how to play. If they want a more hardcore experience, Imperial City is there for them. Otherwise, there is an abundance of options outside of the Imperial City that are less daunting/consume less time commitment.

"I can't cheat the system anymore so Imperial City should not exist at all. Forget the people who enjoyed it for what it was since the beginning!" You were never forced to play Imperial City. If its not for you, play something else.

EDIT: I don't know a single game or game community that says things like "This game is good because of the hackers/cheaters in it".

Well, hold on a minute there.

For starters, you are taking alot and I mean like alot of people and putting us all in the same bucket as being exploiters/cheaters. Ok, so that's not fair and it isn't nice and it shows a complete lack of empathy for those of us getting this notion projected at us unjustifiably. People aren't mad that they patched the server, I mean in fairness, this is something that should have been fixed ages ago. What needs to be understood is the reason we're kind of sad is because this means, no more casual farming no more casual experience. See before, there was always the possibility of getting you know attacked and losing out. The chance was always there. But many of us, many that I know, alot of people left Cyrodiil to go there because it made better sense to spend the time doing something gainful, yet still PvP related in IC.

We left Cyrodiil to get away from the meta crowd. I'll just say it. There's lots of people in Cyrodiil with these super strong meta builds that cut thru dozens of people like butter and just like with the ball groups, there is no PvP when they come around. Just everyone dying, sitting there unable to move due to CC and dropping out. It's depressing and I used to love Cyrodiil PvP but the metas are so strong like there is no fight, they gap close, CC and you're done. Why in the hell should I work so hard on my toons and subject myself to that kind of abuse repeatedly? Especially on certain factions, having no healers, no rez, no one cares unless you're with a Guild. And if you're someone like me and the Guild don't like you, for whatever reason, many times there is no reason... they just do what they want and so that's how you know you're an Orc when people treat you that bad over just stupid things while pretending to be 'quality' themselves.

Anyways, getting back on track, it was nice to do casual farming in IC, maybe even perhaps a short hunt or two and then just leave you know? It was nice. There was no exploiting or cheating going on. No more than the people abusing CC and anim canceling. Abuse and violence are reckless cycles. That's why the long faces because what once was a pleasant and more casual experience has turned into a Federal Prison; A maximum lockup on the lower East side.

Markytous wrote: »

All patting one's self on the back aside, the reasoning fails to coincide with the fact that the exploit is on its way out of the game completely, clearly showing the intent of the current dev team and what the vision of the Imperial City aught to be. Players looking to not participate in amorphous PvPvE gameplay where their opponent might just vanish suddenly out of fear of losing are now returning to the Imperial City for the first time in a long time. Contending with this fact is the challenge, one can suppose.

Yeah, no. I don’t know where you’re getting all of these mythical PVP players returning to IC like it’s a healed ecosystem, but the place is a ghost town when I go in. I’ll see maybe three people in an hour if I’m lucky.

To be clear, I like PVP. I enjoy fights and will engage with both IC and Cyrodiil. But when I went into IC before, I’d farm for a bit, leave to bank what I got, come back, farm some more, and so on. I’d do this about three or four times in a session.

Sigils of Imperial Retreat cost 10,000 AP a pop. Do you think I want to spend 30,000 to 50,000 AP every night just for the “privilege” of not walking somewhere for ten minutes and soaking up a bunch of load screens? Does anyone want to do that?