Poss wrote: »

Brace yourself for an influx of pvers about to give you their wisdom on why Vengeance is better

Is Greyhost disabled again? Please say it isn’t

It is disabled again, for that week only.

It has also been confirmed that permaVengeance will drop in U50 alongside Grey Host as the two options

So, some of you are saying chapters, with all of the different content they had were formulaic, but a chore list of doing the same thing multiple times is not?

That’s irony at its finest. I guess you like busy work.

What it really boils down to, I guess, is that some people are just playing for the social aspect.

Let me preface this by saying that I appreciate the communication and transparency but I have some concerns about the system. I’ve been a gamer for a very long time now and to me the Tome is very obviously just another battle pass. Those are fine but they’re typically used in games that don’t have a subscription model so the premium section not being auto unlocked for ESO+ members just seems wrong to me.

That’s more of a general concern but as far as specifics go, I just don’t understand the reason behind gating pages behind a certain threshold of tome points when it’s quite literally impossible to spend those points given the prices of what’s on offer. The season is just a few days in and I already have more than enough points to buy everything in the free section but for some reason I have to earn another 8000 points to unlock the pages, 8000 points that I literally can’t use because there is nothing to spend them on and only 2000 of which will roll over. Even if you factor in the premium offerings you still need to earn far more points than are necessary to buy everything just to unlock the pages. There is clearly a big miscalculation going on with these values and that’s definitely something you need to look into.

Destai wrote: »

Chapters were nice because you knew roughly what you were getting. A new zone with the same checklist and some small features. While that did get stale, it set player expectations. We didn't need to be constantly informed, checking roadmaps and other official communications, to know when XYZ feature is coming out.

Now that we're in a seasonal model - the only takeaway I want is more packaging. So for this season, the features are being spread out in a confusing way. For instance, the art for the Season is focused around the Night Market, which isn't out yet. It's the flagship feature of the reason - right? - and didn't launch with the season opening. That's an odd choice.

There's a balance to be had and I think they're still figuring that out in yet another transition year. Season flagships should launch with the season. I'm fine with the class reworks releasing independently of that.

Exactly. By saying you are okay with not getting chapters you (not you personally but the hypothetical “you”) are saying I’m okay with getting less. Less is not very quantifiable, it could be slightly less or it could be significantly less. The delayed timing also makes it feel worse right now. This game has been traveling down a rocky road for the last year or more, it really needs to get back onto smooth payment quickly.

The changes already are making the game feel less like Elder Scrolls to me. I hope they can do something to correct that. I used to spend a few minutes to crank out a few Endeavors and then go do something I want to do, now I look at this long chore list (kill 1000 enemies in 3 zones is just one of them) and think wow, I’d like to go do this other thing but I need to get started on these chores.

shadoza wrote: »

DeathandDebauchery wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

But I really feel like you guys are over complicating this whole thing. All you have to do is let them carryover. That's it. It's pretty bewildering that you guys are going through a whole development effort to make an auto-claimer and gold conversion system, instead of just having a more generous rollover.

This right here. The only rational explanation is money grab, and that is not player friendly.

I do not understand why players want the points to carry over. IF one can earn enough points to purchase everything in the book, why does anyone want extra points? As I see it, pages unlock by earning challenge points, so having extra points at the start of the challenge does not give you options to spend on more desired items at the last pages. By the time you reach the last pages, you have already earned enough new points to purchase everything again.
If the points were allowed to accumulate, later, players will complain that they have thousands of points and nothing to spend them on.

Will you explain your position regarding these statements?

The most basic reason, is because we earned them. If they don't want points to carry over, then they should lower the amount needed for unlocking the pages. Making us earn currency that can't be spent, to just have to watch it expire is very demotivating towards earning it.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Just a massive money grab for junk.

I like that I won't have to pay any money this year that I wasn't already paying (my sub) and I'll still be getting new story content and features. The quantity and quality of said content remains to be seen, but honestly that was already the case with chapters. Even if we get less than we got in previous years, I'm still saving money, and I appreciate the new focus on quality of life and moving away from predictable formulas.

The money grab is only a money grab if you buy into it. I'm quite comfortable passing on the junk I don't need.

cyberjanet wrote: »

I agree with OP. Your daily reward now is the 15 tome points. If you know that you actually have to click on them and claim them.

I actually did the math on this in another thread. If you log in every day for 90 days (and happen to not complete any of the other challenges), you do not even earn enough Tome Points to unlock the second free page in the tome. You're limited to the first page. Which is five rewards.

Whereas in the old system, if you logged in for 90 days, you'd get 90 free rewards. You may not have used all of them... but the odds of getting something you can use or like are much higher receiving 90 rewards vs. 5!

If, through completing other challenges, you are able to unlock all of the pages in the Tome, which are 10 pages without paying anything, 5 rewards per page x 10 gives you a possible 50 rewards per month, instead of 90.

I have not tried to do any kind of comparison for the value of the rewards, since it's going to vary by season and it used to vary by month, but I do think ZOS tried to give us more desirable free rewards.

shadoza wrote: »

DeathandDebauchery wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

But I really feel like you guys are over complicating this whole thing. All you have to do is let them carryover. That's it. It's pretty bewildering that you guys are going through a whole development effort to make an auto-claimer and gold conversion system, instead of just having a more generous rollover.

This right here. The only rational explanation is money grab, and that is not player friendly.

I do not understand why players want the points to carry over. IF one can earn enough points to purchase everything in the book, why does anyone want extra points? As I see it, pages unlock by earning challenge points, so having extra points at the start of the challenge does not give you options to spend on more desired items at the last pages. By the time you reach the last pages, you have already earned enough new points to purchase everything again.
If the points were allowed to accumulate, later, players will complain that they have thousands of points and nothing to spend them on.

Will you explain your position regarding these statements?

I want points to carry over because I earned them and want to spend them at my discretion. I don’t want to be compelled to spend them in ways I would not normally.

While I can exhaust them, I would like to have the option to buy a higher priority item when it inevitably arrives next season.

There’s more than enough content in these, they’ll get their money, the solution just needs to better respect player agency IMO.

I don't even like most messages that are being left on the forums 😅

The College of Winterhold should be something that feels important right now. I hope they don't just copy-paste the ruins. I also hope they remember the librarian is supposed to be alive during this era. I want to see what it was like before the destruction.