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Re: [Suggestion] Make All Quests Repeatable
BardokRedSnow wrote: »But yea, eso is a spinoff and most fans do not want any feature crossovers, what works here would not translate well to the main series in my opinion. I especially dont want "dragon knight" and "templar" or "arcanist" to be a thing in the lore, the combat and concept of magic is so vastly different in the main series its like a different world sometimes, which I never did like about eso but just got used to and dismissed it as "2nd Era magic", which does kind of work. There's abilities and powers from earlier eras closer to the dawn era that are much different from the 3rd and 4th era, but thats lore stuff.
Not to de-rail my own thread, but classes aren't inherantly anti-TES. They existed in the earlier games and to some extent in the latter ones, but the difference was as the "chosen one" the player could always go beyond them.
They do fit in the lore when you look around. Mages Guild - A guild of sorcerers. Fighters Guild - A guild of warrior types. Dark Brotherhood/Morag Tong/Thieves Guild - Packed with Nightblades. There are Templar's im TES history, though usually by a different name. An Arcanist is simply a mage who specialised in Aporcryphal magic. Warden's are druids. Necromancers are the most famed/infamous career because of Mannimarco.
Edit: Basically unlike other TES games, there is nothing inherantly special about the player, other than having their soul ripped out and retrieved. There is no grand destiny, we are simply pawns of the various deities just like the NPCs.
Re: [Suggestion] Make All Quests Repeatable
BardokRedSnow wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »mdjessup4906 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.
Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls
Um...
The Elder Scrolls is a group of single player games that have been very successful. Elder Scrolls Online ìs based off of these but it is multiplayer, which is very different from single player games in how we play. Even though they are using many of the same zones and lore they are separate games.
All of the elder scrolls games are separate games. Yes, ESO is a spin-off. But also none of the games really play the same.
I especially dont want "dragon knight" and "templar" or "arcanist" to be a thing in the lore, the combat and concept of magic is so vastly different in the main series its like a different world sometimes, which I never did like about eso but just got used to and dismissed it as "2nd Era magic", which does kind of work. There's abilities and powers from earlier eras closer to the dawn era that are much different from the 3rd and 4th era, but thats lore stuff.
The only thing I can think of that I'd ever want from eso to a very very small extent is better mounts. A Direwolf in skyrim would have been pretty cool. But that is literally it.
To be fair, the lore behind the classes don’t all make sense in ESO either. Dragonknight is specifically Tscaesci iirc. Warden is ???? opposite of Vvardenfell?
Sorcerers are how I tend to play skyrim… bound bow, 2 dremora. Miraak is an Arcanist (sans book). It could be argued Vigilants of Stendarr are Templars. Shadowscales are Nightblades. Necromancers are uhhh…… everywhere.
I have a mod I use in every Oldrim playthrough that has a whole lot of immersive mount options. It’s a player house.
Soarora
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Re: [Suggestion] Make All Quests Repeatable
SilverBride wrote: »mdjessup4906 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.
Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls
Um...
The Elder Scrolls is a group of single player games that have been very successful. Elder Scrolls Online ìs based off of these but it is multiplayer, which is very different from single player games in how we play. Even though they are using many of the same zones and lore they are separate games.
All of the elder scrolls games are separate games. Yes, ESO is a spin-off. But also none of the games really play the same.
The main series generally does. The earlier games are a good deal different because of age mostly but for instance they're all open world, even Arena, they all are first person, I think morrowind was the first without a mod to include third person, but even still theyre all designed with first person perspective in mind. Third never honestly felt right to me.
The first person thing was such a big deal that eso pretty much had to include it for fans to not get upset, but in retrospect honestly its so unfitting for this game that its really not needed, though I appreciate it when tanking at times. There was spellcrafting in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion, sadly not Skyrim. Things change but there's definitely a lot of overlap especially since the games all were made on the same old ass game engine at least since Morrowind, pretty sure.
But yea, eso is a spinoff and most fans do not want any feature crossovers, what works here would not translate well to the main series in my opinion. I especially dont want "dragon knight" and "templar" or "arcanist" to be a thing in the lore, the combat and concept of magic is so vastly different in the main series its like a different world sometimes, which I never did like about eso but just got used to and dismissed it as "2nd Era magic", which does kind of work. There's abilities and powers from earlier eras closer to the dawn era that are much different from the 3rd and 4th era, but thats lore stuff.
The only thing I can think of that I'd ever want from eso to a very very small extent is better mounts. A Direwolf in skyrim would have been pretty cool. But that is literally it.
Home editor furnishings 30% discount?
Sorry if I missed some news somewhere, but are furnishings through the home editor discounted for some reason? Black Fredas? When will it end?
Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »[*] Scenario 1: We would open a Vengeance Cyrodiil campaign sometime next year with a special ruleset based on the previous and upcoming tests, and leave Grey Host open as it is now.
[*] Scenario 2: We would close all existing Cyrodiil campaigns and open one or two Vengeance ruleset campaigns sometime next year.
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As a dev team, Scenario 1 is the one we strongly prefer and is the most likely. We want you to have a choice between playing in Vengeance or Gray Host, and would closely monitor both campaign populations to help inform any additional actions we should take moving forward.
We recognize that some of our players would prefer there be no changes to their characters, effectively how they are in the Gray Host Cyrodiil campaign, while enjoying the higher population and reduced latency/game performance issues of the Vengeance campaign. This is not something that will be possible. Based on what we have learned from the tests so far, we can offer one or the other, not both, and we want to be transparent about that.
Are we actually supposed to believe ZOS prefers scenario #1????
There has been absolutely (ABSOLUTELY) zero evidence to support the claim that you prefer to keep Cyrodiil as is for PvPrs. This is truly remarkable, we knew all along the intention of Vengenace was to enact scenario #2. The fact that y'all are now finally saying it, but still drudging our hope along is wild. Just tell us what is happening! Do we stop playing the game or not? That’s what it boils down to. Are you investing in us the same as we are to you? The answer is historically no, but at what point do you do good on the fan base that came to ESO for Cyrodiil.
If I were to make a guess, they'll probably start with scenario 1, and hope that the GH crowd moves to the new game mode so that in time they can switch to scenario 2 without upsetting a large part of what's left of the current pvp mains. If the new game mode can offer the live cyro experience without the performance issues, that would probably be the best path forward.
Just being honest. I’m on an Xbox Series X, I don’t see the performance problems everyone talks about. I remember on the old gen I did. The issues I see aren’t even related to Cyrodiil, I lag out from time to time in my menu or in dungeons. I never lag out in Cyrodiil.
And also, “the best path forward” for who? We have a decade of memories in Cyrodiil and still log in nightly making more. A new “smaller” mode cannot replace what we have.
Tired of the smoke and mirrors.
I'm just trying to be realistic, even though I've always been opposed to the idea of vengeance replacing current cyrodiil permanently. Large pop cap GH is a laggy mess. Current pop cap cyrodiil is less bad (until a ball group shows up), but only has 1 or 2 keep fight at any given time on that huge map. A smaller version of current cyrodiil is basically the only option that's left if we want to keep the buildcrafting aspect that makes it so interesting.
Yea I understand but there’s a difference in being realistic and being complacent. I don’t think they have any intention on keeping Scenario 1 in the cards even if they go that route (first). Again, I don’t really see the performance issues people speak about. IMO, saying the best path forward is this path, is not true FOR ME. And I am not alone.
I hear what you're saying, I have thousands of hours of fond memories playing cyrodiil myself, and would be very sad to see GH disappear. And like I said, if I were to guess, I also don't expect them to keep GH alive in the long term.
And you're obviously entitled to have the opinion you have, I'm not trying to be contrarian. But the main question you should ask yourself is how much fun GH will be if the people who are left playing it are suddenly spread across 3 different game modes? If GH only manages to fill 2 or 3 bars, and only during prime time, wouldn't that make it functionally dead? Personally I'd prefer it if all of those players were funneled into a smaller, more performant, and more densely populated map that still offers the same experience.
The assumption that people who currently play in GH would leave for the other modes is what I disagree with, any PvPer you talk to, the main gripe is balance, not performance. The new modes aren’t offering value beyond performance which isn’t something I’m even griping about.
SneaK
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Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
Interesting, thats the first time ever the current Popcap is shown, so its 360 on live.
I am a bit shocked that scenario 2 is even communicated, for me that means its an actual possibility that you consider to drop all usual campaigns...I am not sure how I feel about that.
Also I would love to see those survey results like you showed for Vengeance 1. Because I am a bit surprised that the second test yielded 80% positive results, including the ones who voted "ok". In my opinion "ok" is not positive, "ok" is neutral at best or bearable and shouldn't be counted towards positive received.
That you want to activate the fourth test alongside a usual campaign I do like though. I wished for that to happen a long time, not for the reason you gave in comparing the performance, but for a different reason. Now we can finally see, how well Vengeance is actually liked, if there is ANY choice. Last test the choice was a PvE Event or Vengeance and it nuked the population, so I am very interested to see two PvP rulesets competing.
I am a bit shocked that scenario 2 is even communicated, for me that means its an actual possibility that you consider to drop all usual campaigns...I am not sure how I feel about that.
Also I would love to see those survey results like you showed for Vengeance 1. Because I am a bit surprised that the second test yielded 80% positive results, including the ones who voted "ok". In my opinion "ok" is not positive, "ok" is neutral at best or bearable and shouldn't be counted towards positive received.
That you want to activate the fourth test alongside a usual campaign I do like though. I wished for that to happen a long time, not for the reason you gave in comparing the performance, but for a different reason. Now we can finally see, how well Vengeance is actually liked, if there is ANY choice. Last test the choice was a PvE Event or Vengeance and it nuked the population, so I am very interested to see two PvP rulesets competing.
L_Nici
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Re: Who is constructing our houses? Many flaws that need corrected.
I don't want to belittle your dissatisfaction with the Cottage's flaws (you are entirely right to be unhappy about this,) but I'm afraid it's not a new development. Speaking of off center, here's a small taste of Highhallow, released in 2022:
Across from a currently centered doorway, to really highlight the problem. There's also whatever is going on here:
Where it looks like a wall tile is clipping through a ceiling tile.
And these stair railings that should really not be visible when they're not accomplishing anything.
And just a few feet down from that: AAAAAA
Highhallow's worth 100 USD and is one of the worst constructed homes in the game. Nothing aligns. Everything is sideways and off center. I don't know a from scratch builder that would put up with misalignments of that level.
Even further back, Lucky Cat Landing from 2019! The textures don't fully load in on the doors.
Lucky Cat's fountains are clearly just an Elsweyr fountain that's been clipped into the walls. You can tell, because they didn't do a good job clipping it in. The side faucets are spilling water directly down the side of the home.
And this PS1 era reject is supposed to be a window. I genuinely think they uploaded the wrong texture files for it, because look at it. Not even base game assets look this bad. It is mush.
But at least Lucky Cat is only 40 USD?...
I frequently call Willowpond Haven, released just last year, the most beautiful home in the game, but then it has problems like this:
Why is that post there? I don't know. Anyway, my point is, this is a longstanding problem and I'd also like to see player homes assembled better.
Across from a currently centered doorway, to really highlight the problem. There's also whatever is going on here:
Where it looks like a wall tile is clipping through a ceiling tile.
And these stair railings that should really not be visible when they're not accomplishing anything.
And just a few feet down from that: AAAAAA
Highhallow's worth 100 USD and is one of the worst constructed homes in the game. Nothing aligns. Everything is sideways and off center. I don't know a from scratch builder that would put up with misalignments of that level.
Even further back, Lucky Cat Landing from 2019! The textures don't fully load in on the doors.
Lucky Cat's fountains are clearly just an Elsweyr fountain that's been clipped into the walls. You can tell, because they didn't do a good job clipping it in. The side faucets are spilling water directly down the side of the home.
And this PS1 era reject is supposed to be a window. I genuinely think they uploaded the wrong texture files for it, because look at it. Not even base game assets look this bad. It is mush.
But at least Lucky Cat is only 40 USD?...
I frequently call Willowpond Haven, released just last year, the most beautiful home in the game, but then it has problems like this:
Why is that post there? I don't know. Anyway, my point is, this is a longstanding problem and I'd also like to see player homes assembled better.
xencthlu
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Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
nice to see more details about Vengeance and future PvP!
personally i do not enjoy Grey Host campaign so would be fine with Scenario 2.
interested in the new pvp space and the new progression.
Oh yeah, amazing, if I'm not enjoying this then no one should.
ffs
Re: Community Update – Vengeance Testing & Cyrodiil
SpiritKitten wrote: »Okay so a lot of comments are saying 'pvpers' hate Vengeance. Well, they are not making Vengeance for pvpers. Don't y'all get that?
It is for PVErs, of which there are a lot, who love it. There are many more players like that than 'dedicated' pvpers. This game's design decisions always revolve around the largest player demographic- the casual gamer. And it's smart to. That's who pays the bills. It's a numbers game.
Vengeance is super fun for casual pvp.
They are going to let y'all hardcore pvpers enjoy your ball groups and other unbalanced ridiculousness in Grayhost. Be happy for that. Vengeance won't affect y'all at all. Unless of course...you secretly realize that a lot of Grayhosters actually want to leave for Vengeance?
I have played all sorts of pvp since DAoC. I have spent a lot of time in all the Cyro campaigns. Grayhost is a 50-car pileup wreck. And they just admitted they are not going to fix it. Let's be honest with ourselves. It's time to move on.
Bring on Vengeance!
@SpiritKitten Where is my vengeance version of trials? I want the same rewards, but I don't want to put in the effort of getting good at the game. They should make a trial that you can complete with a group of 12 random PvPers that grants you the exact same rewards as doing veteran hardmode trifecta trial runs. Bring on Vengeance trials!
This is the attitude of players that want Vengeance because real PvP is too tough for them. They just want to zerg and zerging is the only playstyle Vengeance enables. These players will obviously quit Gray Host, and I'm not blaming them for choosing the game mode most suited to their desires. I'm blaming ZOS for enabling this attitude and for downgrading the experience for the players that don't like Vengeance by splitting the population.
Sounds like you are in a ball group.
SpiritKitten
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Re: Dont deactivate normal Cyrodiil or respectfully i will not play any title with a zenimax brand anymo
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »So your only here for the optional versus mode?
I would prefer if ZOS just removed PvP, Cyrodiil has so much PvE potential.
So you're only here for the optional repetitive ai mode?
I would prefer it if zos made all instances open pvp instances, the zones have amazing PVP potential. So many pugs to farm.