Colindestiny2 wrote: »

Maybe instead of lowering the cellings and making power creep controlled How about we just raise the floor for some of the other classes so that way we have some classes who do good in one part but another class does good in another part Its okay to have sorc be super good in single target because you can count the amount of single target fights on your hand where as the aoe fights I don't think you have enough fingers!

1. I do not understand why people are so resistant to nerfs on the test server. It would make sense if I were proposing to take away the power you already have on live. But that's a test server, where balance could (and should) change between the patches, until we reach appropriate numbers.
   
2. I do not understand the obsession with "raising the floor". You already have enough damage, even on semi-RP builds, to get any trifecta. The problem would be to find a group that will let you prog SbS on your petomancer/elementalist/whatever. And, last time I checked, we were playing in Elder Scrolls Online, not in World of Warcraft, so increasing power for everyone every patch should not be expected.
   
3. If we're raising the floor for classes, we also should raise the floor for multiclasses, too, since they are worse now. Regardless of everyone's opinion on that "system", it is a part of a game now, so we should respect its existence and balance things while keeping it in mind. Therefore, raising the floor will lead to buffing literally every class skill. That looks like a much worse solution than balancing pure class by adjusting numbers in class sets and class masteries.
   
4. I agree that it's fine if some class is better than another in one part, but worse in another. This is not what's happening on PTS. If we take both Sorc and DK in their parse set-ups for content:
   
   Sorc won't be using Monolith, since it's extremely impractical in most of the fight, Overload (and therefore Signet), since your group expects you to bring Atro. But you will be receiving a buff from Heat Shock.
   
   DK would keep the same set-up. And receive Banner/Status Knife buffs from Sorc.
   
   In this case, DK will probably out-DPS Sorc in ST-DPS. And DK has cleave, that Sorc's lacking.
   
   Sorc is not a ST-specialist in content; it's worse than DK, even if dummy parses may deceive you.
   
5. Obvious ways to fix it:
   
   • Rework Monolith, so it won't be Null Arca+Coral on dummy, and borderline unusable in content, so Sorc's damage won't have such a big difference between dummy and content setups.
     
   • Rework Pyrebrand. It's over-performing in both PvE and PvP (from what I've seen on the forum), and has a bad design, since it's tied to one specific class mastery. Maybe tone down Wildfire Embers a bit, too.
     
   • I can live with Warden overperforming on the dummy with Signet and bad sustain.
     
   • I'm not too happy with Plar's ST being too high, considering its cleave from jabs, but Aetheric Lancer is not too practical, since it forces you to stand in its AoE, which can spawn in awkward places, so in content you'll either use another set (=DPS loss), or play riskily. Also, you have an ultigen mastery, so you may become support DD in WM or Crypt, and run Bastion of Light instead of Judgment’s Brand, since your group wants 300 WPD from you. Overall, that's fine.
     
   • For the rest of the classes, I'm asking for buffs.

CP5 wrote: »

I really appreciate that kind of information, makes things a lot easier to discuss knowing what limitations there are. I'll just have to see how the interactions pan out on the live server, I'm several years behind on zone content so I imagine the zones I'll be using this feature in first will be quiet, and I'll enjoy what I can of it. But speaking on technical limitations, I know as far back as the base game, with a good example being the final boss of tempest island, that npcs can have skills they can only use on players with specific conditions, and I was wondering if that was an angle that could be taken to make the encounters more engaging beyond adjusting the damage done/taken sliders.