Alright, so werewolf without sorc class masteries does roughly the same DPS/HPS as the previously reworked DK.

Excellent, we've reached the "new standard", hopefully we can add warden to this category in U51!

Meanwhile, maybe we can be a bit more specific about the actual issue so there's not gazillion posts providing very misleading "feedback" about "werewolf"?

Just a thought.

My last two dueling tournaments on PC/EU were #1 & #3, I guess this qualifies my post and makes it acceptable!

Ok, I finally got the time to play around and check some things out in here. Apologies for the delay; it's been a week so I didn't get much of a chance to do anything.

First: I really like it overall. It's a lot of fun. I'm again looking at this mostly from a casual, play-around fun-based standpoint. Most of the things I have to give input on are more general instead of for any specific skills. I feel like the skills are fine, but it did take a bit of patience to learn how they all interacted with each other due to the extensive tooltips.

First:
There's still a lot of information missing. The tooltips are already long enough, and even some of them don't give all of the information they need (neither of the tooltips for the Transformation morphs say exactly how much damage and movement is increased; you need to unmorph it to see that information)

The big problem though is that the Prowl and Slaughter mechanics are not mentioned anywhere outside of the Patch Notes. If it weren't for the fact that I read them, I'd have no idea that they existed. And the Help entry for Werewolves does not mention anything about it either - in fact the Werewolf help entry only tells how to become a werewolf, and the only entry under the Combat tab that mentions werewolves is that they can't use Skill Scrolls.

The information about Prowl and Slaughter needs to be added. Honestly, there should be a whole tab for Werewolves under the Combat to really explain all of these book-length tooltips.

So, the other thoughts I have playing with it:
The Werewolf timer is much more confusing than it was before. Having it proc off of Ultimate instead of time is fine, but the problem is that the default state of the game is to not show ult numbers. That means players will need to know to go into the options and turn them on in order to have a visible timer for their werewolf form.

Also, we had that timer under the mag bar for 12 years now, so it meaning something completely different is screwing with our muscle memory. It would be great if that bar were still useable as a werewolf timer as before, but now just showed our ultimate from 500-0 ult so we could still use it as a gauge for our werewolf form as we did in the past.
As for the Fury mechanic, I'd use the other side of the screen. In the vanilla UI, there is a bar that is designed to appear under the Stamina bar for your mount stamina. Werewolves can't mount, so allowing that bar to represent Fury gains while in werewolf form would make sense. Plus, that bar is closer to the Ultimate icon, so it's even more obvious that they're related.
This is how I would set it up:


Also, The glowing Ultimate is confusing. We have been conditioned that glowy Ultimate = ready to fire! And now we see this:

"Oh good! My Ult is ready!"
...and I turn back.
Oh, I had to wait until the glowy Ultimate icon turned to a different image to know my Rampage was ready.

Pity that the image is not the most obvious thing there, the glow is.

On Live, the Ultimate visually darkens. We can still hit it to transform back, but there's nothing calling us to hit it in that case.


I'd like to see the Ultimate icon keep the darkened version as it does on Live. Once Rampage is ready, the icon should change and the glowy border should start.

Appearance:
While the weekly update did say that no changes to the model were being implemented, I would still like to offer a bit of feedback.

First: it is great. It looks much better than we thought just seeing the A-pose from the preview thread. The only thing I don't like is the fact that the dewclaws on the rear legs stick out like sore thumbs.

I'd have preferred Skyrim's version of omitting the dewclaws, or at least Bloodmoon's version of keeping is tucked tightly to the paw.


The summary also mentioned the Werewolf Form, White skill style:

I will admit that I am not a fan of this version. I did prefer the black-nosed wolf-with-white-fur we have on Live as opposed to the albino look from the PTS.


However, this is definitely a "¿Por qué no los dos?" situation. The Skill Style here is our only source of character customization in werewolf form, so we should get a lot of them releasing for those of us fashion-a-holics. The white-fur-black-nose would be a great target for the next set of released werewolf styles, as would styles matching some of the common wolf colors already in game like the grey timberwolves or the russet brown direwolves we can spawn.

Please churn these out regularly though. You know that we in the ESO fandom love our customization, so we'll just eat up more werewolf colors.

The one thing I would do though is to rename the current "Werewolf Form, White" skill style to "Werewolf Form, Albino." That way when the white-fur-black-nose wolf releases, it can get the name "Werewolf Form, White" and prevent a lot of awkwardness trying to find a name for it.

But yes, definitely release more colors soon, and particularly the white, grey, and russet versions mentioned above.
(and definitely consider going bigger for things like a brown werebear as well...)

Regarding the glowy markings, I don't hate them as much as I thought I would at first, but I wouldn't mind losing them either. I do like the idea that's been presented of it appearing when Rampage is active.

As for the skills, I really don't have much to say. One thing I would have liked to see added though would be a way for a werewolf healer to be a thing - like a way that one wolf could heal others. Maybe if Hircine's Fortitude or Deafening Roar were made to apply a Vigor-esque heal to others?

hoangdz wrote: »

can tank that kind of damage

Why are you trying to tank the damage and not avoid it with Streak and ranged attacks? I think this is the big disconnect between dueling and open world. There's also the issue that long extended 1v1 almost never happens in normal open world gameplay.

Yes dueling is relevant to open world, but 1v1 engagements in open world are short, and players disengage when the fight stalemates or when they are overmatched. If a WW player threatens me that much in open world I can easily disengage with Streak. The WW player can be zerged down from range, or avoided until their timer runs out for an easy kill.

If next pts update hits and random jank WW is trivially doing 8k then fine I'll say it's op. But a good player doing 4-6k on a non optimized build is not cause for concern to me. You say 40k hp like it's a big deal, so what, my StamSorc did 8k while wearing 3 Swift jewelry, in 8-10 second kills that look near exactly like actual open world engagements. Not a controlled parse.