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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
huskandhunger wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »CalamityCat wrote: »I would happily support a nerf if there was adequate information to support it. There isn't. I don't play WW so I have no reason whatsoever to want them OP. Let's see this "OP WW" on a templar base or a NB or necro. Just anything that isn't a sorc or DK where they're clearly performing well as we'd all expect.No, WW itself is still too strong. I could have Pelican on WW and myself on Sorc/DK, both without class masteries, and WW would still be significantly stronger.
But I know that most people here wouldn't want to accept that fact either. I can already see the dismissive comments like "It's just a 1v1" or "We don't know how it performs in Cyro/BG/etc". Those were the exact comments used to argue with me when I raised concern about old Sorc and reworked DK being overperforming. It didn't take long for multiple threads to occur after those patches went live, CONFIRMING my concern.
Look I get it, you and many people here want WW to stay as it is, and that's fair. But let's not try to sugarcoat it with balance discussions, as a simple fight on PTS clearly shows otherwise. Just state the blatantly obvious intention that you and many others want WW to overperform for once. That I can understand.
If the WW itself is the problem, rather than the base it's on, it would be over performing on everything. But let's be honest, the issue is with specific combinations + WW. It looks like a couple of builds that create a stronger base and the combination(s) need adjusted. Not a blanket nerf to WW. You're asking for the devs to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's 100% fair for others to ask for genuine proof that the WW deserves it. We aren't just trying to keep WW OP, we're just trying to avoid a completely unnecessary nerf because a few players don't like WW and/or single bar PvP builds.
A static duel is totally different from BGs and Cyro or IC where fights are mobile and the WW can't get the damage done as easily. So yes, some of us are going to mention that difference and be interested in seeing more "realistic" fights. I was in Cyro with my guild last night. Literally all that was said about WW was "I hear werewolves are winning duels now" lol. None of us are remotely worried that a WW ballgroup will appear or that we'll be torn up in IC or BGs. Nobody will be worried unless we see something of concern.
Nobody is asking too much when they want to see the results across a range of examples and situations. It's called making an informed decision. I can't make an informed decision with only a few pieces of information. So if the WW is so so bad, and some of you are that concerned, it's not too much trouble to show different base class builds and more realistic fights.
Why in the heck would you play a nb/templar WW ? Even without the class masteries if you were going to play a WW you picked the class you were going to do it on based on what class passives had the best synergy with WW.
“Just show that you can do the same on this much worse setup people are not going to use” is basically what you are asking.
As a Templar main werewolf player, the Templar side is something I chose when I first started the game because I enjoyed the thematic and fantasy of it. I don't want to play on Dragonknight no matter how powerful they are currently, or a Sorcerer streaking around like a lightning bolt, or a ninja Nightblade.
Yep I agree with you - I am a NB werewolf main since 2014. If Sorc wolf ends up the most powerful oh well I will still be playing my same nb werewolf toon. But hopefully they just balance whatever is going on with sorc specifically. It would be nice for each option for pure classed werewolf to be viable and cool and have their own flavor.
I think I can speak for the many werewolf mains when I say that we are not meta chasers, and don’t have the need for WW to be more OP than everything else. To think that would be laughable considering that well, we have played werewolf through thick and thin even with hardened ward sorcs, sorcdens, current day DKs, all the people spec bowing us while purging and shielding etc and all the other metas we’ve had to face.
I’m doubtful that ww is overperforming outside of a few fringe interactions with sets and passives in a specific build (which should be looked at) especially considering all the drawbacks we face in normal game situations that have been outline previously.
Overall, I’m excited about the coming of the greatest variety of werewolf build options we have ever got to enjoy for both PvE and PvP, with a cool new model and animations and stuff. Gonna be great!
I trust the work ZOS has done to this point, and the additional work they will do to get this right. Good work ZOS!
Also p.s. once again let us be faster pls!
Re: Disappointing (Bg's)
Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Ithesarahandcompany wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »thesarahandcompany wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »thesarahandcompany wrote: »Did you not read? There's was initially no guarantee or promise made.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/66701?utm_source=chatgpt.com
"The traditional 4v4v4 game mode will no longer be available for queues; however, it may return in the future for limited times during special mini-PvP events. This new two-sided format also includes seven brand-new maps to battle your fellow players within."
Ever since the advent of 8v8/4v4 there was never any promise. You’re frustrated, which is fair but this isn’t something ZOS actually promised on a timeline. That's your fault for believing that out of your own hope to see something change that you wanted to see changed. Back in January they said 3-team BGs may return, likely in limited-time events. Not as a permanent feature. Not tied it to Seasons, April, or any specific update. That wasn’t a rollout announcement. It was basically “we’re exploring bringing it back.”
So the April roadmap not including 4v4v4 isn’t them delaying a promised feature. It’s consistent with what they’ve said the whole time. There's a communication issue, sure, but not a missed deadline.
Right now 4v4v4 is clearly in test it via events and see if it sticks, not core mode returning on schedule. And personally speaking? 4v4v4 was horrible. Would not want to see it come back. It just exacerbates the negative effects of certain playstyles and lack of role-based queues that already exist in the game.
I was initially curious where the vitriol was coming from.
Then you said this and it was clear: "And personally speaking? 4v4v4 was horrible. Would not want to see it come back".
Maybe what we need is less negativity towards each other based on our preferences and more comradery that the community, as small as it is, is getting something a lot of us want... perhaps?
It's cool that you prefer 2 teams. You should be able to enjoy that. Chrisilis and those of us that prefer 3 teams should be able to enjoy that and you not supporting that doesnt help anyone.
Just about every bg sweat became a bg sweat in 3 teams. So we must have all enjoyed them on some level. That shouldnt be a point of contention on these boards but that's all I see.
Let's spare calling it vitriol. I find it particularly annoying that someone made a post complaining that the devs didn't "deliver on a promise" that they never actually made.
My tone has nothing to do with my preference of game mode. It has everything to do with coming on forums and pitching a fit over not getting what OP wants and then having the audacity to claim that they promised OP that we would get what OP said they want. I understand you think this is about my game mode preference, but you're wrong.
So let's try not to deflect from the fact that OP is in fact wrongly remembering things and outraged over a promise they never got and that your neat theory about my tone has nothing to do with that at all.
Maybe I should change my name from Sarah to Seth so maybe I won't get tone policed on forums.
I cant speak for anyone else but I sure couldn't extract an intelligible name from your id. Maybe caps at the start of words or underscores before... if it's important to you, which it certainly isnt for me. Call yourself whatever you want. Call me whatever you want. Either way, just try to be nice maybe. That was my point and it doesnt seem to have gotten across. We all love bgs and we are an exceedingly small community Let's all, me included, try to keep that in mind and be nice to each other.
Should I smile more too? Wondering when you're going to actually address any points or just keep policing my behavior. At this point it feels like you’re avoiding the actual point. Was there a promise made, yes or no? If not, then there’s nothing to be delayed. Posts like OPs that frame something as a broken promise when it wasn’t are exactly what create unnecessary frustration and animosity among the player base. Let's get some discernment. And stop framing my asking for some discernment as being "not nice." Or whatever.
I made my points in my first comment.
Not sure if you need smile more or not, and I am not able to help with that. Sorry.
As I said I made my points. I wish you the best. Take care.
That's your prerogative. You still haven’t addressed the actual point whether there was ever a promise 4v4v4 would return in Jan. or as a permanent feature.
Thanks for letting me know you aren't able to help with smiling. I will keep you in mind for future opportunities where I need to be nicer, however.
Warm regards,
Sarah
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 1 Summary
Looking forward to Sorc getting nerfed once again due to dummy parses and staged duels, even though in reality it is not used anywhere in pve for any role (and never again next patch after DK gives group major berserk) and in pvp it's only StamSorcs and Sorc Werewolves that are a problem, while pure MagSorcs have been a meme ever since subclassing came.
Dracane
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Re: Nevermind
I wouldn't get depressed about something that hasn't happened yet. Any balance changes could end up being very minor. Zos has done a great job with the reworks. i'm really enjoying werewolf and challenge difficulty on the pts.
JimT722
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Housing Furnishing
What are your general thoughts on new houses?
Rogue's Refuge
A big fan of this one, it's a very fun concept and Im glad to see it's earnable in game. I will say though that the textures of the walls seem a bit outdated and low quality, I would have liked to see some updated textures there. The secret door bookcases are really fun, but they're unfortunately hampered by not being able to fill them with clutter that moves with the bookcase. If there was a way to toggle them between a couple of different 'filled' options that would be a huge improvement. As it stands, you're stuck with bare shelves if you want to use the built-in doors.
Dancing Waters Wellspring
Not really for me. Only point I can make is that it's great to see the new alinor structural furnishings and the fact that two of the large structures in the home are built from these pieces, giving players the flexibility to remove/edit as they see fit - very nice.
Star-Gazer's Vigil
I found this home really interesting and unique. I wasnt the biggest fan of having the lighting turned on for the large central mechanism while all the parts were spinning as the shadows it cast were a bit too rapidly changing and irregular for my taste (at least as rendered on my computer). I would maybe buy this home if I can come up with an interesting enough way to furnish it.
What do you think of the new furnishings?
A big fan of the secret door bookcase. Im glad that the craftable version is full of books (unlike the built-in doors in the Rogue's Refuge). However, it's also just a really great bookcase outside of the secret door functionality. It would be great if we could have an alternative model with slightly different clutter that doesnt function as a door to allow us to better blend this secret door in our builds.
The new breton furnishings are great. The interactable writing desk is a fun stand-out (which could be improved with a smooth opening/closing animation), but the various hutches and armoires are also great. It's a shame that these furnishings stand out so much next to the base game breton furnishings. I would love it if the team took a pass at sharpening up some of the textures of the base game furnishings to better match these new ones. I could have sworn I saw an updated breton bookcase texture in one of the dev live streams and was a bit excited at the possibility that base game textures were going to be updated.
The new stealable furnishings are a nice addition. Particularly fond of the key, flask, pipe and clipboard which will be useful clutter in a variety of homes.
Do you have any other general feedback?
A bit concerned about how the new breton furnishings are sourced. If they're just zone drops with no alternative or targeted way to acquire them then I can imagine them being prohibitively expensive on the market for some time.
Rogue's Refuge
A big fan of this one, it's a very fun concept and Im glad to see it's earnable in game. I will say though that the textures of the walls seem a bit outdated and low quality, I would have liked to see some updated textures there. The secret door bookcases are really fun, but they're unfortunately hampered by not being able to fill them with clutter that moves with the bookcase. If there was a way to toggle them between a couple of different 'filled' options that would be a huge improvement. As it stands, you're stuck with bare shelves if you want to use the built-in doors.
Dancing Waters Wellspring
Not really for me. Only point I can make is that it's great to see the new alinor structural furnishings and the fact that two of the large structures in the home are built from these pieces, giving players the flexibility to remove/edit as they see fit - very nice.
Star-Gazer's Vigil
I found this home really interesting and unique. I wasnt the biggest fan of having the lighting turned on for the large central mechanism while all the parts were spinning as the shadows it cast were a bit too rapidly changing and irregular for my taste (at least as rendered on my computer). I would maybe buy this home if I can come up with an interesting enough way to furnish it.
What do you think of the new furnishings?
A big fan of the secret door bookcase. Im glad that the craftable version is full of books (unlike the built-in doors in the Rogue's Refuge). However, it's also just a really great bookcase outside of the secret door functionality. It would be great if we could have an alternative model with slightly different clutter that doesnt function as a door to allow us to better blend this secret door in our builds.
The new breton furnishings are great. The interactable writing desk is a fun stand-out (which could be improved with a smooth opening/closing animation), but the various hutches and armoires are also great. It's a shame that these furnishings stand out so much next to the base game breton furnishings. I would love it if the team took a pass at sharpening up some of the textures of the base game furnishings to better match these new ones. I could have sworn I saw an updated breton bookcase texture in one of the dev live streams and was a bit excited at the possibility that base game textures were going to be updated.
The new stealable furnishings are a nice addition. Particularly fond of the key, flask, pipe and clipboard which will be useful clutter in a variety of homes.
Do you have any other general feedback?
A bit concerned about how the new breton furnishings are sourced. If they're just zone drops with no alternative or targeted way to acquire them then I can imagine them being prohibitively expensive on the market for some time.
Virenic
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Re: Night’s Den
There are probably other ways to do it, maybe better ways, but houses are listed here. This, of couse, requires the UESP site to be updated with the info.
Re: Night’s Den
Yes. House ID's are published, but you could always try incrementing from last released houses.
You can even share a link without the @ as below in which case other people can visit what you linked too (if you actually say it in chat) although I had inconsistent results with that one so just went with the known-good link-in-mail +edit method.
The direct link I was able to get other people into was along the lines of the following:
|H1:housing:124:|h|h
You can even share a link without the @ as below in which case other people can visit what you linked too (if you actually say it in chat) although I had inconsistent results with that one so just went with the known-good link-in-mail +edit method.
The direct link I was able to get other people into was along the lines of the following:
|H1:housing:124:|h|h
msgeek
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Re: What class is the most in need of attention, bug fixes, and buffs right now?
randconfig wrote: »1) See if the community agrees.tomofhyrule wrote: »What is the point of this poll?
2) Please provide sources where devs talk specifically to necromancer mains about the order of the reworks, because I have not seen or heard it. The last time we were talked to directly was a year ago, after they pushed class breaking bugs to live despite us repeatedly telling them not to for EVERY WEEK of the PTS, and then they said they would continue to communicate, but again, its been radio silence for a year (source: surprise surprise blastbones and animate blastbones ulti are unusable in pvp now.
3) Draw attention to the lastest PTS where we were advertised this:
but we are getting this:
4) 2 years is a long time to wait for anything of quality to be given to the only class I play. Just because of poor management of resources and Microslop's pursuit of AI garbage, I'm expected to just sit on the sidelines and wait for another 2 years (mind you we've received near nothing except nerf after nerf, bug after bug, since Necromancer's release in 2019, SEVEN YEARS AGO).
So that's the purpose of the poll, to make a very obvious point, SO AT THE VERY LEAST WE, SPECIFICALLY THE NECROMANCERS, GET SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE DEVS THAT THEY HAVE A PLAN AND THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO FORCING US TO WAIT A TOTAL 9 YEARS TO GET QUALITY CHANGES TO THE NECROMANCER. :-)
Look, in life there are choices: you can have it fast, or you can have it good. Which do you want for Necros.
I get it. Necro sucks right now. It really really really sucks. It's by far the jankiest class and it's really unfun to play because of all of its mechanics. And it's gotten hit by one thing after another to try to make it less janky, which only made it feel worse. You will not find a single person on this forum who doesn't think that Necro is in the worst state.
But there's a bit of logic that needs to be put in to the thought process here. The next PTS drops in July, so whichever is the U51 updated Class needs to be done by then. That's giving them about two months to fix whatever Class is coming out then. After that, U52's PTS will drop around September, giving them only about a month after finishing the U51 Class to get the U52 Class out the door.
Necro needs a lot of work. Do you think that they can reasonably turn the mess that is Necro into something amazingly cool in a single month? Especially since before they get to making Necro fun, they need to fix the corpse mechanic and the pet mechanics and reorganize all of the skills?
Ask yourself which you want: a Necro that they shove out the door fast which is still mostly broken but in a different way, or for them to be able to fix each of Necro's major mechanics one at a time so they can give the entire three months of updating to making Necro feel better since the mechanics are already fixed.
