I'd like to correct my previous statement: Due to the poor Chinese translation of the Worgen's skills, I misunderstood some skill effects and mechanics.

After retranslating and understanding the skill effects and mechanics myself, I found that the new Worgen doesn't necessarily need to rely on sets like Eye of the Grasp to gain ultimate points to maintain Worgen form, but it does need to accumulate Fury as quickly as possible to gain Rampage status. The advantage of this is that the Worgen can wear two damage sets, which increases its DPS by at least 10%.

I believe the new Worgen will have a chance to be included in HM Trials in PvE, as it can provide the team with Minor Courage, Feeding Frenzy (6% damage buff), and Major Courage, and can deal approximately 120K damage. Furthermore, due to Ferocious Roar's own synergy, the Worgen can use Roar of Alkosh. Therefore, even if the new Worgen's DPS isn't top-tier, its excellent support capabilities make it a viable option for teams to bring a Worgen to provide buffs.

Moreover, if you use Claw Fur, you only need to press 4+1 buttons to reach 120K, which is very easy to operate.

DPS Werewolf




Support Werewolf

Heya! No big debate here, just sharing some screenshots of the male vs female model, in hopes of helping people spot the differences. They're subtle but they do exist, even if I wish they were more severe. But, putting these here for educational purposes, weee.

Differences I noticed with the female from the male: Shorter snout, taller yet narrower neck/shoulder fur?, less jaw fur, slimmer and softer stomach, slimmer biceps, shorter ears, and a bigger/longer tail. Then of course the fur bra.

For the images, I share the male first, then the female.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

SolarRune wrote: »

These changes as a group seem to be targeting low CPM builds - so maybe we won't have viable beam builds on every class as some have suggested, if the main sets that make these builds accessible are being hit.

Although it did say in patch notes they would review the numbers and adjust where necessary. So I hope this is more about just the technicalities of how the damage is applied/calculated and not a direct attack on the accessibility builds.

They aren't "targeting" anything or anyone.

Did you read the dev comment? They are cleaning up a programming error that has artificially privileged certain item sets above others in a completely unintended way. It is very clear about why the change is being made.

The only value that should be buffed back up is Empower, IMO.

While I'm not opposed to the change, these sets have functioned this way for years and it is going to be disruptive to a lot of players for this change to go into effect. It particularly hurts players that are just breaking into harder content and heavy attack players that have seen many nerfs since U35.

Here's the actual notes and developer comment about this:

Fixed an issue where some bonuses that granted “damage done to monsters” were multiplicative with other damage bonuses, instead of additive. Affects the following;
Ansuul’s Torment: Also adjusted this set to 6% damage done to monsters, increasing to 18% for 30 seconds after interrupting, rather than 7% and increasing to 14% for 10 seconds after interrupting.
Bahsei’s Mania: Increased this set’s bonus to 12% max, up from 10%.
Empower
Shadow Cloak
Tidborn Wildstalker
Velothi Ur-Mage's Amulet

[Developer Comment]
Spoiler
This fix will result in the affected effects to be reduced in power when used in tandem with other percent based damage bonuses. While we've gently increased some of the affected effects, some of these remain untouched until we get more data on average value impacts (since the change in power was dependent on what other bonuses were being ran in tandem), which we can rectify during PTS or in a future update if necessary.

No where do they say that the multiplicative way of calculating monster damage was a programing error or completely unintended. They also don't say that they are targeting any player or group.

It does say that they are open to buffing these sets and bonuses if the nerf effect is too great. I really hope that they follow through on this, particularly for empower and heavy attack builds which are now low damage setups that are not really viable outside of overland.

After actually skimming through most of the thread and reading a few posts, can we like...not automatically call for nerfs on something that's been in testing for a whole two days? Maybe we could try, I don't know, asking ZOS to change the damage the Skills do vs players like with some other Skills out there.

For one, how many unique builds are there to even test against in the PTS? How can you reliably test if something is 'too strong' if there's only a fraction of the people in the PTS compared to Live and even less of a fraction of those people are doing stuff in Cyro? If you're facing the same handful of people that have no real variation in build, then things are going to come across as skewed. And if we're talking a duel against one person, that's such a miniscule sample size it might as well not even exist.

Second, it's a giant rampaging monster, it stands to reason it's doing to do a decent amount of damage. You know how in PvE the higher-end content it's often recommended to carry a couple of different Gear Sets and Skill Bar loadouts so you can swap depending on the situation? Why not have the same thing for WW? Why not adapt some and have a Skill or two on your backbar to help with Snares or other CC to run out a WW's Ult? Idk about Pack Leader but for Berserker, WW form drops FAST if you don't have things around to constantly munch on. But isn't that whole "adapt evolve overcome" or however it goes meme always what people throw around when others bring up complaints or concerns about something?

Third, I keep seeing people say "oh but a 1bar build shouldn't be able to do as much damage as a 2bar build" and I genuinely don't understand that logic. Yes, 2bar builds take more effort, you need to upkeep this or that more, micromanage more buffs or whatever, but at the same time locking people out of doing actual good damage because they have more fun with something that's easier to run baffles me. A lot of people have any number of reasons why 1bar builds are more accessible, and it just doesn't sit right with me that those people should get told "you're not doing as much work as me you don't get to do as much damage". Plus I mean, you're giving up build variation and any number of things when you go 1bar, you have to pick and choose carefully what you're going to put on your bar. You have less freedom.

WW doing a lot of damage on a 1bar build a) makes it accessible to people who have issues (such as anything related to chronic pain or injuries or slow/bad internet) that make a 2bar build largely impossible, and b) again, it's a rampaging monster brought about by a curse of a God-like being. Of course it's gonna hit hard. WW has been in such an awful state for so long, I'd really like for it not to get neutered again before it hits Live.

All that said, I forgot to mention in my other post but I like the WW markings, including the glow. I can see how other people don't like it, though, and it is a bit of a weird design choice to make them have glowing marks when afaik there's never been any kind of WW in any of the TES games that have glowy marks on them. I'd say jusr make variants of the WW Skill Styles that don't have the glowing marks.

Also, I know the Patch Notes said there's no unique animation for the Prowl mechanic, and there is the big ole eye in the middle of the screen, but...is there really no way to give WWs some sort of crouched animation? Like it doesn't even have to be tied to the Prowl mechanic, just SOME sort of change in posture to indicate implied sneakiness.