Just to clarify, I didn't necessarily mean Vestige level in particular, but anything above "normal." I was just wanting to coin and use the term "Vestigitize"-- although I'm wondering if "Vestigify" or "Vestigitate" sound better? The noun forms of those would be "Vestigitization," "Vestigification," and "Vestigitation," if that helps anyone decide.

Gonna set it to the hardest difficulty i can reasonably manage. Vestige might be a little too ridiculous.

I'll do every quest in the game on Vestige mode, hoping it will feel nice to not one tap a world threat.

play again Orsinium to Summerset all main story line
but first i need zos add replay story system or make my 4th nightblade ...

Xarc wrote: »

Vraedlich wrote: »

The other classes just need similar passes.

Until then there is zero reason to complain. You have access to both DKs and subclassing.

I play PvP.
I don't play DK, but I play against them, and there's clearly a difference compared to other classes.
I don't use subclassing for most of my PvP characters (only healers in battlegrounds, but not in Cyrodiil).

What you don't understand is that I'm not saying DKs aren't fun to play; they're probably very fun. But if your definition of fun is that you now easily crush other classes, then we have different definitions. We can easily make slight adjustments that allow for a slight rebalancing; we're not going to wait 150 years for all the classes to be rebalanced, that's ridiculous.

Note that I have two DK characters that I've tested, of course, and yes, I've noticed the change. It's completely different.
I maintain that this rework needs to be slightly modified.

Malyore wrote: »

WE'RE NOT ALL DKS!

Using a DK subclass on your character makes you a DK in this discussion.

You are having a very hard time with the idea that people who do not play DKs... at ALL, are supporting NOT nerfing the DK changes right now. You also assumed that I subclassed DK in a previous post when I pointed out that I did not play DK when I supported not nerfing the class. I do not have a DK character, and I do not subclass as a DK. I have not touched the DK skills or play in ANY regaurd as a DK. Yet am still on the side of "do not nerf, wait for all classes to get their turn before calling out for nerfs". So please stop assuming every person supporting the class is either DK or subclassing as one. Some of us want to see the changes roll out first before lighting each class that gets buffed on fire.

I mean, just look at these new run animations!

https://youtube.com/shorts/9__96wp3pNc?si=fLP5t0LFXC_B7Eag

MoonPile wrote: »

I'd only add that the mats-in-dungeon thing would highly depend on which dungeon and how many guaranteed mats, because I really don't want any rehash, ever, of Mora's glass eyeballs in Scrivener's Hall. One of the most annoying things they've ever done regarding materials, helped only by the fact that they're now also attainable by chance via IA... another dungeon, and endless at that -_- I don't really want to do either.

Obviously a single dungeon that exclusively rewards furnishing materials would not be ideal -- my intention was to show decorators as a category aren't afraid of working hard to achieve our goals, the same as any other group of players. Very few people posting here are novices at the game. I have hardmode trial clears, and those weren't carries. I did my share of the work. I saw you use a statue of Yolnahkriin in one of your builds, which means you've done hardmode veteran Sunspire. The thing decorators are very reasonably unhappy about is that there is no reasonable amount of hard work that rewards them with the things they need to decorate. That's not been put in the game. The problem with overworld enemies is that it's just further work, annoyances, that provide zero rewards, and that's not an imposition other kinds of players have to contend with. Even trash mobs in trials can drop trial gear.

Ideally we would have a class of content that exists to give us the things we need for decorating. Several dungeons or trials. Puzzles. Heists. Something we can commit 30 to 60 minutes of playtime to without silly, meaningless interruptions, and make a measurable amount of progress towards our goals. That's not an unreasonable desire! That's the essence of the MMO genre.

Imagine, for the rest of you, if about every two minutes when you're in a battleground, a trial, or a dungeon, the UI changes to the housing editor, and you have to put down a single furnishing before you're allowed to go back to doing the thing you're actually trying to do. That's the style of imposition presented by hostile overworld trash. It doesn't matter that it's trivial - people posting builds and saying it's a skill issue are missing the point (Victernus and I are rocking Ansuuls, Velothi's, and Null Arca, which we earned with hard work.) It exists solely to slow one down. Not to challenge, reward, interest, immerse, entice, engage. Impede.

Admittedly, I love Scrivener's Hall. I think it's a cleverly designed dungeon, I enjoy its quirks. But man, it does not reward enough Glass Eyes to justify the work it requires. I even have the benefit of having a premade that runs with me and is perfectly happy to give me any glass eyes they get. And again, I think locking a class of reward into a single piece of content is a mistake. It's a recipe for resentment and burnout.

Honestly, until all classes are reworked, they should put a debuff in PvP that reduces their damage on their abilities as its literally ridiculous how much damage they are actually doing to my fully pvp geared healer.

I can see them running around only spamming molten whip, nothing else.. jump ult > molten whip > gg.. working as intended?

Either reduce them or lift the healing debuff so we can compete.

Xarc wrote: »

The DKs don't want to change anything.

But don't come crying when the new sorcerer one-shots you.

There are two kinds of PvPer. Those who scream for nerfs when they don't like whatever killed them, and those of us who know the flavour of the month will eventually change, and in the interim will focus on learning to counter and beat the current top meta builds.

The players most likely to complain about sorcs will be complaining about wardens soon, and most class revamps we get. Other than hoping the flappy bird gets grounded, I'm looking forward to having my sorc revamped and seeing more pure classes in PvP again.

If Gray Host and Vengeance are going to be the only PvP Cyrodiil zones going forward, at least that's what I think I heard, how about turning one of those others you intend to close into a PvE zone instead? @ZOS_Kevin