BardokRedSnow wrote: »

I popped in rq to see how the Vengeance was Coming along:




And here's how the last Greyhost campaign went:



Despite all the chest pounding and boasting in this thread from the Vengeance fans, it is on day two already a dead campaign. Everyone is seemingly just logging in on their ep toons to take everything, so much that while ep is over 4K points already, everyone else is under 1k. Thats pretty telling. And yes I know it resets early, even with the math incorporating this, this is really really bad, and in fact if it wasnt regularly resetting, the difference would be even greater.

This campaign is actually deader than Ravenwatch and Blackreach, impressive. And Zos decided to halt our very competitive, very active Greyhost pvp, for this. Pvers claim they want Vengeance yet not enough of them are saying this to make the campaign function, much less make it competitive.

Give it a rest Zos, and focus again on Greyhost. This is ridiculous.

It’s a good reminder why GH is, rightfully, faction locked.

More engagement in this thread than in Vengeance.

Lylith wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Pushing and forcing players into groups is just going to push them away.

it works, too.

my playtime on eso has dropped from hours to minutes almost overnight.

working as intended?

So...the existence of optional tasks for cosmetics made you lose interest in whatever you were just spending hours on just yesterday? Seems odd.

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

BretonMage wrote: »

Mythics are nothing compared to antiquity furnishings. Their RNG is much more favourable than those for furnishings, and I've never spent more than a week farming for a Mythic. Also one never needs multiple copies of a mythic, unlike furnishings.

I fail to see why housing enthusiasts should be discriminated against in this game. Why should we be the ones burdened with impossible-to-obtain items? Our time is no less valuable than others'.

AzuraFan wrote: »

...chasing a lead for weeks/months with no luck is a terrible player experience. Most players like to be rewarded for the time they invest in a game. When you put in tons of time and get a bit fat zero in return, that's when you start looking at other games.

anadandy wrote: »

Furnishings leads should be a one and done (or for multipart items like crafting stations one complete and done.) Then you can buy subsequent Furnishings at the achievement vendor. No one is getting OP because they bought 10 Colovian tapestries.

allochthons wrote: »

...That's the kind of pain nested lead RNG leads to. I actively avoided an activity for 5 years. Even now, I feel a bit sick going in. There's putting in a fun amount of challenge in earning something, and then there's appalling RNG which ruins parts of the game for people....

☝️ What all of them (and more) said, no notes.

Except to say for the millionth time that nested RNG from Maps sucks the most.

I'll can also address this comment:

People (OP included) complain about dead zones now, but they want everything in a zone to just be handed to them so they never return there... that's the most illogical take ever.

Akshually *pushes up glasses anime-style*, when the zone hands me things for reasonable effort, I am more likely to return there and get more of the thing I want. E.g.: Leads for West Weald Ayleid smoke-machine Trees, Spellscar Shards (a very useful light), etc. Plants from Solstice harvesting mean that if I'm going harvesting at all, I'm most likely to do it in Solstice (versus Vvardenfell, where plants theoretically drop but the rates are so minuscule that it's a disappointing waste of time, not fun). And so on.

Conversely, when the effort-to-reward ratio is imbalanced, I give up completely. E.g. I no longer buy nor use West Weald nor Solstice Maps, despite previously caring very much about 2 furnishings there. I also gave up on the Trifold Mirror of Alternatives because fighting Nightmare WB 12032820 times sucks. Likewise the Moons-Blessed Ceremonial Pool: just getting 3/3 took too long. I LIKED that delve, but now it's ruined for me – exactly as allochthons said above.

As I said in this related thread:

MoonPile wrote: »

It's less so even the Maps themselves (saying so even as a Map-hater) than the 3/3 codex completion requirement and the worsened RNG for 2/3 - 3/3.

It could be solved by keeping 1/3 chances as-is and removing the 3/3-to-buy requirement.

Then, if someone wants to keep using maps beyond 1/3, they can: every lead after 1/3 is a "free" item. Just like every other pickup Antiquity: I'm more than happy to get another "free" croc skull or Ayleid-smoke-machine-tree.

There’s another level of devious here.

The complaint is “I feel compelled to do everything but I am burnt out.” Essentially, the complaint is to have a period where special rewards are not offered. But… if you don’t do the tasks, do already don’t get the rewards. But that’s not enough to just ignore the tasks and rewards; no, nobody should have rewards.

So it really looks like “I don’t want other people to get rewards because I personally am burnt out.”

ESO is an MMO, which means they want you to have lots to do. Nothing to do means dead game. It’s up to us to not make it a job.

And if it does feel like a job? Stop. You’re not being forced to play. You’re not being forced to run writs to keep a guild alive. If you are not having fun managing your guild and it leaves you no time for anything else and all of your officers are leaving and nobody from the guild is pitching in… then maybe consider folding the guild. If people wanted the guild active, they’d help run it. And you deserve to do what you want to.

Preface: I need to get this off my chest. Please don't tell me how to play,

As if killing 1000 enemies plus 100 bosses wasn't enough to keep up with, now there's a short term Golden Pursuit. No, neither of those things fit in MY normal play schedule.

Can we have some down time? When I can choose what **I** want to do?

Can we just have some time with only 1 thing? Not constant new quests. new zones. etc? (while older zones remain bugged)

I am so burnt out on the game already, please ZOS, just let us PLAY sometimes!

I would really love to understand how people can claim optional events require their participation and then complain about it. People have choices on what to do. If you want a break, take a break. If you don't want to kill 100 bosses of any kind, don't. Get some actual willpower and don't let some optional content overpower it.

imPDA wrote: »

Sorry if you find it rude, but why you picked MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then? I would say, it is rare case you can do something solo in MMO, in pretty much all games you will one way or another play with or against others. ZOS needs to create a new game and separate solo questing to The Elder Scrolls Offline. It would resolve another problem - it would mean you are going to have PvE IC and Cyrodiil

Because some people want to play with friends? Not necessarily in a group but be able to chat in game while both enjoying the game they both love?

Some people want to have a world that seems to be alive, with other people going about their business.

Some people want a live service game that gets regular updates. While offline games do get updates, they are often sporadic and often break more than they help. Plus, many offline games are 'we released this game, enjoy' and the developers move on to something else.

Some people want to help others occasionally and obtain help occasionally without needing to be grouped.

TL;DR: Massively Multiplayer Online does not mean 'Mandatory groups, Must always be in a group, while Online'.

It just means there are multiple players playing at the same time and can interact with each other. Grouping optional.

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

Agreed.

I've cut my subs from 3 to 2, and am barely logging in these days. That's partly down to the enjoyment I'm having with a couple of other games, but that in turn is relative and relates in part to the fact that there seems little incentive to log into ESO with the changes they've made to it.