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Re: A poll about crossplay
BardokRedSnow wrote: »This lifecycle of the game needs it plain and simple, the Steam charts show that well enough despite comments about PCNA and PCEU population.
im keeping it 100% with you i think this just one bad decision on top of many others that has drove players away from the game forced grouping , meta sweeps,class changes, oakensoul, subclassing ,cp2.0, pvp being ignored, less content per DLCs content pass , vengeance, you seen the reasons players left think about how fast traders that get shut down over night going to stay playing , think about all them that like playing solo or quitly getting text spammed or hearing yelling kids , with 3 types of music going all at the same time lol players talk about toxicity being bad in pvp wait until they can talk and not type
Re: Vengeance mode for trials, arena's and trifectas now
I wouldn't mind if ZOS made Velothi and Oakensoul a gear template. And this is coming from someone with 3 Godslayers.
Gear is usually not the issue with these progs.
Gear is usually not the issue with these progs.
Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
New mythic is interacting very strongly with shock damage and therefore bloating sorc numbers. Anyone not running this mythic is also being pushed down. I would have preferred if they added a proc limit to the new mythic instead of trying to balance the sorc class just for that one item.
Monolith is just another parse set now like siroria let's face it. Dummy cheese, but not useful in a lot of content. Monolith in current form without reliable spammable to proc this set should imo just have stayed at 600 spell damage until rework. This nerf was needed, but is way ahead of its time.
Also not a fan on how much hinges on specific playstyle or key skills. Let's say I do not want to use liquid lightning for what ever reason. Well too bad you cannot proc monolith reliably and less mythic procs. One skill change and things already start to fall apart. All of the above interacts with eachother in a specific way, and mastery system is a big win in general but I wish these outliners could be addressed somehow rather than flat nerfs that affects the class in general.
The nerf to Stativ Rev was needed imo, so I guess i'm just not happy to see monolith changed in addition. Just a reminder that a specific combination is very strong, but the moment you opt-out of one of those you end up on the losing end.
I really hope the rework will be decent because much of the friction is actually also caused by the current sorc kit.
Isn't the entire point of the mythic though to have high powered status effect synergy? How would you even go about nerfing that while avoiding making it lame.
Sure but maybe it is not supposed to be this strong with concussion? Either the chance, a proc cd or changes to concussion itself. I'm not a designer so these are just some thoughts for temporary measures. You could argue that the flat nerf is also a temporary measure, just one I do not agree with.
I believe the real solution is rework. Sorc needs a spammable to proc monolith, then the nerf is justified and the set is becomes less situational. If there are more skill options that allow different playstyle choices, those would naturally proc the mythic as well without forcing hugging targets for example. A wider audience can enjoy and benefit from a stronger meta in more content rather than a very specific cheese example.
Yudo
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Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
New mythic is interacting very strongly with shock damage and therefore bloating sorc numbers. Anyone not running this mythic is also being pushed down. I would have preferred if they added a proc limit to the new mythic instead of trying to balance the sorc class just for that one item.
Monolith is just another parse set now like siroria let's face it. Dummy cheese, but not useful in a lot of content. Monolith in current form without reliable spammable to proc this set should imo just have stayed at 600 spell damage until rework. This nerf was needed, but is way ahead of its time.
Also not a fan on how much hinges on specific playstyle or key skills. Let's say I do not want to use liquid lightning for what ever reason. Well too bad you cannot proc monolith reliably and less mythic procs. One skill change and things already start to fall apart. All of the above interacts with eachother in a specific way, and mastery system is a big win in general but I wish these outliners could be addressed somehow rather than flat nerfs that affects the class in general.
The nerf to Stativ Rev was needed imo, so I guess i'm just not happy to see monolith changed in addition. Just a reminder that a specific combination is very strong, but the moment you opt-out of one of those you end up on the losing end.
I really hope the rework will be decent because much of the friction is actually also caused by the current sorc kit.
Monolith is just another parse set now like siroria let's face it. Dummy cheese, but not useful in a lot of content. Monolith in current form without reliable spammable to proc this set should imo just have stayed at 600 spell damage until rework. This nerf was needed, but is way ahead of its time.
Also not a fan on how much hinges on specific playstyle or key skills. Let's say I do not want to use liquid lightning for what ever reason. Well too bad you cannot proc monolith reliably and less mythic procs. One skill change and things already start to fall apart. All of the above interacts with eachother in a specific way, and mastery system is a big win in general but I wish these outliners could be addressed somehow rather than flat nerfs that affects the class in general.
The nerf to Stativ Rev was needed imo, so I guess i'm just not happy to see monolith changed in addition. Just a reminder that a specific combination is very strong, but the moment you opt-out of one of those you end up on the losing end.
I really hope the rework will be decent because much of the friction is actually also caused by the current sorc kit.
Yudo
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Re: The corpseburster change already has me concerned for the eventual necro rework
They gave DK's poison visuals back as skill styles, so even if the same thing happens with Necro I'd expect that the blue morphs will also turn into skill styles.
Morvan
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Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
I'm not gonna rain on this effort. While most Sorcs I've known from Cyrodiil are so massively overpowered no one can play against them, I've actually found parts of the Sorc class incredibly useful for other things. I've seen how annoying these DKs are now, and I don't care for most of the DK animation either tbh. It's hard to keep track of whats going on. Figures they'd come for Sorc sooner or later.
Best of luck with any effort to keep the class from getting the necro treatment, that is to say being broken with features we all liked getting ripped out then leaving it broken on the shelf for years now. While ignoring anyone who didn't go along with it, just like changes they made to jabs and flurry. Which are still broken and awkward. Just imagine them doing that to an entire class now.
Wouldn't be the first time ZOS did this to sorcerers (not even the second time either). How quickly people forget just how destructive for the class that things like the U35 giga-nerfs were, and the removal of overloads 3rd bar was, to the Sorcerer class.
FYI: the removal of overload 3rd bar was the start of this whole feast/famine nonsense with sorcerers balancing issues (not to mention the beginning of the conflict between pet and non-pet builds) because that 3rd bar allowed for sorcs to make a cohesive build despite the class abilities having none of the utility that other classes equivalent abilities have, and things like the pets taking up 2 (3 at the time) bar slots each was much less of an issue with those additional bar slots even though the pets needed 2 of those 3rd bar slots as well.
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_NickG @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Gilliam As an extra aside for non-sorcs (and ZOS devs as well) to think about when looking into the Sorc refresh (as devs) or just to better understand the class (as non-sorc players):
To give an example of what the removal of overloads 3rd bar did to sorc all those years ago, I suggest try playing the other classes (as pure classes and without the crutch of non-class abilities or sub-classing) with only 3 bar slots on each bar and try to make a functional high end build just from that limited bar space only (and no that does not mean you can slot abilities for their passive effects on those unused slots to cheese this challenge, those slots must be completely empty/unused).
Understanding the impact of this nerf all those years ago is the first step to understanding just how how bad that decision was back in the day, and why anytime ZOS has tried to balance sorcerer since then, it has always been a complete mess when using numbers to balance the class and why Sorcerer has been in dire need of a proper rework from the ground up since.
Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
I'm not gonna rain on this effort. While most Sorcs I've known from Cyrodiil are so massively overpowered no one can play against them, I've actually found parts of the Sorc class incredibly useful for other things. I've seen how annoying these DKs are now, and I don't care for most of the DK animation either tbh. It's hard to keep track of whats going on. Figures they'd come for Sorc sooner or later.
Best of luck with any effort to keep the class from getting the necro treatment, that is to say being broken with features we all liked getting ripped out then leaving it broken on the shelf for years now. While ignoring anyone who didn't go along with it, just like changes they made to jabs and flurry. Which are still broken and awkward. Just imagine them doing that to an entire class now.
Best of luck with any effort to keep the class from getting the necro treatment, that is to say being broken with features we all liked getting ripped out then leaving it broken on the shelf for years now. While ignoring anyone who didn't go along with it, just like changes they made to jabs and flurry. Which are still broken and awkward. Just imagine them doing that to an entire class now.
Vulkunne
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Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
The elephant in the room - Shattered Paths Signet
Shattered paths signet is a really cool mythic, with a serious downside that if you use your ult with it you lose a heap of damage.
Unless you're using overload.
This is a really cool interaction, where you can switch on and off overload to keep your ult above 170, keeping the full damage from the mythic.
in this parse, I start with 500 ult, burn to 175, disable overload until the last 20% and then use it in execute.
I get to use 702 ult over the parse while still getting the full benefit of shattered signet.
There are a couple of issues with this parse though compared to content.
The first is that I start with 500 ult. In almost no trials in the game, should you be starting a boss fight with 500 ult. If you're doing that then you're not using your ults on trash.
Secondly you get a burst of dps at the start, but you get it at a time when you're likely going to be getting ult gen from a set like pillagers. Overload stops ult gen, so you miss out on some of the more significant support buffs.
Thirdly sorcs have Atro, which in most groups is there for major berserk. In fact, they really really want atro right at the start for their main ult burn. What no one wants at that time is a selfish sorc using all their ult on an overload opening after they just banked it all though all the trash pulls so they can have bigga numba on the boss.
My point is that using overload in trials like we do on the dummy is incredibly selfish and not good for group content.
Finally, compare the signet parse to a warmask parse where i use overload to start the parse, then drop an atro at 185 ult and then reenable overload for the last 10%
it's a big dps drop. This is more representative of what you can expect in actual content.
Shattered Paths Signet will also cost you Ultimate Points.
Then guess which class of abilities offers absolutely no way to gain extra Ultimate Points?
Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
it would be nice if we could get some dev feedback on why they dont buff the sorc pet build damage
Re: Vengeance mode for trials, arena's and trifectas now
Now that a version of Cyrodiil will be available with pre-made load outs and builds, it's time to do the same for trials, arena's and trifecta's.
I shouldn't have to take the time to create a build, do a parse or anything to complete the hardest PvE content. If I don't have to have gear and builds for PvP I shouldn't need it for PvE either.
Fair is fair. Lets have it ZOS. You owe us vengeance mode for trails, arenas and trifectas now too.
This is not a troll post. I'm totally serious. If PvE players don't have to make builds for PvP, then PvP players shouldn't have to make builds for PvE. I am totally serious with this post.
Let's do this yes!
