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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
But this is what you said in another thread:
Did you mean "top theorycrafter" as in one of the best or "the best"? Because I understood it as you claiming yourself to be the best theorycrafter.I will claim things like dueling tournament wins, win rate/KDR records etc that are verifiable though, because I take great pride in my accomplishments and wish the game had more competition in that sense and more things to compete over, like ranked leaderboards/arenas etc. I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.
AgreedI hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
React, Alchemist, and Pelican have all participated in dueling tournaments on PC NA in the past and individually won a few tourneys. I have also won a 40 million gold tournament in 2021 on my stamsorc vs a stacked pool of competitors when I still did tourneys.
Also, what elitism? I've never called anyone bad in the thread lol. I've simply stated 2 things that are objectively valid:
1) Most people are not good enough to play WW to its fullest potential
2) Are people qualified enough to provide an unbiased opinion on combat balance?
None of these are elitist by nature. I don't comment on PvE threads because I'm not a good PvEr. If some guy says Sorc should be nerfed in PvE because it's doing 200k+ DPS and has the evidence to prove it, I'm not going to disagree with him just because I can't personally do 200k DPS.
All you have is testimony though. This is the problem anyone that disagrees with you has. You are not able to provide anything meaningful- if I wanted to ‘prove my point’ I can go to PTS with my buddy, tell him to wear the squishiest gear possible on a 70k health build (or some shnap), and sit there while I have Relequen, etc. and pull a parse in a 1v1.
You are not qualified because we neither voted you in to represent us nor did you win in anything ZOS-related (ZOS tourney, etc.). Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses- especially those that provide testimony or omit information while passing a parse off as evidence.
???? I have literally posted several screenshots of duels, including Pelican's video showcasing real duels against top players.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtbITjCW-4&t=224s
Isn't this you commenting there?
" In multiple 'duels' (FYI we DO NOT balance around duels 'ere'), the opponent is quite literally lost."
"I mean you fought a werewolf who clearly had no idea they had a CC and did not use it on you throughut the entire duel."
Okay, please come to PTS and duel Pelican. He's there right now. Show everyone here what a nondisingenuous duel looks like.
Nothing I said was incorrect or invalid here? This is what was initially requested if your ‘party’. I beg your finest pardon.
I’m not watching 17 min of this drek when it isn’t this wasn’t what was requested but just a humble 20 seconds in (00:00:20-00:00:30) you can already see a player (again this is a proof video with NO information for self or opponent) that is just lost. They just used one pounce and then broke down and completely forgot they had anything including a CC.
And? You cherry picked a 10s clip in an 18 min compilation showing real fights against multiple top duelers. What happened in the remaining 1080 seconds of the clip HUH? Are we gonna ignore those parts?
That was literally 20 seconds in. I didn’t cherry-pick anything xD. May want to use AI to figure out what that means.https://youtu.be/a1qiAMlAO-E?si=8Q5JJlAFGSl5P2XD
Can we put this 'is it WW or is it Sorc?' debate to bed now?
Would love for this thread to go back to general Werewolf feedback, as there's all kinds of bugs and weirdness going on with it RN that could use detailed feedback for both PvE and PvP and everything else, but instead we got endless pages of petty back and forth that should probably go in a thread of it's own at this point.
WW is still broken in PvP. My original concern was for PvP. This debate still goes on.
This thing, you quoted here (the video) is showing a legitimate 220k parse for sorc rn, haha.
Sorc class mastery OP 0.o
You have to be ragebaiting. That’s it you won. I’m done entertaining this lol
hoangdz
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Re: The Silence On Antiquity Leads Is Defeaning!
spartaxoxo wrote: »I'm somewhat convinced that there's a secret rng thingy for leads that determines if you'll have much luck that day. And if you do, you can get multiple leads. But if not, grind all day, it won't matter. So, I don't even try for leads until I get a decently rare one randomly doing other stuff.
Idk if it's actually working but it's saving my sanity and have gotten a couple rare leads fairly quickly with this system. Which that possible coincidence is good enough for me.
Yes, you are right. You get the point. There are tables, and when you log in you random go in one table. Tables have different rate to obtain items (leads or other rare drops). If you log in a good table, you'll get items, otherwise not.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
"xylena nobody cares what you did many years ago"you open yourself up to being memed at
"hey guys I won a tournament many years ago"
Jokes aside, you criticize my posts of short duels, but 8-10 second kills are far more representative of actual open world engagements than an extended duel against a tank build.
xylena
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
But this is what you said in another thread:
Did you mean "top theorycrafter" as in one of the best or "the best"? Because I understood it as you claiming yourself to be the best theorycrafter.
Shame you didn't screenshot the context to this deleted forum exchange, because I believe it was a tongue in cheek response to a similarily ridiculous statement, just with the "by results" added in since none of you can ever type that.
I hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
React, Alchemist, and Pelican have all participated in dueling tournaments on PC NA in the past and individually won a few tourneys. I have also won a 40 million gold tournament in 2021 on my stamsorc vs a stacked pool of competitors when I still did tourneys.
I'm not going to address people not part of this conversation, but you're telling me you've won one tournament... 5 years ago. On NA. Ok, congrats.
Also, what elitism? I've never called anyone bad in the thread lol. I've simply stated 2 things that are objectively valid:
1) Most people are not good enough to play WW to its fullest potential.
Are you? Have you actually played werewolf? Or the people you keep referencing? I played one half the PvP event in January/February, it's actually one of the most difficult playstyles to pull off on Live.
2) Are people qualified enough to provide an unbiased opinion on combat balance?
Are you? You've won one tournament in 2021 and other than that it's just a bunch of friends calling you "the best stamina sorcerer" or whatever.
When it comes to combat balance, you can't just take an opinion of a seasoned PvPer with deep understanding of the game and weigh it the same as someone who barely does PvP or doesn't have that kind of knowledge or mechanics. None of these are elitist by nature, they're just common sense. I don't comment on PvE threads because I'm not a good PvEr. If some guy says Sorc should be nerfed in PvE because it's doing 200k+ DPS and has the evidence to prove it, I'm not going to disagree with him just because I can't personally do 200k DPS.
The problem is that most of the "seasoned PvPers" only play whatever is the strongest build at that moment and have a strong interest in maintaining status quo or seeing other builds and playstyles weakened/unbuffed. Having limited experience playing other builds also means you lack critical insight on how those other playstyles and builds function, where their strengths and weaknesses lie and so on.
People who won a tournament half a decade ago farming squishies in Cyrodiil and telling each other they're the best players ever and everyone else is bad or clueless is precisely the elitism I'm referring to.
Decimus
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
You aren't making sense. If you want to appeal to authority in a given field you appeal to the best in that field, not the jack of all trades, which is... idk like half the players ITT are "good" at both dueling and open world, including me and you.
Why would I appeal to a duelist when my main focus is balance in both Cyro and dueling? Duelists run the most cancerous builds possible that only work in duels. Openworld players run too much defense and don't provide accurate values either. Pelican, React, and Alchemist are some of the best in that "jack of all trades" field, where you build just enough survivability to 1vX but still have enough damage to compete with most builds in a 1v1 setting. If I wanted the best dueling build I would go to Shoyru. When I want opinion on 1vX builds that can still 1v1, I go to the players mentioned above.My turn. I name drop @Decimus. He's right over there, why you still talking to me?
Decimus proclaims himself as "the best theorycrafter in the game". Do you know how absurd that statement is lol? Credibility is given through people's perception of you, not your own self-proclamation. I've often been called "Best Stamsorc PC NA" by many people but I still haven't taken that title myself either because I know a few stamsorcs who are either just as experienced or even better. When you call yourself the best you open yourself up to being memed at.
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
I will claim things like dueling tournament wins, win rate/KDR records etc that are verifiable though, because I take great pride in my accomplishments and wish the game had more competition in that sense and more things to compete over, like ranked leaderboards/arenas etc. I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.
I hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
Decimus
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Re: Sorc pet hate has to stop
On this episode of Radiate77 is right, we will be going into Core Combat systems for a deep dive…
Tab Targeting has been a part of ESO’s combat system since the beginning, as ESO was designed to be a hybrid Tab Target/Action MMORPG.
Years ago; when Cyrodiil’s population was exploding, the use of Tab Target to mark Templars was essential to winning Alliance fights, as players are oft to exploit their ability to phase between others to mitigate damage.
Tab Targeting allows you to bypass that exploit and focus down your opponent…
As seen in this GIF, your character will quite literally bypass what is in front of you, to attack something else. Be it through an enemy to hit the one behind it, or to attack something you’re not even facing, Tab Targeting solves any issues one might have with targeting for abilities.
Tab Targeting has been a part of ESO’s combat system since the beginning, as ESO was designed to be a hybrid Tab Target/Action MMORPG.
Years ago; when Cyrodiil’s population was exploding, the use of Tab Target to mark Templars was essential to winning Alliance fights, as players are oft to exploit their ability to phase between others to mitigate damage.
Tab Targeting allows you to bypass that exploit and focus down your opponent…
As seen in this GIF, your character will quite literally bypass what is in front of you, to attack something else. Be it through an enemy to hit the one behind it, or to attack something you’re not even facing, Tab Targeting solves any issues one might have with targeting for abilities.
Re: Sorc pet hate has to stop
There is nothing oppressive about fighting a pet build. Tab target your opponent, or kill their twilight and they fall over without the heal.
I also want to note, that this is highly ironic… in another thread you’re pushing for Werewolf not to be nerfed, but it’s okay to come after something performing much less effective.
If anything, they need a buff.
Remove the two-bar limitation, it’s 2026.
Re: Set rebalance ideas themed around Werewolves
QuinnTheWolf wrote: »Salvation:
This is the set that sparked this idea in its entirely, wile 'savage werewolf' was the oil
Stat change on 2, 3 and 4 pieces: (stamina > stamina recovery > stamina)
alter it to something like this:
(2 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(3 items) Adds 657 Critical rating - OR - 129 Weapon and Spell damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell damage - OR - 1072 Magicka and Stamina (not magicka or stamina, both! because we can now hybridize or use magicka dps as a doggo)
For the 5 piece bonus, it is now completely useless even for new players, this holds no significance.
33% cost reduction worked with the old werewolf because it had a flat ult cost
The weapon and spell damage should be always available.
So i propose this!
(much more furious werewolves with a timer penalty, basicaly be enraged the entire time)
(5 items) Adds 175 weapon and spell damage,
Reduces your maximum Fury to 500, allowing you to enter fury more quickly, but lasts 12.5 OR 15 seconds down from 20 seconds - OR - Reduce the bonus damage gained from fury wilst keeping the 20 seconds duration
You generate a little health every 2 seconds wilst in fury mode - OR - no healing at all and disable health recovery
- OR -
(passive fury generation thats not too powerful compared to the previous idea wilst keeping the set's core identity as letting you stay in werewolf form for much longer)
(5 items)
Adds 175 weapon and spell damage:
When you are in combat wilst in werewolf form, grants you 15 fury 3 seconds
you count as one extra werewolf for the "Call of the Pack" passive.
Berserkers would count as 2 (you being one, the set being one)
and pack leaders would gain full advantage ( 1 per direwolf, 1 for yourself, 1 for the set)
I wouldn't say salvation is worthless now. It definitely helps berserker maintain their forms especially when activating the ultimate at lower amounts, same goes for shapeshifter's chain but that also works for other transformation ultimates as they both reduce the ult cost of staying in form.
I think gain x fury when you use a werewolf ability is a good idea. Or just decrease cost of enrage by 33% (But they need to remove the free casting werewolf abilities during enrage state).
Salvations
(2 items) Adds 129 weapon and spell damage
(3 items) Adds 657 Critical rating
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell damage
(5 items) Reduce the cost of werewolf transformation and Enrage by 33%
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
@YandereGirlfriend tagging you regardless but honestly,
Is there anything else you would like to share about the Werewolf changes - Suggestion
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691459/werewolf-class-mastery-suggestion-please-reply-for-visibility#latest
“Keeping this short and simple- trying to get a suggestion out there regarding werewolf and class mastery. This is essentially a spin of another suggestion I saw in the general werewolf feedback thread so feel free to tag whomever for credit.
-Give werewolf its own ‘class mastery’ line (only while transformed so one may benefit from running pure class- even if not for MAXIMUM efficiency it remains viable).
While transformed, you are unfortunately locked out of standard class mastery in this scenario however can access the same on the werewolf-side for werewolf. To avoid further power spikes (until we post something to live to see actual flow), make these class mastery passives on the lower end of power ‘increases’ and/or more flavor or utility oriented.
As a result, we should keep standard class passives (as we always have), and return weapon passives to us (we need the pen and the movement speed is essential when barred completely from a purge/snare removal).
~I’m sure it’s a bit of work but to me this seems like a fair suggestion and we have ~4-5 weeks to make it happen so seems relatively fair there as well (idk, I don’t code so gl out there!)”
-likewise!This isn't the evidence that you think it is.
Is there anything else you would like to share about the Werewolf changes - Suggestion
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/691459/werewolf-class-mastery-suggestion-please-reply-for-visibility#latest
“Keeping this short and simple- trying to get a suggestion out there regarding werewolf and class mastery. This is essentially a spin of another suggestion I saw in the general werewolf feedback thread so feel free to tag whomever for credit.
-Give werewolf its own ‘class mastery’ line (only while transformed so one may benefit from running pure class- even if not for MAXIMUM efficiency it remains viable).
While transformed, you are unfortunately locked out of standard class mastery in this scenario however can access the same on the werewolf-side for werewolf. To avoid further power spikes (until we post something to live to see actual flow), make these class mastery passives on the lower end of power ‘increases’ and/or more flavor or utility oriented.
As a result, we should keep standard class passives (as we always have), and return weapon passives to us (we need the pen and the movement speed is essential when barred completely from a purge/snare removal).
~I’m sure it’s a bit of work but to me this seems like a fair suggestion and we have ~4-5 weeks to make it happen so seems relatively fair there as well (idk, I don’t code so gl out there!)”
Wuuffyy
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I've never said that? If that's what other people say it's not something I can control - sorry if it bothers you and your friends.
But this is what you said in another thread:
Did you mean "top theorycrafter" as in one of the best or "the best"? Because I understood it as you claiming yourself to be the best theorycrafter.I will claim things like dueling tournament wins, win rate/KDR records etc that are verifiable though, because I take great pride in my accomplishments and wish the game had more competition in that sense and more things to compete over, like ranked leaderboards/arenas etc. I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.
AgreedI hope you also understand the irony of you making this statement after all the elitism on this thread - in the end it's just what you/your friends think of each other, not something backed up by anything competitive.
React, Alchemist, and Pelican have all participated in dueling tournaments on PC NA in the past and individually won a few tourneys. I have also won a 40 million gold tournament in 2021 on my stamsorc vs a stacked pool of competitors when I still did tourneys.
Also, what elitism? I've never called anyone bad in the thread lol. I've simply stated 2 things that are objectively valid:
1) Most people are not good enough to play WW to its fullest potential
2) Are people qualified enough to provide an unbiased opinion on combat balance?
None of these are elitist by nature. I don't comment on PvE threads because I'm not a good PvEr. If some guy says Sorc should be nerfed in PvE because it's doing 200k+ DPS and has the evidence to prove it, I'm not going to disagree with him just because I can't personally do 200k DPS.
All you have is testimony though
. This is the problem anyone that disagrees with you has. You are not able to provide anything meaningful- if I wanted to ‘prove my point’ I can go to PTS with my buddy, tell him to wear the squishiest gear possible on a 70k health build (or some shnap), and sit there while I have Relequen, etc. and pull a parse in a 1v1.You are not qualified because we neither voted you in to represent us nor did you win in anything ZOS-related (ZOS tourney, etc.). Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses- especially those that provide testimony or omit information while passing a parse off as evidence.
Wuuffyy
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