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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
So far is looks like all of the extra high damage examples are very specific setups with a class mastery interaction. These do not indicate a problem with Werewolf overall. These are also examples of dueling and not open world, which will be significantly different.
With that logic nothing has ever overperformed because it´s just "a synergy between things". If something synergies too well with another thing, it becomes part of the problem. Every single patch where WW has been overtuned (Wolfhunter, Elsweyr, Murkmire and Greymoor/Markath), it´s been because WW had such insanely good synergy with certain tools that patch. It´s the synergy that make certain things overtuned, ESO PvP doesn´t work in a convenient vacuum like that. You know very well that anyone that wants to be competitive in ESO tends to lean towards whatever synergy/combination works the best.
Werewolf has had to deal with being F-tier for a long time. Mag Sorcerer meta, Warden acuity meta, and now Dragonknight corrosive/onslaught whip meta have all been significantly more difficult to play against as a Werewolf. Let's maybe get this thing working well before saying it's OP because of some interaction.
Sure WW hasn´t been good in a while, but people are arguing that doing 40-50% more sustained DPS in PvP (with or without relequen), compared to the highest damage outputs on live, while requiring way less output/effort, is balanced. And this is with WW missing out on 33% more weapon damage because of a bugged passive.
I´m no "anti WW" player, I used to play a lot of WW with some of the most competent WW theorycrafters in the game on PCEU, but as "interesting" as it would be to see it go live, it would just be another overtuned playstyle that gets neutered 1-2 updates later. Better to reduce the extremes to enable a healthier PvP environment than opening pandoras box.
Panderbander wrote: »I'm just gonna say, if the concern is "I took high damage while I let someone parse on me" from a class that has no burst combo capability, that's not really a problem. If a class is capable of dealing a sustained pressure of 6-8k during a duel but is then capable of hitting a burst of 20k plus in a short window, 90% of the time that class will win a fight. If anything, it's an argument that when a class has no proper burst combo, they should have higher pressure than normal.
This is also ignoring the slew of drawbacks werewolf has (no cleanse, melee range only, no shields, no nuke ult, I could go on.)
Dueling also doesn't include battlespirit, which nerfs healing, which is the only way werewolf can survive as they have no shields and no cleanse.
Battlespirit is 100% active while dueling.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Alchimiste1 wrote: »The fact that a 1 bar WW build with BROKEN weapon damage passives is getting 8K+ dps on players cannot go live.Here are some "real fight" results of my Sorc vs WW dueler. Confirmed that 8k on StamSorc is replicable, even vs WW. In practice, WW has a hard time landing hits on Sorc.Sure i’ll record some when I log on. I haven’t seen any Sorcs doing sustained 8k DPS yet, but I’m curious to see that in a real fight.
Duel #1: Sorc win
Duel #2: WW win
Duel #3: Sorc win
From my POV, in practice WW seems balanced vs Sorc and DK. If anything is a problem it's Relequen doing 20% of your dps just from light attacking. It does not need to exist. Many metagame problems could be solved slamming "while Battle Spirit is inactive" onto certain sets.
I'm the one calling it before this devolves into madness-
If you don't have a video, you don't have proof prior or going forward (a CMX on a 'PvP dummy' means nothing). You are showing no one what you're wearing/doing outside of your visible procs (*cough* *cough* Relequen) or what your opponent is wearing or doing at all- this is highly disingenuous and not sufficient when you're talking about something needing to be nerfed by numbers alone.
I searched through the last few pages (so sincere apologies if I missed something) and even the person that said they were going to source a video didn't (I periodically checked out of respect for potential effort well throughout the day); the main individual making the claim did not source a video despite this being requested of them a number over 5 times. The nerf-calling party (the handful of individuals that jumped in here within minutes of each other with an agenda) has the 'burden of' real 'proof', unfortunately for them.
Werewolf is not a class, it's an ult that locks you out of abilities (and it is balanced around this AND still having access to class passives). I can still turn back into human also after all (it's literally never been cheaper to go back and forth before). Removing class passives for even werewolf alone removes my abilities to 'do what I want' and pureclass effectively in my human form.
If you want this or werewolf to be gutted, you must provide real proof otherwise I'm shipping it to live (yes, me, I'm doing it
) b/c you have nothing and only live at this point can prove your point (because if you can say whatever and expect it to happen, so can I).
Wuuffyy
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Re: Tomes weekly challenges too much work
A lot of people seem to be trying to optimize the fun out of this. They're not chores or a job unless you make it so. Work on a task every day, if you want. You'll get plenty of points. You'll get everything you want. If you turn this into a thing you think must be done immediately, then of course it'll be a turn off. I get it, I'm a dad who works a 50 hour plus week. I don't really play on weekends because that's family time since I don't get to see my wife during the week. So I get the feeling of little play time. I also understand this is a new system, people thought it would be like endeavors, whatever. I'm hoping they now realize it is nothing like endeavors, by design. Battle passes are implemented for a very specific reason. That said, Zos is taking feedback, so continue to let them know what you like and dislike. Being fair to them though, this is a pretty generous and easy system so far. Just needs some tuning.
se can i have a "tossing my cookies" emote
that actually has me juggling large chocolate chip cookies? 3-4 of them? maybe more too... it's ok
Re: Don't nerf crit resist
Why is everyone talking about critical damage like crits don't have RNG associated with them?
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Just looked at the recaps again. The numbers are disingenuous.
There are, in the last post with recap numbers, 61 instances of Rip and Tear being hitting. There are also 60 instances of Rip and Tear EXECUTE damage. This, according to the patch notes, only happens under 25% HP. This also means the target was getting hit by the sorc class mastery at a minimum rate of 75% chance per damage instance, every 200ms.
Unless I'm misunderstanding how the ability functions, the target was getting parsed on IN EXECUTE. Or is the data somehow faulty?
There are, in the last post with recap numbers, 61 instances of Rip and Tear being hitting. There are also 60 instances of Rip and Tear EXECUTE damage. This, according to the patch notes, only happens under 25% HP. This also means the target was getting hit by the sorc class mastery at a minimum rate of 75% chance per damage instance, every 200ms.
Unless I'm misunderstanding how the ability functions, the target was getting parsed on IN EXECUTE. Or is the data somehow faulty?
Re: Season Zero: Dawn and Dusk Is Now Live
twisttop138 wrote: »LadyHermione wrote: »One annoying flaw that I've encountered with the Tome Weekly Challenges. There is no way to lockout/disable/delete a specific challenge if we don't want to actually do and claim them whatsoever.
For example, If I got the Collect 15 Runestones challenge and I'm out of re-rolls for this week but I want to re-roll this challenge for next week, I'm unable to if I accidentally collect 15 Runestones during the week with normal game-play. So until the next week rolls over, I have to be very careful I do not reach 1/6 for that, otherwise I'm stuck with a challenge I do not want to complete.
This is very annoying for someone who randomly loots nodes during game-play because it's fun but not to the amount of 90 of them for each type of node for completion. I also understand that there is plenty of other tome points to be had to unlock every page and this is just an annoyance. But at this moment it feels like I'm being caged from freely looting/farming nodes to my hearts content if I loot below the threshold of 6/6 of these types of challenges and are now stuck with them. And if I get multiples of these type of challenges and not enough luck with my re-rolls, then there is more constriction since again, we cannot delete a specific challenge so we are stuck with it and might be forced to complete it because of the 12 challenge cap to think about.
Just collect freely and let tome points be a natural background consequence of playing the game.
I think more people would feel more comfortable doing this if it weren't for the fact that completing different challenges grants different amounts of tome points. For someone who is trying to maximize tome points, accidentally completing challenges by just playing the game might be a problem.
I do hope they adjust the tome points amounts received from challenges to be equal so that we can just play the game and complete challenges naturally without worrying about it.
One thing is that people are grossly overexaggerating how many points they'll need though. Combine that with the ESO playerbase's general idea of "I need to grind everything as fast as physically possible," and I bet the first Tome switchover will be a real shocker for a lot of people.
People are caught in this loop of "oh, I'm not maxing out my gains!" because they want to get as many points as possible. However, the free track contains about 20k points worth of stuff, which is also the amount needed to get to the bonus pages.
Here's a quick example: I didn't try to minmax my earnings since Tomes started and I ended up with about 7500 after the first 10 days - note that includes the 1000 kills in the newly basegame zones, so let's even call it 6500 from just basic challenges. Over 10 days.
At that rate, since the Season ends in 80 days, I'll end up with around... 52k points.
I'll need... 20k.
So... that's over 30k points that will be discarded.
Don't stress about minmaxing your gains. If you play like we did with Endeavors, you're going to end up throwing out more points than you can spend at the end of the season. The only people who really need to stress about needing to get the highest-value ones are those who are not going to be playing much that season at all, and those people are not the ones to minmax in the first place.
Breton Furnishings Update
While playing on the PTS, I noticed that you updated the textures and models for Breton furniture in Glenumbra - and they look great!
However, I noticed that the player-owned versions of these items still use the old, low-resolution models. Could you explain why these weren't updated at the same time? I think players would really appreciate being able to use these higher-quality models in their own homes as well.
However, I noticed that the player-owned versions of these items still use the old, low-resolution models. Could you explain why these weren't updated at the same time? I think players would really appreciate being able to use these higher-quality models in their own homes as well.
Catariah
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Re: A social issue people are reluctant to bring up
@Athory
I agree. These logs should only be shared by choice. Using them to make people feel bad is not how they should be used.
But the other issue is the ego of raid leads. Luckily I’ve found ones that are lovely & encouraging. Makes a whole world of difference.
(And do occasionally lead myself, so know not to judge on dps alone)
As for toxicity in other areas of the game, the issue is to keep reporting it. But make sure it is genuine toxicity, not just someone expressing an opinion you don’t like.
I also think there needs to be more tolerance & understanding as this is a game played by people all over the world, but uses English as the main language of communication. Sometimes things can get lost in translation.
(I have basic Spanish but if I had to play the game in Spanish I’d be doomed!)
I agree. These logs should only be shared by choice. Using them to make people feel bad is not how they should be used.
But the other issue is the ego of raid leads. Luckily I’ve found ones that are lovely & encouraging. Makes a whole world of difference.
(And do occasionally lead myself, so know not to judge on dps alone)
As for toxicity in other areas of the game, the issue is to keep reporting it. But make sure it is genuine toxicity, not just someone expressing an opinion you don’t like.
I also think there needs to be more tolerance & understanding as this is a game played by people all over the world, but uses English as the main language of communication. Sometimes things can get lost in translation.
(I have basic Spanish but if I had to play the game in Spanish I’d be doomed!)