Well, my wife and I went back in tonight. We did manage to finish the help 3 people quest over two days. Managed to find the person to talk to even though there's no quest marker on the gate to get in. Sadly, my opinion hasn't changed. This thing is a hot mess. This game is primarily solo, casual players. You've wasted a huge amount of deb time, or a lot of computer cycles on AI, creating content that a very small amount of the player base will be able to do anything with or enjoy. After you chased away a bunch of your layer base over the last year or so, this doesn't seem like a good plan.

The difficulty is ridiculous. I mean over the top nuts. You can't avoid mobs, you can't kite mobs without agroing even more mobs. We ended up at a respawn point where there was no way to get to an objective because we couldn't live to get away from the base of the building. The design is just plain terrible. I am terribly disappointed. I have never been more than slightly disappointed in anything ESO has put out in the years I have been playing. Tonight, I found myself looking up articles on MMOs currently available. I haven't done that since SWTOR and their disaster updated several years ago. Note, I started looking at MMO articles, then, too, and haven't looked back.

Sadly, this zone is almost as bad as your last chapter relase and the promise to fix the vent and bring it back early this year (which you failed to do.) This looks like typical Microslop which I was hoping you'd avoid. Some really bad decisions in the Night Market. Really bad.

I pay for two accounts and log into both NA and EU. I am considering dropping ESO plus on at least one of those account and am seriously looking at finding something else to play. If things don't improve a lot and soon, I expect I'll be moving on, and from the sounds of this thread, I am far from the only one.

I really hope you do something to make this zone and your other new content more friendly to the majority of your player base, but you're going to have to move fast if you want anyone left to enjoy it.

As others have posted, it is a Group zone. This isn't a mystery.

People have been posting just how easy ESO is. Well, now they have a challenge.

I did a bit with invisibility potions, hiding, and just running like hell. But without a Group, this just isn't really going to work. Was doing okay until I hit the Baleful, and without a lantern I'm screwed on that.

So, reality. I'll have to dust off the NB, get a Group and stop getting frustrated.

I'm a raider and I don't like it. It's basically trial trash with a world boss here and there. Boring. I won't be going in there again. I think the novelty of it will wear off soon and it'll be empty like every other event.

Also, are you serious with requiring keys and relics just to enter the dungeons and trial? That's another hard pass for me.

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

ok ok tonight i have been able to 100% solo in the NM , killing trash was easy , killing boss i had to change out of my solo all around build into my solo IA arc 8 build that made TTK a little low but nothing like if i was full tank but after finishing off main quest killing bosses my hands did get to hurting a little ( have had both hands broken at some point in life and right has been crushed due to fighting and working drilling rigs ) oh and i even died tonight something i aint done in a long time out side of pvp so i have now tested and played the night market both around a group of other solo and 100% solo no one around at all and i have a few things that might help others like it more

trash spawn times need to be longer apart
player count needs to be more as 36 leaves it a ghost town even at prime time only seen 8 other players in area at one boss and 6 at other with 3 of them being my soft group of solos that followed around where i went ( due solely in my belief because i wasnt dying in the boss fight where i first run into them )
awards are awards but theres nothing worth getting if all you get is old sets, junk to sale for gold , skill style pages ( tho they are cool , some of them at less they dont last long for the work it takes to get them )

i really think if these few things can get some love in the right direction more players would be happy with it , once they understand this wasnt made for solo players but if your GOOD at playing SOLO you can do it but its not the best way to do so otherwise ( remember this content took the place of dungeon's and you'll understand why its made for groups and centered around SKILL BASED GAME PLAY for VETERANS thats been asking for harder fights for over 10 years now )

all a can really say is I LIKE IT I LOVE IT I WANT SOME MORE OF IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hope they can get it where the rest feel the same way but a big thank you to zos after 10 years i feel like i can actually be killed

It was also meant for solo players. They literally said it in the livestream and mention it in the article.

and it is , i and many others have no issues with it while playing solo .. so to say you cant , only says you need to rethink your build , placement , ect ect that makes it so YOU cant because its a player issue not a content issue

So what's your whole build then? Because plenty of others who have brought up that they are also having extreme difficulty in dealing with the trash.

Sorry to say but a smaller number of people not having problems while it seems a lot more ARE does indicate a content problem. Especially because it was never said you need to go into with highly optimized specific builds like the whole Zone is a vet Trial or something.

Experienced players should simply mean that people understand mechanics like avoiding red, bashing to interrupt or dodging the big blows, blocking, how to move around, things like that. Experienced players shouldn't mean able to do hardcore content. It was advertised as difficult, and as I've said before, NOT pretty much impossible for a large number of people.

Why do you think that in the first few days of a new Zone/event being introduced that so many instances are so empty? It's because a lot of people are trying it, getting wrecked within seconds of stepping into the Zone proper, and deciding it isn't worth the hassle. It'll only get worse as time goes on and people either get bored, annoyed by what sounds like tedious grinding for Relics and such, or manage to get what they want and stop going.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi Folks, wanted to update here. As many know, this thread was created several years ago to discuss overland difficulty. With Challenge Difficulty on the way to solve the core overland difficulty issue, we plan to close this thread down once the current PTS Cycle is over. Given the length and multitude of conversations here, we want to give folks time to wrap up any loose ends to any conversations had here before closing the thread happens.

Thank you for all of the feedback and conversations here.

Well then, I just wasted all my efforts once again.
Why do I even bother with feedback?

I feel the worst part of the night market is the sheer amount of stuff to do, it's overwhelming at first, getting a group together is very difficult, made even worse by the fact that you need to kill specific Brazen, etc to get the 3 items needed,

The group might not be going anywhere near those bosses you need and are more interesting in farming an easier boss

The puzzles are way to close to enemy groups, so you end up aggroing them and spoiling the run, seperate the groups of enemies more...

Instanced to smaller groups is massively ruining the experience

I love group content usually and run trials regularly but Night Market is poorly thought out and needs to be updated

I finally read that 36 player cap elsewhere. You know, most of those will be in the main plaza district so that leaves maybe a handful in each of the three main areas. Way too few.

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

probably because 99% of the people who want vengeance are pve players that don't want to learn to pvp or just can't, so it's only fair that pvp players get the same but in pve content.

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

You do realize that Vengeacne is doing exactly that to us PvP people? Decrease OUR fun, but as it doesn''t effect PvE people its fine, right?

JavaRen wrote: »

Okay, people don't like Vengeance and it makes them feel angry or neglected or whatever negative thing, granted.

I get lost on how this translates to "someone else should have their fun decreased." Can anyone explain an honest, rational reason for this request, or is it just upset people lashing out?

What about having a Vengeance mode for PvE decreases someone else's fun? OP didn't say anything about replacing what's already there, only adding a more accessible mode for more casual PvE players.