Problem isn't disdain itself but rather how overperforming status effects are as a damage source. Been overperforming for way too long as "free pressure" and is in dire need of a rework. As React suggested, status effects aside from maybe burning and poisoned ,should purely be debuffs without any damage attached to them.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

React wrote: »

Agree this set is problematic. It really is the best "proc" set in the game currently when you consider what it is actually providing you. You've summed it up well here in your comments so I don't have a ton to add in regards to that.

Think it does shine a light on how strong status are in general as well. It always blows my mind when I come out of a 1vX situation, and half of the top 10 damage numbers on my damage received are all status effects. I'd much prefer they shifted away from status dealing damage itself, and instead just had them apply debuffs, perhaps with an exception for burning/poisoned as those have always been the "Damage" status effects.

I disagree that the set is problematic. You said it yourself, status effects are overtuned. I think Serpent's is a fun and unique design for the set, and nerfs/reworks should be pointed at status effects themselves.

Ele Sus is also somehow still an absurd ability for 0 cost. If you couldn't get 3 status effects just for throwing on an already meta weapon on your backbar, I don't think Serpent's would be nearly as strong as it is now since you'd have to source those status effects elsewhere.

A look needs to be had at all those guaranteed ways to proc status effects that keep mounting. Too much guarantees us those extra damage procs, and more is being added every patch.

What is even the "risk" or use in comitting to something like Charged over Sharpened when any status effect is promised anyway? It is getting out of hand.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

React wrote: »

Agree this set is problematic. It really is the best "proc" set in the game currently when you consider what it is actually providing you. You've summed it up well here in your comments so I don't have a ton to add in regards to that.

Think it does shine a light on how strong status are in general as well. It always blows my mind when I come out of a 1vX situation, and half of the top 10 damage numbers on my damage received are all status effects. I'd much prefer they shifted away from status dealing damage itself, and instead just had them apply debuffs, perhaps with an exception for burning/poisoned as those have always been the "Damage" status effects.

I disagree that the set is problematic. You said it yourself, status effects are overtuned. I think Serpent's is a fun and unique design for the set, and nerfs/reworks should be pointed at status effects themselves.

Ele Sus is also somehow still an absurd ability for 0 cost. If you couldn't get 3 status effects just for throwing on an already meta weapon on your backbar, I don't think Serpent's would be nearly as strong as it is now since you'd have to source those status effects elsewhere.

Sure, I can agree it would be better if the status effects themselves got reworked. That is also probably too unrealistic an ask for the studio to consider.

Also totally agree it is insane Ele sus hasn't been changed in all this time. That skill is so far above and beyond the best source of breach in the game, and it isn't even close.

But without those things getting adjustments, serpents IS probably the best "proc" set in the game. OP put it well - it debuffs better than any debuff set, and it does more DOT damage than any dot set.

I won't claim to know what they should do to it myself. I'm not sure just reducing the timer is going to be worthwhile, as it's either reduced so much that it is worthless, or not enough to prevent the status from having their 100% uptime still. I still think it is problematic though, and it is pretty clear how strong it is when you see how frequently it is represented in the "competitive" parts of the game.

Dracane wrote: »

I care and I don't ever want someone passionate to quit something they are passionate about. Things tend to fade when no one is passionate about them.

Nobody is "passionate" about a specific set though. I like MDW but it's nothing compared to say, the entire StamSorc class, or the whole of dual wield melee, or the entire dot pressure playstyle. There are dozens of other sets that functionally do the same thing as Relequen, without breaking the game. Sets are interchangeable, they go in and out of the meta all the time.

Speaking of, Rushing Agony (and the charm stun effect) has had its time to shine. Time to put it to bed. Let there be a new large scale group set meta.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

WW seems fine on pts

This is awesome feedback! I type out pages worth of clearly separated sub-topics with genuine feedback and everyone else just drops some random ‘player parse’ from the depths of despair or ‘nerf work good’ comment and this seems to be what they are looking for. 🙃

Alright, let me start by saying that your last 10 or so posts have not been coherent at all. You might want to go back and reword those because it sounds like you are having a monologue with yourself that only you really understand. I think it would help the zos team.

Anyways, pts WW is still very strong. It’s still doing very good damage, the sustain is still good. It admittedly did get less healing. Overall, it seems to be in a more balanced state.

Do you mind submitting some of your own cmxs / clips or anything that can help others understand why you think WW is underperforming ? Perhaps we can look over the gameplay a bit.