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Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Ive pvped since 2014 and I think Vengeance is better pvpmode then the "normal" pvp you see in cyrodiil these days, its 99.9% about what sets you use and what class you are, very little about skill. Vengeance is mostly about skill.
olsborg
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Re: is there a list somewhere of the hidden pre-requisites to obtaining furniture loot?
spantifical wrote: »Thanks for the shoutout and enjoy the list!! Hope it helps.
And pardon the mess in my libraries....placing books is such a pain. They're sorted by source in alphabetical order. So left to right is Bastion Nymics, Clockwork City, Coldharbour, etc.
Also, we get 2 books a week for sale in Infinite Archive for 1,000 archival fortunes each. You still need to know the eidetic memory to buy them, but it's a great way to speed up collecting them all.
Any chance for a PC EU house that has this?
I have PC NA and PC EU houses. Just look for "Span's Guild Hall" in Home Tours. (Make sure you aren't under "recommended" houses.) Once at my guild hall, look for the greenhouse. That's the library. Though feel free to use any of the other amenities as well!
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
Tomes as a system is decent at its core. There is some definite things that need to be fixed. To be fair to Zos, it very much appears that they are open to feedback. They are open to fixing the things in their power to fix. We have to keep something in mind. I would be willing to bet that most of the every day development team did not want to include a battle pass in ESO. These aren't decisions made at their level. They just have to execute what the C suite orders. I'm trying to give them some patience and understanding for this.
It's important to keep in mind what a battle pass is. It's a way to keep players busy on content that's already produced, saving money on development costs as well as a way to make money from players paying to get rewards doing old content. They're put in a game because they're proven to work. You can say, I'm not motivated by rewards, but it's proven that a large portion of players will fear missing out on those rewards and pay into the system. That's why I laughed when they said they wanted to eliminate fomo. Now, I'm not saying a battle pass is good or bad, this is just what it's for.
If done in a good way, it can become a great background thing that rewards players for doing tasks and just be an unobtrusive part of the game. We just have to really hope Zos doesn't fall into the trap so many games have, where pretty much all the seasonal content you get is the pass and everything serves as a way to get you into buying it. I don't think we're in danger of that here. It's already made the game world lively. There's people in tons of obscure places, out of the way WBs and public dungeons. As someone that played during the release of TG, DB and Wrothgar, I am overjoyed seeing these awesome zones bustling with people. I can usually make good gold on motifs and stuff from these older zones and that is gone now and that's a good trade. I don't care about pixel fake capitalism.
In the end, what would be the best thing is that tomes fades into the background and is just a thing peppered into our gaming routine. Something that just enhances the flavor and gives us cool stuff while doing it.
There's a few things I think would help but it's just 1 guys opinion. The main thing is the REWARDS. Next seasons are already looking a bit better. But this season really screamed crown store rejects from the back of a drawer that they were certain wouldn't sell. The rewards need to be on point. I also think that all tasks should award the same points, with the chance of rerolling an epic challenge that gives more points and has a harder challenge. This also could act as a gold sink since rerolls will cost gold after your free ones run out. It enhances customization and makes it so folks aren't punished for picking the challenges they want. I also think they should work in some smaller point, no reroll daily challenges for low points for extra flavor. Of course these are just one guys opinions.
It's important to keep in mind what a battle pass is. It's a way to keep players busy on content that's already produced, saving money on development costs as well as a way to make money from players paying to get rewards doing old content. They're put in a game because they're proven to work. You can say, I'm not motivated by rewards, but it's proven that a large portion of players will fear missing out on those rewards and pay into the system. That's why I laughed when they said they wanted to eliminate fomo. Now, I'm not saying a battle pass is good or bad, this is just what it's for.
If done in a good way, it can become a great background thing that rewards players for doing tasks and just be an unobtrusive part of the game. We just have to really hope Zos doesn't fall into the trap so many games have, where pretty much all the seasonal content you get is the pass and everything serves as a way to get you into buying it. I don't think we're in danger of that here. It's already made the game world lively. There's people in tons of obscure places, out of the way WBs and public dungeons. As someone that played during the release of TG, DB and Wrothgar, I am overjoyed seeing these awesome zones bustling with people. I can usually make good gold on motifs and stuff from these older zones and that is gone now and that's a good trade. I don't care about pixel fake capitalism.
In the end, what would be the best thing is that tomes fades into the background and is just a thing peppered into our gaming routine. Something that just enhances the flavor and gives us cool stuff while doing it.
There's a few things I think would help but it's just 1 guys opinion. The main thing is the REWARDS. Next seasons are already looking a bit better. But this season really screamed crown store rejects from the back of a drawer that they were certain wouldn't sell. The rewards need to be on point. I also think that all tasks should award the same points, with the chance of rerolling an epic challenge that gives more points and has a harder challenge. This also could act as a gold sink since rerolls will cost gold after your free ones run out. It enhances customization and makes it so folks aren't punished for picking the challenges they want. I also think they should work in some smaller point, no reroll daily challenges for low points for extra flavor. Of course these are just one guys opinions.
Re: New Base Game Access?
Night Market's accessible to everyone, it doesn't matter if you have an active ESO Plus subscription or have purchased the Premium Tome.
Only the Guilds and Glory DLCs (Imperial City, Orsinium, Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood) and Morrowind were fully moved into the Base Game, with Greymoor being moved later in the year. ZOS hasn't announced any plans for the other DLCs to receive the same treatment.
Only the Guilds and Glory DLCs (Imperial City, Orsinium, Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood) and Morrowind were fully moved into the Base Game, with Greymoor being moved later in the year. ZOS hasn't announced any plans for the other DLCs to receive the same treatment.
Re: Wisteria's motivation? (Tanlorin's questline, text includes spoilers)
Most people, that I have heard, don't care to actually learn about history, because they find it boring. Which is why they don't bother to actually research it or actually take history lessons in school, which to be fair to a lot of people, history in highschool (at least the US and when I went through school back in the 90s) is often an extremely boring drone of 'so and so did this in the year of XXXX and so and so did that in the year of YYYY' rather than actually learning about history. Basically a list of names and dates. Most people are so put off by that that they don't bother sticking around until college level history classes where you get deeper into the actual history and go beyond the most famous names and dates.
Sadly, most people today, I have found, and this might have always been the case, just you didn't often run into this type, don't actually want to learn, they just want their biases confirmed. This is another aspect to why they want the worlds to conform to 21st century morality, because they don't want to, horror of horrors, potentially find themselves sympathizing with a baddie! (unless that baddie has the acceptible motives for being a baddie). They might find themselves liking a character or race that they absolutely shouldn't like, according to 21st century morals at least. They might actually learn that many things aren't simply black and white, but that there are a lot of pesky shades of gray about these subjects.
Then there is the aspect that people want to use these games as an 'escape' from the 'real world', which I can sympathize with, as I often don't want to read yet another author's diatribe about some character they have deemed the bad person in the story, and that character's motives match 1:1 with whatever real life person or group the author doesn't like.
But, while I will just roll my eyes and move on to the next story or game, many of these people don't want to do that, so instead of moving past it, or focusing on the good parts of the story, they want to change the things they don't like, that prevent them from escaping the real world, so to speak. Which, means making the worlds bland, because any conflict has to either have an absolutely obvious good and bad person, with the good person having no unacceptible flaws, and the bad person having no redeemable qualities (unless we get into villain redemption arcs, those tend to be popular), or has to be so bland, to not accidentally mirror any real world conflicts/issues, past or present.
As I have mentioned, one of the pet sites I play deals with this, where any sort of conflict that can be related to a real world concept needs to be sanitized to make sure that it isn't 'insensitive' to a minority group.
Sadly, most people today, I have found, and this might have always been the case, just you didn't often run into this type, don't actually want to learn, they just want their biases confirmed. This is another aspect to why they want the worlds to conform to 21st century morality, because they don't want to, horror of horrors, potentially find themselves sympathizing with a baddie! (unless that baddie has the acceptible motives for being a baddie). They might find themselves liking a character or race that they absolutely shouldn't like, according to 21st century morals at least. They might actually learn that many things aren't simply black and white, but that there are a lot of pesky shades of gray about these subjects.
Then there is the aspect that people want to use these games as an 'escape' from the 'real world', which I can sympathize with, as I often don't want to read yet another author's diatribe about some character they have deemed the bad person in the story, and that character's motives match 1:1 with whatever real life person or group the author doesn't like.
But, while I will just roll my eyes and move on to the next story or game, many of these people don't want to do that, so instead of moving past it, or focusing on the good parts of the story, they want to change the things they don't like, that prevent them from escaping the real world, so to speak. Which, means making the worlds bland, because any conflict has to either have an absolutely obvious good and bad person, with the good person having no unacceptible flaws, and the bad person having no redeemable qualities (unless we get into villain redemption arcs, those tend to be popular), or has to be so bland, to not accidentally mirror any real world conflicts/issues, past or present.
As I have mentioned, one of the pet sites I play deals with this, where any sort of conflict that can be related to a real world concept needs to be sanitized to make sure that it isn't 'insensitive' to a minority group.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
BardokRedSnow wrote: »l
They offered double ap for vengeance only alongside greyhost and people still flocked to greyhost... No amount of meaningless titles or the like would get people to move over, and offering rewards like cosmetics and developing the campaign people right now dont wanna play would only ostracize and push more returning players out yet again.
Trying to force customers to like something vs improving upon what they already like is the worst business strategy possible.
What forum goers don't understand overall, because these players don't typically go to the forums, is that most pvpers come from other games like WoW where the actual gameplay and combat is more important to them than anything else. The game mode that gives them the most build diversity and complexity will always win out over what is simple and available to everyone to access out the jump.
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And a bigger point on that is, if the social aspect was the most important thing, more pvpers would be doing PVE, as PvE is a far bigger social pool than PVP ever could be.
1. So according to you, AP and rewards are not the main motivator for the majority of pvp players. I agree. People who hate pvp will never be enticed no matter how much cosmetics and dyes and AP are offered.
2. ZOS is not forcing customers into Vengeance. They offer incentives to play vengeance. When they're tired of supporting a service, they can disconnect it. Just like how no one forces you to use any kind of software if a dev gets tired of maintaining it. As a customer, you can play or not play. Pretty simple.
3. "Most PvPers come from other games like WoW where actual gameplay and combat is more important than anything else"? Very bold statement. I highly doubt this is the case, but okay. Gameplay and combat mechanics are different from build diversity/gear complexity.
4. "If the social aspect was the most important thing, more PvPers would be doing PvE." These don't logically connect.
Let's just take a look at the minute-to-minute gameplay of Greyhost:
"This. Logged in last night during prime time, 60+ queue, 3 bars across all alliances and the map was so *** dead. No one doing a single thing. Maybe a resource flagged here and there but it felt like people would log in and just go afk on purpose. I stuck around for a hour and dipped, lol"
"When I logged on to PCNA in grayhost on AD, I’d just sit there and talk to people in zone chat. No reason to actually try anything when a Zerg attempts to take a keep and you and 3 other people show up to try to defend."
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/s/Tl5LHIkd1h
Greyhost is failing to provide meaningful combat for the average player. So why do people still queue in? Socializing and afking is what the majority of players do in Greyhost. This is not a bad thing. Human beings are social creatures, you can't force them to unsocialize in a multiplayer game, and realistically speaking, people need breaks and cannot be battling 24/7. It makes more sense for ZOS to lean into the socialization aspect and make grouping and coordination easier and more meaningful, and implement underdog bonuses to address population imbalances and entice participation. They cannot reach a critical population in Greyhost anymore, so they have to switch to Vengeance.
This dissertation would have set you back to Freshman year.
The entire point of Vengeance was supposedly performance driven, and yes on April 20th we are forced into Vengeance. Many of us only play ESO for the PvP.
The basis of Vengeance doesn’t even offer the current state of ESO, you can gripe about ballgroups or certain sets all you want, whatever, but to pretend Vengeance is a healthy option for ESO PvP is a lie. You can’t play any new system put out in Vengeance, WW mains be damned. It’s like a demo of the game but worse. It’s not a fair or realistic replacement for a system that has been enjoyed for a decade despite a dev team doing anything and everything to make it worse and not better.
It's like going to a nice steak house to order a kids menu.
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
BardokRedSnow wrote: »l
They offered double ap for vengeance only alongside greyhost and people still flocked to greyhost... No amount of meaningless titles or the like would get people to move over, and offering rewards like cosmetics and developing the campaign people right now dont wanna play would only ostracize and push more returning players out yet again.
Trying to force customers to like something vs improving upon what they already like is the worst business strategy possible.
What forum goers don't understand overall, because these players don't typically go to the forums, is that most pvpers come from other games like WoW where the actual gameplay and combat is more important to them than anything else. The game mode that gives them the most build diversity and complexity will always win out over what is simple and available to everyone to access out the jump.
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And a bigger point on that is, if the social aspect was the most important thing, more pvpers would be doing PVE, as PvE is a far bigger social pool than PVP ever could be.
1. So according to you, AP and rewards are not the main motivator for the majority of pvp players. I agree. People who hate pvp will never be enticed no matter how much cosmetics and dyes and AP are offered.
2. ZOS is not forcing customers into Vengeance. They offer incentives to play vengeance. When they're tired of supporting a service, they can disconnect it. Just like how no one forces you to use any kind of software if a dev gets tired of maintaining it. As a customer, you can play or not play. Pretty simple.
3. "Most PvPers come from other games like WoW where actual gameplay and combat is more important than anything else"? Very bold statement. I highly doubt this is the case, but okay. Gameplay and combat mechanics are different from build diversity/gear complexity.
4. "If the social aspect was the most important thing, more PvPers would be doing PvE." These don't logically connect.
Let's just take a look at the minute-to-minute gameplay of Greyhost:
"This. Logged in last night during prime time, 60+ queue, 3 bars across all alliances and the map was so *** dead. No one doing a single thing. Maybe a resource flagged here and there but it felt like people would log in and just go afk on purpose. I stuck around for a hour and dipped, lol"
"When I logged on to PCNA in grayhost on AD, I’d just sit there and talk to people in zone chat. No reason to actually try anything when a Zerg attempts to take a keep and you and 3 other people show up to try to defend."
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/s/Tl5LHIkd1h
Greyhost is failing to provide meaningful combat for the average player. So why do people still queue in? Socializing and afking is what the majority of players do in Greyhost. This is not a bad thing. Human beings are social creatures, you can't force them to unsocialize in a multiplayer game, and realistically speaking, people need breaks and cannot be battling 24/7. It makes more sense for ZOS to lean into the socialization aspect and make grouping and coordination easier and more meaningful, and implement underdog bonuses to address population imbalances and entice participation. They cannot reach a critical population in Greyhost anymore, so they have to switch to Vengeance.
This dissertation would have set you back to Freshman year.
The entire point of Vengeance was supposedly performance driven, and yes on April 20th we are forced into Vengeance. Many of us only play ESO for the PvP.
The basis of Vengeance doesn’t even offer the current state of ESO, you can gripe about ballgroups or certain sets all you want, whatever, but to pretend Vengeance is a healthy option for ESO PvP is a lie. You can’t play any new system put out in Vengeance, WW mains be damned. It’s like a demo of the game but worse. It’s not a fair or realistic replacement for a system that has been enjoyed for a decade despite a dev team doing anything and everything to make it worse and not better.
It's like going to a nice steak restaurant to order a kids menu.
More like getting Golden Corral to-go.
SneaK
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