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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
So, Vengeance is now becoming a permanent mode which allows for 3 times the player population caps of current Gray Host(since the other Campaigns are being removed). This would be the ''higher population'' option.
Then we have this new ''small/medium sized Cyrodiil'' that they are also developing. This would be the option with ''no changes to their characters''.
Idk about you guys, but I don't see a third option.
Yeah I really don't understand how this has been ZoS's conclusion. I do understand that not changing anything about how GH works gameplay-wise will not allow them to improve performance is increase the player cap, but why are the only two options 1) to keep GH exactly the same or 2) to remove practically every character build option in the game to produce Vengeance? There's an entire world of options between those two. Why are none of those being considered?
Re: More Inclusive Cosmetics.
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Re: Best ESO stories since 2022
twisttop138 wrote: »I can't believe I forgot to mention Sharp. Don't tell him. He gets weird.
Just dress him up in a new outfit at the outfit station. He loves that
He was my first companion and I was not too knowledgeable about the system after returning from a long break. I was...shocked and a little weirded out that my companion shamed me and I lost reputation for going to the outfit station. Now I know to put him away but those early days, I was a little peeved at Zos. Like why would you do this lol.
Guide: Siege machines and which ones to actually use and how to use them effectively.
Disclaimer: This is from personal experience
Time and time again I see people use the same siege in the wrong ways and wonder why either their offense failed or defense failed drastically and its because I noticed people using the wrong siege weapons for the wrong things.
So heres a small guide to teach you to become an engineer of cyro pvp.
Catapults. There are 3 types. Meatbag, Oil, and Scatter shot. They are short ranged offensive and defensive anti personal siege. I always see people spam meatbag and thinking its enough however each siege has its own use and you should diversify on how it should be used. All catapults are fast reloaded and short ranged.
Meatbag - meatbag is the most used one and is easily counterable with a simple purge, either from the support tree or from class abilities that get used a lot. Despite lowering heal meatbags aren't effective against large groups but smaller and individuals. Large groups will simply cleanse and move through it without slowing down. Meatbags are best not in the push but in the flanking areas or in smaller groups and offense. Don't use meatbags on large groups as they are generally ineffective.
Oil catapults. This is the area denial catapults. Doing flame damage upfront it puts avery strong reapply snare on the ground. Best used defensively on choke points this can and will stop large groups in their tracks. Even though its not used for damage its not easy to get rid of.
Scattershot catapults. This one is again very good for large groups as it does leave a short lived aoe which makes any player effected by this to take more damage. Great for both defense and offense. Great middleman catapult for both large and small groups.
Now for balistas. Balistas are anti siege and personale weapons that are great for both offense and defense but are weak to destroy structures. Having a medium reload time these are great as counter siege especially on defensive positions on either elevations or distances. However balistas do get misused in the event for offensive seiging and can take forever to get a keep flagged or a structure destroyed. However their counter siege and anti personale capabilities on a distance is great and is highly destructive.
first is the regular balistas. Does a small bit more to structures and heavy damage to players, this should always be aimed at enemy siege instead of a group of players as the siege will be destroyed quickly.
Fire balistas and cold fire. Does a ton of damage over time to players and cold fire amplifying it.
Lightning balistas. Snares enemies, does massive delayed damage, and is great against large groups. Best used defensively.
Now for trebuchets. Trebuchets are medium to long range destructive forces of nature that can even shoot over keep walls. Never place these on walls of a keep, you can use behind a wall of a keep and hit people over it. It is highly destructive on structures and should be used on walls and doors. While having a longer reload time these can easily be also aimed at enemy siege machines and quickly destroy them or enemies itself. They do deviating damage.
first is stone and cold stone trebuchets. These are the offense ines that should be used against keep walls. Just 10-15 of these can easily flag a keep quickly especially if all used at once. This will prevent enemies from porting over to it fast.
Fire and coldfire do heavy fire damage over time and just like the cold fire balistas do more damage than their fire counterpart.
Ice trebuchets do heavy damage as well as a snare.
Now for lancers. All lancers are multi shot defensive anti personale siege weapons. They do heavy damage and always put on their elemental effect.
Oil pots. An elevated anti siege and personale weapon causing massive damage in an area and area of denial.
Battering ram - requires 3-6 people and only damages doors.
There is a set in the game thats called siege masters while not best for front lines does allow you to see enemies even behind cover while using seige weapons and preventing you from being knocked off of siege.
Hope this helps and if you got any tips let me know.
Time and time again I see people use the same siege in the wrong ways and wonder why either their offense failed or defense failed drastically and its because I noticed people using the wrong siege weapons for the wrong things.
So heres a small guide to teach you to become an engineer of cyro pvp.
Catapults. There are 3 types. Meatbag, Oil, and Scatter shot. They are short ranged offensive and defensive anti personal siege. I always see people spam meatbag and thinking its enough however each siege has its own use and you should diversify on how it should be used. All catapults are fast reloaded and short ranged.
Meatbag - meatbag is the most used one and is easily counterable with a simple purge, either from the support tree or from class abilities that get used a lot. Despite lowering heal meatbags aren't effective against large groups but smaller and individuals. Large groups will simply cleanse and move through it without slowing down. Meatbags are best not in the push but in the flanking areas or in smaller groups and offense. Don't use meatbags on large groups as they are generally ineffective.
Oil catapults. This is the area denial catapults. Doing flame damage upfront it puts avery strong reapply snare on the ground. Best used defensively on choke points this can and will stop large groups in their tracks. Even though its not used for damage its not easy to get rid of.
Scattershot catapults. This one is again very good for large groups as it does leave a short lived aoe which makes any player effected by this to take more damage. Great for both defense and offense. Great middleman catapult for both large and small groups.
Now for balistas. Balistas are anti siege and personale weapons that are great for both offense and defense but are weak to destroy structures. Having a medium reload time these are great as counter siege especially on defensive positions on either elevations or distances. However balistas do get misused in the event for offensive seiging and can take forever to get a keep flagged or a structure destroyed. However their counter siege and anti personale capabilities on a distance is great and is highly destructive.
first is the regular balistas. Does a small bit more to structures and heavy damage to players, this should always be aimed at enemy siege instead of a group of players as the siege will be destroyed quickly.
Fire balistas and cold fire. Does a ton of damage over time to players and cold fire amplifying it.
Lightning balistas. Snares enemies, does massive delayed damage, and is great against large groups. Best used defensively.
Now for trebuchets. Trebuchets are medium to long range destructive forces of nature that can even shoot over keep walls. Never place these on walls of a keep, you can use behind a wall of a keep and hit people over it. It is highly destructive on structures and should be used on walls and doors. While having a longer reload time these can easily be also aimed at enemy siege machines and quickly destroy them or enemies itself. They do deviating damage.
first is stone and cold stone trebuchets. These are the offense ines that should be used against keep walls. Just 10-15 of these can easily flag a keep quickly especially if all used at once. This will prevent enemies from porting over to it fast.
Fire and coldfire do heavy fire damage over time and just like the cold fire balistas do more damage than their fire counterpart.
Ice trebuchets do heavy damage as well as a snare.
Now for lancers. All lancers are multi shot defensive anti personale siege weapons. They do heavy damage and always put on their elemental effect.
Oil pots. An elevated anti siege and personale weapon causing massive damage in an area and area of denial.
Battering ram - requires 3-6 people and only damages doors.
There is a set in the game thats called siege masters while not best for front lines does allow you to see enemies even behind cover while using seige weapons and preventing you from being knocked off of siege.
Hope this helps and if you got any tips let me know.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
EthanolMuffins wrote: »I never PvP'd much before I took a break and tried venegance last night, it reminds me of FF14 pvp, which I hated because there wasn't build variety. To me one of the most fun parts of ESO is the build crafting, I don't like that this game mode will take most of that away.
And you know what? That is 100% valid. Wont it be great that you will not be forced into this campaign but can play in Grey Host with the full monty of what the game has available?
Just not right now
You know what, That is 100% valid. Do you think you will make it the next few days? The other guy mentioned trials, maybe we should all do that.
Well, yea I live a real life so I probably won’t log in at all this week.
And don’t worry, I tried asking for Vengeance to be brought to PvE already but oh boy that crowd sure doesn’t want performance in PvE. Yet we’re the pot calling the kettle black.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685746/vengeance-ruleset-for-dungeons-etc/p1
There you go bud! I think we will both make it. AND, i think both of us will be able to enjoy either GH or Veng once both are live at the same time to our hearts content! I know I cant wait to theory craft what I am going to pair with Rallying Cry when GH is back.
FYI, in update 50, RC will be nerfed and we’ll have a lot of other changes to sets alongside class masteries and werewolf. The game will be taking some steps in the right direction finally.
Vengeance won’t though, likely best to play an Assault or Sniper loadout and spam UAVs for XP.
SneaK
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Their decisions make me certain that any dev at Zos involved in pvp does not play in Cyrodiil at all.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Man you guys are embarassing...
"No ONe Is GoInG To PlAy ThIs WHeN GrEy HoSt is HEre AlSo".... then why are you here, crying about something that you believe will not impact you or your game play?
LOL you realise people aren’t necessarily mad that Vengeance exists. They’re mad because the only thing they log onto the game to play keeps getting removed to push this gamemode onto everyone.
And yeh, you might say it’s only a week, you’ll survive but imagine if they removed crafting writs for a week, or the ability to join trials?
So keep your poor attempt at ragebait to TikTok comments please, you’re just embarrassing yourself
Poss
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
The next one who talks about skill in vengeance 🤣
Do you think skill equates spending 900 hours grinding the most op set in the game, and everyone using the same 3 sets? Sets that do 99 percent of the work for you? That is absolutely not skill.albertberku wrote: »Is it that or are you missing your stupid OP Maarselok builds, or DK one shot combos or Damage Skill Line stack subclass meta? Your proc sets to carry your damage for you? Medium armor high sustain, high healing, high dmg, high crit, high mobility, speed cap streak, high hp builds to carry you? Is that what you miss?
Call me crazy but looks like you listed 11 different ways to play…
Jokes aside, anybody who has PvP’d in ESO over the decade remembers when things were not so unbalanced, and likely would jump at the chance to restore balance, however not for the sake of killing build variety (like you listed above).
Everyone always argues about balance when the topic of Vengeance comes up, guess what, Vengeance was not sold on balance it was sold on Performance. ZOS won’t balance Vengeance properly either. It’ll be a watered down mode with a worse meta than what GH will have after U50 drops class masteries. Vengeance will literally wind up being flavor of the month more than any camp we’ve ever seen, just like the tests were with NB. It’s 10 times worse though cause the game is moving forward with all kinds of updates and Vengeance won’t let you access them.
DOA
It is much easier to balance a small set of skills with an equal playing field, than 100+ sets and an insane amount of variables. Its not dead, I see mostly positive feedback in game, and a few loud whiners that cannot play without their broken builds.albertberku wrote: »Well i listed 3 builds actually. 1: DoT with Maarselok (10% usage). 2: DK (60%), 3: Damage/Burst lines subclass (15%). You can use Shalks instead of Heart of Flame or Blastbones in another damage/burst line. You can use another glyph and one other trait than your friend. Does it really change your build or playstyle meaningfully? And everything else i listed are just used by all three of these. From medium armor to weapon dmg stack to speed cap unlimited sprint to high hp to unlimited sustain to godly dmg to crits/ block healing, extreme burst/proc sets. Just the same OP playstyle and build.Call me crazy but looks like you listed 11 different ways to play…
I am going to give you an example about what i mean. Before hybridization patch and all the chaos afterwards, there used to be 12 playstyles. Each class with stam and magicka versions. Magsorc played differently than stamsorc, stamblade was deadly but squishy, had hat shade gameplay. And then there was magblade with cloak and resto shield for healing when in cloak. There was Templar that could block and heal better than everyone else staying alive in dense areas. Magsorc could run away with Streak. And then there was DK which was master of DoTs and could burn you if you get close. These are the different playstyles. Today you just slot medium armor and damage lines, stack weapon dmg and crits and just sprint at your opponent at speed cap to hit them with 5 different abilities at once without any gameplay whatsoever. You get hit by stupid unrealted combos like Snipe + Overload + Crushing + Pulse + Crystal Weapon + Winterborn in a single GCD. Why?
Exactly this.
Do you think skill equates running in a massive zerg over 2 ppl? Or do you think skill equates everyone running a nb in vengeance?
Jaavaa
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
albertberku wrote: »I mean pro-Vengeance people doesnt really give a s about your opinions as "PvP veterans" (lol) on Vengeance. We are enjoying ourselves and the campaign is full of players. You are the minority here. You will just diminish as your beloved Grey Host will do. Soo there is that. You had your fun, you got carried by your builds extensively in the recent years. Now the fun is over.
Pro GH players really doesn't give a *** about your opinion nor they take it for serious.But it's funny to read how you comfort yourself by making things up.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
albertberku wrote: »Well, i am going to say the sweaties that love to chase me in GH with their carry builds use nightblades in Veng. So you have a point. It is a tad stronger right now. But it is definitely not 100%. You play against Templars, Wardens, there are a lot of Magsorcs. There are actually 4 - 5 different classes involving at any fight. And most importantly NB is deadly but they are not also fast + tanky. That is what most matters. You can run away from them easily if you build for it, or you can attack and kill them. There are tradeoffs. No more carry builds, maybe not balanced, maybe stronger but not complete carry builds. Yes, it is not balanced still, but much much better than what is happening in GH rn.And vengeance is 100% nightblades so what is your point?
In Vengeance right now you can fight against any class and if you die it will still be on you. The power gap is not that much between the builds. If someone kills you, they are probably better at weaving/rotation, they are not carried by their builds. In GH good luck in fights if you are not going to play one certain playstyle.
And what i love most about Vengeance is that the skills are distinct now. You dont fire 5 abilities at once. Streak has cooldown. Overload is its own skill, fires separately. Other abilities similarly. Fights are clearer. No GH chaos anymore with noone knowing what is happening on the field. And for that reason there were tremendous amount of new players in Cyrodiil tonight that were low level but still can understand and enjoy fights going on. That is why Vengeance will be successful, that is if they keep it that simple in the future. It doesnt need to be a button or mouse mesh simulator for it to contain skillful gameplay.
Lol this guy, you see low levels cause Vengeance is a place to level alts and that’s it, you don’t have to be level 50 or cp etc to run the meta. Literally coping at its finest.
Also, another lol at “building” to run away.
SneaK
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