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Re: Update 50 and Accessibility
Empower has been multiplicative since oakensoul released. Its power, and HA power in general, has been changed and balanced several times based on it being multiplicative and the resulting damage. This isn't a one patch issue that slipped under the radar, it was a choice that was made intentionally and balanced around the resulting power.Just wanted to follow up here. The team has seen the feedback here and this thread along with others has been shared. We fixed a handful of bonus effects that were incorrectly multiplicative instead of additive, which resulted in their power being reduced. This was covered in the Update 50 PTS patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8455634/#Comment_8455634
We know this doesn't address all of the concerns here, but the team is looking at your feedback to better address the commentary here. There is no intention to shut out accessibility or accessibility options for combat. We are keeping an eye on threads like this and adjust once we get more data and feedback.
I have no issue with you all deciding that you want to change where the calculation is whether for balance reasons or coding issues or what have you. But in doing this change it significantly nerfs the value of empower for everyone using it. Even with the most basic buffs it is a significant 10-30% reduction in power. You could have adjusted empower to be 100% at the same time, and it still would be a nerf to optimized HA builds, but at least would have been roughly equivalent for oakensoul builds. To also be doing this in a patch where most other builds were significantly buffed is double blow and puts these builds now well behind.
When oakensoul released HA builds could parse 90-100k and the tip top parses were in the 130s. A 20-30% penalty for an easier build was about right. Now a similar build still does 90-100k but the top parses are approaching 200. Even sweaty two bar HA builds, which are not at all easy to play, just different to play, are probably going to be in the 120-130 range. This is a big gap.
Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »Sure, we have had other 'they/them' characters, but it doesn't seem to be a widespread phenomenon, nor do I imagine it would be accepted everywhere.
One of the things I like about Elder Scrolls is I haven't really seen anyone care about gender/sexuality stuff at all - as opposed to race where there is a lot of built-in drama there.
No one caring I feel is a nice way to avoid the Veilguard approach to gender/sexuality. I haven't seen anyone making comments about any of the same-sex couples. Or that argonian questline where they can change genders. I have a feeling in this universe if someone decided they were non-binary there wouldn't be much conversation about whether it is accepted or not, it would just be accepted and people just move ahead as though this is simply who they are.
I could be wrong, I can't really remember clearly if Alchemy ran into any discrimination or if that was something they put on themselves. I recall Alchemy's sister/friend (it's been a few years, I can't remember) being very accepting and not judgmental if I remember correctly.
I actually just went to look up Alchemy because I thought that there had been discrimination there, but I couldn't really find anything about it. I had thought that there had been a problem with her living as a woman, but it seems like it was more about Alchemy not joining the Sapiarchs than anything else.
Thanks for looking that up - my memory was really hazy there. Nothing stood out in my memory though so it seems it falls in line with other questline where people don't care all that much and more care about other things about the characters.
Same for me with my memory.
There might have been some minor stuff as I skimmed the dialogue options for Alchemy, but nothing jumped out at me, and the sister immediately accepted Alchemy once she realized.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
First off, I want to say I greatly appreciate that ZOS is listening and trying to apply feedback in a more transparent way. (I do actually think they always tried to listen but their old schedule made it difficult to make significant changes to things.)
I think you can see the feedback being applied in Tamriel Tomes. The trouble is, in some cases the baby was thrown out with the bathwater, from my perspective.
Feedback I have seen over the years about daily logins or endeavors that they obviously tried to address with Tamriel Tomes:
-More interesting free rewards not behind hard achievements
-Complaints about having to pick up low value rewards that just take up space
-People disliking a daily checklist
-People pointing out issues with too many people swarming an area for narrow scoped endeavors
-People disliking missing out on rewards if they can't log in every day (FOMO)
-People complaining about not liking the mix of tasks in daily or weekly endeavors
-People disliking when high value endeavors were things they didn't want to do, so they felt pressure to do them to obtain the rewards
-People disliking the chapter model and not being able to access new content without a purchase (so now monetization is swapped from content to another, additional cosmetics model instead)
The Seasons model and the battle pass address these complaints.
However, instead of fully improving on what we had before, it comes with some tradeoffs that introduces new issues for people who were happy with the old model (daily login/endeavors) along with a whole bunch of confusion.
Some examples:
-I truly miss the dailies. I liked logging in and drinking two drinks and feeling good about myself.
Yes I can log in and do something towards a weekly but it is not the same. I wish we had a mix of both still
-The free rewards we can access and obtain for truly just logging in, during busy times, are significantly diminished
-My friends don't have the same endeavors as me, so it isn't as fun to do them as a group
-We are now using currency to buy currencies! I just want to drink my two drinks and get some endeavor seals!
-FOMO was moved from a 30 to 90 day cycle, AND monetized. Yikes. Yes, there is more flexibility in how you obtain the rewards, but without paying up, those rewards turn into a pumpkin, never to return. Which is a bigger deal now that they are more interesting!
-The Crown Store, and the crown/gem/seal system has allowed me to generally just buy the cosmetics I'm interested in. Everything else was free, attached to achievements, daily login, etc. Having to spend money beyond those currencies to buy a season pass, with the inability to buy just one thing in the pass with crowns, gems, or seals, is extremely frustrating.
-The whole thing is some kind of delayed gratification system which is also very frustrating if you're someone who likes to be rewarded directly for an accomplishment, which I am. Before it was: login, get a tangible reward. Do endeavors, get seals. Spend money on crowns, use crowns to buy what you want. This tome system SLOWLY unveils challenges, which give points, which unlocks pages, which eventually leads to claiming rewards that don't line up directly with a specific activity OR spending money. It is very unsatisfying to interact with, imo.
If I were making updates, I would think about:
-adding some dailies
-allowing the purchase of at least a single page tome, if not each individual item, with crowns and gems, but balance it so the pass is the best "deal"
-allowing the season to be purchased and gifted with crowns and gems
-have a group re-roll feature so everyone in the group can align on the same challenges and consider having the whole community start on the same schedule
-integrating the interface into the same place as the Crown Store, Gold Coast Bazaar, etc
-having some challenges award a small amount of seals, gold, etc along with Tome Points... maybe just the dailies?
-further generalizing challenges (dig up 3 green leads as opposed to specific ones, kill bosses in 3 different zones as opposed to naming the zones, etc.)
-give more Tome Points for logging in daily and/or, as others have suggested, have Tome Points only be to earn your way through the pages, not also a way to buy the items. Once the page is open, all the items should be available without having to "buy" them with points
-consider periodically allowing season purchases to come back, like crown crates, so players can have another chance to buy the pass and keep the content around
Personally I'm not really enjoying the battle pass concept. It doesn't feel as rewarding to me as the previous system, because of how removed the rewards are from the actual activities, and because there are no quick dailies, and I feel like I have a lot less control in my shopping and reward choices, and I just dislike all of that. Yes, I know that Crown Crates give you very little choice when just starting out as a player, because it forces auto claiming of rewards, but once you've played for a bit and built up some crowns or seals, it really is a decent experience for targeting the rewards that are the best for you. The additional layering of one free guaranteed reward a day also felt more engaging.
I think you can see the feedback being applied in Tamriel Tomes. The trouble is, in some cases the baby was thrown out with the bathwater, from my perspective.
Feedback I have seen over the years about daily logins or endeavors that they obviously tried to address with Tamriel Tomes:
-More interesting free rewards not behind hard achievements
-Complaints about having to pick up low value rewards that just take up space
-People disliking a daily checklist
-People pointing out issues with too many people swarming an area for narrow scoped endeavors
-People disliking missing out on rewards if they can't log in every day (FOMO)
-People complaining about not liking the mix of tasks in daily or weekly endeavors
-People disliking when high value endeavors were things they didn't want to do, so they felt pressure to do them to obtain the rewards
-People disliking the chapter model and not being able to access new content without a purchase (so now monetization is swapped from content to another, additional cosmetics model instead)
The Seasons model and the battle pass address these complaints.
However, instead of fully improving on what we had before, it comes with some tradeoffs that introduces new issues for people who were happy with the old model (daily login/endeavors) along with a whole bunch of confusion.
Some examples:
-I truly miss the dailies. I liked logging in and drinking two drinks and feeling good about myself.
Yes I can log in and do something towards a weekly but it is not the same. I wish we had a mix of both still-The free rewards we can access and obtain for truly just logging in, during busy times, are significantly diminished
-My friends don't have the same endeavors as me, so it isn't as fun to do them as a group
-We are now using currency to buy currencies! I just want to drink my two drinks and get some endeavor seals!
-FOMO was moved from a 30 to 90 day cycle, AND monetized. Yikes. Yes, there is more flexibility in how you obtain the rewards, but without paying up, those rewards turn into a pumpkin, never to return. Which is a bigger deal now that they are more interesting!
-The Crown Store, and the crown/gem/seal system has allowed me to generally just buy the cosmetics I'm interested in. Everything else was free, attached to achievements, daily login, etc. Having to spend money beyond those currencies to buy a season pass, with the inability to buy just one thing in the pass with crowns, gems, or seals, is extremely frustrating.
-The whole thing is some kind of delayed gratification system which is also very frustrating if you're someone who likes to be rewarded directly for an accomplishment, which I am. Before it was: login, get a tangible reward. Do endeavors, get seals. Spend money on crowns, use crowns to buy what you want. This tome system SLOWLY unveils challenges, which give points, which unlocks pages, which eventually leads to claiming rewards that don't line up directly with a specific activity OR spending money. It is very unsatisfying to interact with, imo.
If I were making updates, I would think about:
-adding some dailies
-allowing the purchase of at least a single page tome, if not each individual item, with crowns and gems, but balance it so the pass is the best "deal"
-allowing the season to be purchased and gifted with crowns and gems
-have a group re-roll feature so everyone in the group can align on the same challenges and consider having the whole community start on the same schedule
-integrating the interface into the same place as the Crown Store, Gold Coast Bazaar, etc
-having some challenges award a small amount of seals, gold, etc along with Tome Points... maybe just the dailies?
-further generalizing challenges (dig up 3 green leads as opposed to specific ones, kill bosses in 3 different zones as opposed to naming the zones, etc.)
-give more Tome Points for logging in daily and/or, as others have suggested, have Tome Points only be to earn your way through the pages, not also a way to buy the items. Once the page is open, all the items should be available without having to "buy" them with points
-consider periodically allowing season purchases to come back, like crown crates, so players can have another chance to buy the pass and keep the content around
Personally I'm not really enjoying the battle pass concept. It doesn't feel as rewarding to me as the previous system, because of how removed the rewards are from the actual activities, and because there are no quick dailies, and I feel like I have a lot less control in my shopping and reward choices, and I just dislike all of that. Yes, I know that Crown Crates give you very little choice when just starting out as a player, because it forces auto claiming of rewards, but once you've played for a bit and built up some crowns or seals, it really is a decent experience for targeting the rewards that are the best for you. The additional layering of one free guaranteed reward a day also felt more engaging.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
They have said (very clearly, and several times) that it is not possible to have both large population caps and decent performance in Cyrodiil owing to the drastically higher number of events the server has to process in a single thread (every hit of damage, every splash of healing, every movement etc.)
The PVP community has for a long time complained about decreasing population caps.
So the choices are either something that works a lot more like Vengeance and can support high population caps, or the status quo where each campaign has a small population cap and the popular one has a long queue.
I wonder if there is another option where each campaign is actually multi-instance, with population balancing. If you queue with a group you get to go in the same campaign otherwise you go in a random instance. All the scoring gets aggregated so whatever your instance of the campaign looks like you're still contributing to the overall month-end score. It would mean the system could keep legacy PVP behaviour and eliminate queueing for GH, but it would mean that the score didn't necessarily represent the battlefield and might be challenging for deciding how Emperorship should work, and it would mean just joining campaign and lfging in your PVP guild wouldn't be the same experience. But nobody else has suggested it to my knowledge, so I thought I would.
Bear in mind that there are also a ton of other persistent gripes that "stick with the current system" doesn't address - ball groups, troll tanks, edge builds with high damage, infinite resources and high armour at the same time.... Vengeance does effectively neuter them but the tests so far have probably been too far the other way in terms of neutering build diversity. And finally the issue of sets remains problematic for all game modes - there are far, far too many completely useless sets in the game, that see literally zero use in any form of gameplay except for by noobs that don't have a clue and are probably wearing completely mismatched gear in any case. Each new zone or dungeon adds to the problem.
Honestly, now that I have really looked into what vengeance does, this is EXACTLY what I have been saying needs to be done in ESO for YEARS now. Either this, or have specific sets you can use in pvp, and that is it. This will quite literally get me back into pvp, because I will not have to spend 4958305843589480593890 years grinding for gear again after being away for a year or 2. Now it comes down to skill, period. No more crutches.
Game on I say.
Jammy420
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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
During its last appearance on PCNA, Vengeance suffered the same issue that plagued and ultimately defeated no proc PVP: As soon as the populations reach a certain level of imbalance, it becomes impossible to play against massive numbers as an underdog.
Yeah during my playtests the limited build options forces the entire camp into a numbers game. Whoever has the higher pop in one area wins - which isn't fun.
A zerg fest just stinks.
BardokRedSnow wrote: ».Maximus_Mordred wrote: »ToddIngram wrote: »No amount of hyping by the vocal minority will change that.
Pot, meet kettle.
The only people who will stay in vengeance long term are the same ones who occupy the now dead ravenwatch, BR and below 50 campaigns. Jaded bitter pvpers that just wanna zerg, and pvers that just want their tier 3 rewards.
Perhaps there's been confusion about the marketing of the end product. Cyrodiil is built for zerging, not for having duels/1v1s, not for having smallscale fights, and certainly not for ballgroups or bombers.
It is built for zerging and siege warfare. If you don't like that, then that's fine, but the product is fundamentally not for you.
This may come as a surprise to some, but a lot of people, in fact a massive proportion of largescale PvPers play in Cyrodiil for the large-scale objective fights which rely around zerg v. zerg combat as a foundation. If you want personalised strictly skill-based fighting, there are other avenues in BGs, duels and IC.
Trying to change the behaviour of Cyrodiil and by extension how others can play the game, because it doesn't pander to your own personal style of play, especially when those styles of play already exist is not only selfish but reveals a critical lack of perspective. Play Cyrodiil in smallscale or solo of course, but you have no right to complain when the zerg runs you over.
Re: So wait, PvPers no longer have an event where we can earn Trade Bars by PvPing?
Bleh. Honestly it was Mayhem that got me to try PvP for the first time in ESO because I had no idea what Cyro/IC or BGs were all about. Yeah I died many times, but getting the event tickets was the motivation I needed to keep trying.
The only upside is that we won't hear as many players complaining about having to PvP.
Hopefully players still participate in enough numbers. I love the games of hide and seek with my NB when IC gets busy.
I really don't agree with this decision though.
The only upside is that we won't hear as many players complaining about having to PvP.
Hopefully players still participate in enough numbers. I love the games of hide and seek with my NB when IC gets busy.
I really don't agree with this decision though.
Re: So wait, PvPers no longer have an event where we can earn Trade Bars by PvPing?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Kevin I can not even begin to articulate how absolutely insulting it is that the ONE pvp event won't offer the event ticket replacement (trade bars). I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PVE EVENTS. Taking away our event rewards is a massive slap in the face. Whoever's idea this was has no business making these decisions.
How dare you
How dare you
Re: Crown Sale - Did you buy any?
On advice of Council I invoke my Fifth Amendment rights as my testimony may be used against me.
Also, I do not recognize your authority to question me in this matter.
Also, I do not recognize your authority to question me in this matter.
Re: So wait, PvPers no longer have an event where we can earn Trade Bars by PvPing?
That doesn't make sense though. Why punish the people who like PvP (and who might not take part in many of the PvE Events) because of PvEers?If I had to guess, because neither the devs want to pvp anymore, nor do they want it for the casual public.
Now there is no incentive for them to flock into Cyrodiil and the Imperial City to get farmed. That is likely the reason.
I don't PvP, and I don't like how during Events SOME PvPers will just camp the quest areas to jump people trying to pick up/turn in quests, but addressing the concerns of PvEers getting ganked/farmed in this manner isn't a good fix. There are any other number of things that ZOS could implement, such as making an area around each quest giver a safe zone, that cut down on that sort of behavior without also punishing PvPers as a whole.
Arunei
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