People are making it sound like we can just go into the Night Market solo and run around with a zerg-- "soft-grouped," I guess you would call it. But when I went in on PCEU a short while ago, I couldn't see any other players around, and I got insta-killed (twice) by the first "mob" I encountered just inside the entry to the zone, so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find any other players to zerg around with.

And I won't even get into how long it took me just to find the plaza so I could do the introductory quest, because I was running around Fargrave looking for a way in-- but apparently the only way to get in is to take a wayshrine in? So that was fun.

I want to give this new group content a chance-- and yes, I know it's group content, not solo content-- but it seems to be on the level of difficulty of a hard-mode veteran trial or something. I don't expect everything in the game to be accessible for me and completable by me, but I'm hoping to at least give this new content a chance before deciding whether to pkay it or forget it. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I'll even be able to give it a try, the way it's looking right now.

Maybe it will be different on PCNA, but PCEU is looking like a complete no-go at the hours when I play, because apparently there aren't enough players online at those hours who are interested in this new content.

AdamBourke wrote: »

1) its too hard. I was in a group because the news article said it would be tough to solo. I read your marketing. I didnt expect to have to be a vet trial pro to be able to do this. I also assumed the recommended group size would be a standard 4 man group, but apparebtly the group finder goes up to 12? We died immediately.
2) no one else is in the zone. Had hoped to soft group with some other groups, but ultimately only saw 3 people
3) way too easy to get separated from the group. Especially with that duneripper. Duneripper is a cool idea. Hate it in practice. If I get eaten and die, I revive on the other side of the may from my group?
4) cant share quests/quest progress. Why are we encouraged to group... but the quests are solo quests? Im just freeing little animals from cages. Its classic eso group quest stuff - but it doesnt work in the group zone.
5)navigating the parch is awful. What are those sand doors? The ones that have a poor render distance so you see a way to the desert, run/sneak/fight your way to it, only to see the sand wall pop in. They also dont really show on the map. Not being able to navigate isnt fun. Apparebtly you can get an item to bypass them but... no idea what or how?
6) boulder dash? What? Couldn't figure this out because everytime I tried i got attacked and turned back and whatever it was was over.

Yeah, it can be fun if you can stalk someone who is soloing (or duoing) basic mobs, or if you get in a good group. Not a fan of being sent to a "kinda-not really wayshrine", and possibly a random one?

This site has some basic info summarized for the zones (this one is about The Parch): https://game-maps.com/ESO/NM-The-Parch-Map.asp

It does clarify the mystery of the sand doors.

I am not a player who cares to solo things. One of the most challenging things for me, throughout all time on this game, has been finding groups to play. For trials I've been able to think "Ill find a group eventually." For this expiring game mode, I'm not so sure. I feel very punished, from moment one, for trying to just enjoy the game. Players shouldnt have to metagame and sus out the best faction to join before picking one. From quest acceptance to the end gameplay, it should be a seemless experience that doesn't all hinge around taking hours to study the game mode and somehow figure out how to find a group.

Liked the factions, the somewhat more difficult "open world" content and the "attunements" for the 4-man dungeons/trial, big fan of this direction - please do more of these in the future!

Areas of improvement:

• Puzzles took quite a while to come back online after fail, maybe the timer could be a bit shorter.
• The RNG drops on daily coffers can be problematic, especially if you want to play with your friends but they haven't unlocked the dungeon yet due to being unlucky with the coffer RNG.
• Too many sources for the style pages. Personally I would've preferred to have something unique from the Golden Pursuit rewards and then grind/purchase the style pages from vendor after getting enough favor, now it feels like there's one less "carrot" to chase rewards wise since the style pages unlock a lot earlier from Golden Pursuits.
• Oh, and the monster sets are perhaps a little bit underwhelming... Thousand Eyes could do with a bit less cooldown (12s or 10s), Glittering Goad should proc Chilled a lot more often similar to Nunatak and The Ruckus is kind of ruined by the downtime, though I understand this is the design of the set - the benefits should be a lot better for when it's active to justify the big debuffs and no benefit from running a 2p during downtime. When it comes to buff sets with limited up time, Balorgh for example provides much more damage than what you gain from The Ruckus, but no downside when it's not active.

I dont inderstand how I picked the loser faction. Why is there a lose faction? I dont even care about the faction point system, but clearly I picked the bad faction because nobody else is around. Why are the districts so empty for new content?

Somehow managed to make a worse release than writhing wall.
No mounting in the market are,slog and tedious.
Respawn is too slow
Everything hits like a truck and shouldn't, a simple spider can one shot? Cmon
Quest marked objectives are bugged and not showing.
Cant share quests
Instances for groups are bugged

This isn't "dungeon" content - this is 24-person raid content. I'm scared to only take 12 into the Trial.
Trying to duo this with my DUNGEON partner and it's grueling.

[snip] This is not fun. Great for the people who have huge groups, but a 2-4 person group is not going to be able to do this.

Also, trying to group with people on different quests, in different factions, can't share quests, it's a mess.

Best scenario - you and your set group of 12 friends are all in the same faction, doing all the same "story" quests. Because you're not going to get them done with randoms.
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coop500 wrote: »

noblecron wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

noblecron wrote: »

If you chose ruckus you're instanced with other ruckus players and they have the least population

This is not accurate. Players are not given priority to be instanced with players of the same Faction. There may be fewer players in the Ruckus District right now because folks are prioritizing a different District, but that is not how instancing in the Night Market works. When players enter the main hub and Districts, they join based on when they entered until the zone cap is hit, then a new instance spins up. That's it.

Thank you. I mean no disrespect though but I think instancing numbers need to be double checked as I've been in a few very very dead instances.

The issue is the instance is spread across all 3 districts and the hub. So the game is probably just putting you in an instance where, statistically since Thousand Eyes is dominating right now, all the players in your instance are over there based on happenstance.

Each instance only has 30-something players, so it's not hard to find yourself in an empty one when you're playing a less popular faction.

Just want to say I am not quite sure that was the reason.

I joined Thousand Eyes because I wanted the dye, but I went in three times today and two times it was a pretty much dead zone. One time I saw one other player, the other time I saw like two other players (and it might have been a player and companion, it can be hard for me to tell at times). The third (well it was the second time I tried it) time, there was a group roaming around killing things and yeah, I had fun, because I could tag along and got a few of the quests laying around and got some of them done.

All three instances I was going into the spider district, so maybe everyone else was in the other districts, but chat was dead (it was even dead with the group running around)

Unless I just got unlucky two of the times I tried it and got grouped with different factions.

For me there are four major problems.
1. The areas are partially to empty to play random together and the group finder isn't supporting enough. So you need planned groups if one doesn't want to waist a lot of time, what most players don't want or don't have time for.
2. Even if you manage to build a strong random group the ingame tools for coordinating the group aren't good enough. There are way too many different quests that make the group members long for way different points on the map. Some won't find satisfaction, when the group just doesn't run where they need them too.
3. Some quests are horribly explained and you have to guess how to solve them. In one quest I had a major area marked on the map but the actual quest point was way smaller and not visually marked, one had to run around and find it by luck and just one step into a different direction could make one miss it. Please work on that.
4. There is too much grind. One needs to fight certain bosses for the keys. Me and a friend managed to build a group to fight the silver and the gold bosses, but often didn't get a key but just very underwhelming loot. How long shall we grind until we will be getting all the keys and will be allowed to enter the raid? Raid guilds have certain times they play in. What if only a part of the trial group get the necessary keys? It's already hard enough to maintain raid guilds, because so many long time players that like to play vet content in planned groups left the game already. Please don't make it even harder to get into the new raid.

The biggest issue seems to be grouping is REQUIRED yet quests can't be shared, and with everyone on different quests coordination is hard. The Skittering is much harder (interestingly The Parch is easy).

I'm fine with more difficult content - just not stuff that is vet DLC dungeon or trials level difficulty, with trial sized mobs, that respawn every 30 seconds. Oh, did you go the wrong way? FIGHT EVERYTHING AGAIN!

Easy if you have 2 groups running together, but that's only useful if you are NOT doing story quests! I prefer to do story quests, not just run around killing things. Welp, it's just going to be a pain.

It's not that hard content is bad, it's just that the whole game is being shoehorned into this, and people are upset. I'm upset, and I like hard content. My hands currently hurt as much as they do after a 2-3 hour trial prog. I can't do that every night for 6 weeks.

P.S. Thanks to all the "solos" who dragged multiple mobs on top of me and my partner. We had carefully picked mob sizes we could handle and got tired of "solos" dragging stuff onto us so we die.