hoangdz wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

So under normal conditions in normal fights, WW does 4-6k like every other sweaty player in duels has been doing for the past X years.

Also, you are treading into topics you have zero knowledge about. I have spent a considerable amount of time dueling in Stormhaven on PC NA and I have NEVER seen your name there. You clearly do not know what a normal DPS value looks like in a duel, nor do you know what's bad or unhealthy DPS. So let me give you some baseline DPS values going forward so we can stop spewing false information:

Bad DPS:
<2k for burst builds
<3k for pressure builds

With this DPS, the only people you're going to kill are complete newbies. If you consistently pull <2k DPS, then there are only 2 scenarios:

1) Your opponent's pressure is so great that you're permanently stuck on back bar.
2) You genuinely have bad mechanics

I have done <2.5k DPS before on my burst build, but that was against a full cancer build with 7k+ DPS. I was basically stuck on back bar 80% of the fight trying to survive. Most people who do <2k-3k DPS generally fall into the 2nd category.

Average DPS:
2k - 2.5k for burst builds
3.5k - 4k for pressure builds

This is where the majority of the playerbase sits at. You have just enough damage to kill other average players, but not enough to kill better ones. The only exception is a pure burst build, which often deals around 3k - 3.5k DPS but can still have the potential to 100-0 someone. The requirement is that you must have exceptional mechanics to kill better players.

Good DPS:
2.5k - 3.5k for burst builds
4k- 4.5k for pressure builds

If your DPS falls in this range, you're above average. Generally, you will win 6-7/10 of your fights with this kind of DPS (8-9/10 if you have exceptional mechanics). The people you're going to lose to are:

1) Those with significantly more DPS
2) Those better than you
3) Those outplaying you

This category is where average players with pressure duel builds and top tier ones with burst builds live. The DPS advantage of pressure duel builds often allow average players to achieve greater DPS than their mechanics alllow, while top-tier players make up for the lack of DPS with their mechanics.

This is where I normally sit at. My burst build can consistently deal 3.5k-4.5k DPS to most people if I weave perfectly (even exceeding some people on pressure builds), but I don't have enough pressure to push past 4.5k unless my opponent is extremely squishy.

Excellent DPS:
4k - 4.5k for burst builds
5k - 5.5k for pressure builds

If you're in this category, then you will win 9/10 of your duels. This is where the top 1% of duelers are at. Go to Stormhaven and you'll maybe find 1-2 people who can achieve this level of DPS.

To achieve this stage, you must have excellent mechanics and a min-maxed build partly specced for dueling. It doesn't necessarily have to be 100% a dueling build, but the stats on it should be very high and maximized, and parts of the skills/gears should lean towards 1v1s. Something like Zaan/Essence Thief/Rallying Cry/Monomyth can easily achieve >4.5k DPS with top-tier mechanics. Some classes can make it easier to reach this DPS (DK for example), but you'll still need very good weaving/rotations to consistently pull off 5k- 5.5k DPS.

I sometimes reach 5k DPS on my burst build, but only if my opponent is extremely squishy.

Top-tier DPS:
>5.5k to <6.5k

If you have this DPS, then congratulations, you're in a very small group of duelers who barely lose. The only losses you take are from getting outplayed by someone on or better than your skill level AND with similar DPS. Most Stormhaven duels feel pretty boring for you.

To achieve this level, you must have nigh-perfect weaving and a min-maxed build mostly specced for dueling. Your skills and gears should be used strictly for 1v1 fights. This is where you will see builds incorporate several proc sets and duel skills (like Trap Beast, Unstable Core, etc.)

Uncounterable DPS:
>6.5k

At this stage, you don't lose. Most fights last less than 30 seconds, with some taking as little as 5 seconds. Fights at this stage become a healing check for your opponent. People simply do not have the healing or defense to survive your damage at all. The only losses you incur are from self-mistakes, nothing more. People could be doing their absolute best and you would still obliterate them.

To achieve this stage, you need to have nigh-perfect mechanics and a build purely specced for dueling. However, some builds are just so cancer than you only need to have decent mechanics and still pull 6.5k+ DPS. Pyrebrand/Rele DK is a prime example.

The highest DPS build I've fought against before U49-U50 was Pyrebrand/Rele DK, reaching 7k DPS. That build had 29k HP and 4 damage CPs. U50 WW is almost reaching that DPS with 40k HP, no class mastery passives and the 33% WD modifier. To claim that WW is somehow similar to builds in previous patches is an absurd statement.