spartaxoxo wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

When I did that quest I thought perhaps the writers were somewhat mocking us for our comments about the writing here, and I remembered that I made a some not-so-flattering comments about the new Lord of the Rongs series that was adapted for “modern audiences”.

Well, FFXIV just had a patch yesterday that seemed to do the same thing. One of the biggest criticisms of their last expansion was that the player character took a backseat to an unpopular NPC who became the main character of the expansion.

Yesterday they added a quest where another NPC was cast as the main character of a specific quest, and they have a dialogue option where your PC says "What? I'm not the main character?" and then sulks.

I have no idea what is wrong with Devs who think poking fun at concerns of fans is a good thing.

Lol I have a typo there and there is no way to edit these posts!

If you mean "Lord of the Rongs," there, then I'd just like to say for me that's a happy accident because I thought it was a joke and found it comedy gold lol.

You get an awesome for seeing that in my mistake!

I notice that I am unable to edit any of my posts in this thread for whatever reason. The wheel is just not there.

shadoza wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Martiandawn wrote: »

There is an old adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." ESO has over three million active users, with 150,000 to 200,000 online daily. If you were to poll those users, I am certain the overwhelming majority would have said they did not want the Daily Login Reward or the Daily Endeavors to go away. Most of them probably had no idea that was even something under discussion.

There's a Reddit poll where the overwhelming majority said they were happy that it's gone.

Reddit does not represent the majority. It is a group of like-minded people who all have the same demeanor. The poll should be here or it should be in game.

Okay there's one on the forums now too if you want to vote.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689348/are-you-a-fan-of-the-changes-coming-to-daily-rewards-or-did-you-want-it-to-stay-the-old-way#latest

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

I do not have a Reddit account so was unable to vote in your poll. Also, I am not going to create a Reddit account just to vote in your poll. If I could have voted in your poll my vote would be "I don't care." I hope that helps you out with your poll.

Poll.

Valid hahaha. Yeah I am taking the other commenters advice and making one here on the official forums too. It won't hurt me to have two sets of data.

Thanks for the input!

khajiit loved 3 team bgs. absolutely loved them. sometimes khajiit got face eaten, sometimes khajiit ate so many faces, but nearly always had good times.

khajiit did 2 team twice. both times this one was camped, somehow debuffed for 2billion minutes, and just generally had the absolute worst time by far in any game this one had ever played, since being a ja-khajiit in the early 80s and playing first computer games on an apple ][e.

So until 3 teams return BGs can kiss Namira's crusty nethers as far as khajiit is concerned. Apologies for rudeness but this one is still salty

Oh I beat ya to it by a few minutes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689346/do-you-like-the-daily-login-endeavor-changes-a-poll#latest

Guess you saw the same comments I did about the Reddit poll. Since you made the OG Reddit poll, I'll ask the mods to go ahead and close mine. My bad

katanagirl1 wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

When I did that quest I thought perhaps the writers were somewhat mocking us for our comments about the writing here, and I remembered that I made a some not-so-flattering comments about the new Lord of the Rongs series that was adapted for “modern audiences”.

Well, FFXIV just had a patch yesterday that seemed to do the same thing. One of the biggest criticisms of their last expansion was that the player character took a backseat to an unpopular NPC who became the main character of the expansion.

Yesterday they added a quest where another NPC was cast as the main character of a specific quest, and they have a dialogue option where your PC says "What? I'm not the main character?" and then sulks.

I have no idea what is wrong with Devs who think poking fun at concerns of fans is a good thing.

Lol I have a typo there and there is no way to edit these posts!

If you mean "Lord of the Rongs," there, then I'd just like to say for me that's a happy accident because I thought it was a joke and found it comedy gold lol.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Oh I beat ya to it by a few minutes.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/689346/do-you-like-the-daily-login-endeavor-changes-a-poll#latest

Guess you saw the same comments I did about the Reddit poll. Since you made the OG Reddit poll, I'll ask the mods to go ahead and close mine. My bad

Oh! LOL, I appreciate that

And really its my fault for being a dunce and not doing two to begin with lmao. Sorry, and thanks again!

Radiate77 wrote: »

Of course people came back and left shortly…
there was no new content.

You can add a million new ways to do combat, but if the content you’re fighting isn’t improved in a significant way, none of it matters.

So... Lep Seclusa, Exiled Redoubt, the zone of Solstice, Ossein Cage, Naj-Caldeesh, and Black Gem Foundry didn't exist?

Look, I'm really annoyed with the quality of 2025's year and the way it was done. It was less that before... if you're specifically only looking at casual things like Companions and Tales of Tribute. However, we did actually go back up to four dungeons from two the two previous years, and one of those new ones had one of the best hard modes we've had in a while.

I know that for people who are major fans of Subclassing, it's very difficult to hear that Subclassing is not liked by other people. It's even harder to consider that some people are leaving the game from it, especially if it's the one thing that brought you back.

But remember: most of the people who are talking about the population suffering play at endgame level. Endgame did technically get as much content as we have every year (1 trial and 2 dungeons), and in fact endgame dungeoners got back to the level we did in 2022 (4 dungeons). PvP endgame also kinda got what they got every year, which was... really nothing outside of a handful of RftW sets. In fact, Subclassing added to what is the big endgame activity in theorycrafting. And yet the major exodus was from the endgamers, who are not chasing Companions or Tribute clues. Most complaints are from endgame trials and endgame PvPers who are annoyed by the fact that one setup is ridiculously better than anything else, and that they're forced into it if they intend to compete.

After Subclassing released, and before the U47 patch released, we got the "How did Subclassing and basegame Scribing affect your play?" thread, which definitely was giving "post-mortem try to find out why the playerbase didn't appreciate it as much as expected," especially considering the questions were presented in a way that implied that we were expected to have liked Subclassing and it made it easier and more fun to complete content. Reading between the lines, it definitely feels like the team expected people to jump on Subclassing, for a lot of lapsed players to come back, and for everything to be wonderful... and the fact that they did that implies that that was not the case. And then, we get a whole Class survey, which notably asked for opinions of the Classes in the absence of Subclassing.

Do we have the data? No. But never before have they had to have a post-mortem on a feature they added. The post-mortems we've gotten before were from events that went poorly or for releases that were giant bugfests. But not a new feature. And nobody anywhere needs to do post-mortems on something that worked well. Logically, it looks like Subclassing was not the victory lap that it was intended to be at all, and - even though there are people who love it and will defend it to the death - that feeling is evidently not shared among the entire playerbase.

Besides, if "oh, there was just not enough content" was the entire reason for the exodus last year, then why is even less planned for this year? Especially if we're talking about endgamers, you would think that they'd fast-track more endgame stuff like dungeons to bring them back, not get rid of dungeons completely, right? Or if people didn't like Solstice as a zone, then the answer would be to make a bigger new zone the next year, not to go a year without. But that's what we have coming up this year. Instead, we're getting two years of Class reworks to rebalance everything (which also means no new Classes for at least another two years, which is definitely something that would bring players in based on precedent from every Class-based RPG ever), and now they're even talking about Class Mastery as a thing specifically for players who prefer to play without Subclassing.

Player count on steam is at an all time low.

Subclassing was made for casuals who played the game sparingly, all the TES fans who screamed how this would bring them back to the game, played eso for 5 minutes and then left and never looked back again, once they realised they didnt like the game to begin with

Which is why zos went into panick mode, sent out surveys and are going back to reinforcing class identity to bring back and keep the players who was allways here for 10 years and enjoyed the game the way it was.

Catering to players who was never into this game to begin with was a bad move