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Re: What has caused you to quit the game or barely play any more? What would bring you back?
Pixiepumpkin wrote: »What caused my wife and I to quit? Subclassing.
What will bring us back? Remove subclassing.
Is it the system itself or zos's incredibly poor management of balancing it that is the problem?
Re: Who'd like to see elemental recalls for Fire and Lightning?
I would absolutely love some elemental recalls (fire, snow, lightning, sand) done in a similar swirl as the autumn leaves, nice and subtle.
Altyri
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Re: Honestly - Is Vengeance Viable?
Artisian0001 wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Artisian0001 wrote: »So the time has shown now, nobody wants to play Vengeance anymore, as soon GH is back up.
@ZOS can you finally stomp that project now?
As much as I'd like them to allocate more resources to actually fixing the problems in GH, I think keeping it up will only show them that they are out of touch with what the community wants when it continues to get smaller and smaller. Along with the fact that some people actually do enjoy it, albeit a lot less, but allowing the small portion of them to play it is fine. They just need to, for once, dial in on cyro PvP and minimizing the issues it has. It's one of the main reasons people are still around, even with how bad it can get during volendrung spawns.
The issue with live GH cyrodil is the game itself. To fix it involves cutting out half the sets in the game, cutting down on proc effects like poisons, status effects, passives. Then gutting skills so they dont have multiple paragraph parts to them. Major rule changes would have to be reverted like how over time effects used to not stack. Tons of other game design needs to change like how everyone moves 2x the old run speed and mount speed letting players not get ganked. Groups easily converge without being split up by gankers and side objectives artificially spreading the population out.
Its quite literally making a new game from scratch at this point. Which is where many hoped vengeance would lead to, but no plan from zos has been released or discussed to this extent.
Vengeance was made to give a new experience to PvP but the main reason was to address performance issues and allow more people to play, so the main issue isn't balance but performance that should be addressed, and fixing the issue of memory leak which has existed for such a long period of time, just that issue alone would make performance day and night.
Balance and performance both need to be addressed because PvP will continue to decline otherwise. If they address performance, but not balance, people will still avoid PvP. If they address balance, but not performance, then Cyrodiil is still unplayable and the population caps are too low to keep it fun.
MincMinc is totally right and they articulated what I was trying to say much better than me. The first Vengeance test performed pretty well and held a ton of people. They should've tested more aggressively by adding as much as they could while maintaining the performance and population caps of Vengeance 1. Instead they conducted tests months apart and added very little at a time.
I think it's likely they could've maintained the performance and population of Vengeance 1 even after adding simple stat based sets, more skills, and a bit more complexity to the existing skills. At some point we would end up with something closely resembling 2015-2016 PvP in ESO. Damage and healing values could be tweaked as needed without worrying about PvE at all. There was a reason PvP had such massive populations and a steady influx of new players back then. One Tamriel was one of the biggest PvP mass exoduses I have ever seen and that's the patch when the procs and heavy armor builds really started to get out of control. Grey Host is significantly worse than even One Tamriel Cyrodiil was. It's no surprise PvPers refuse to return and new players quit after staying in for just a few minutes.
Think about how much needs to be calculated in an environment like Grey Host vs. an environment like Vengeance. A single light attack in Grey Host does it's own damage, can proc a proc set, can proc an enchant, the enchant can proc a status effect, then the proc set can proc a status effect. All of that is impacted by CP and there's probability calculations needed for those damage events. That's a lot of instances of damage from one small action and from a gameplay perspective it's extremely low skill and effortless. I think it's better for both performance and balance if a player is more directly responsible for the damage they deal in PvP environments. You should actually have to use and time abilities to be effective. If you agree with me here, then ask yourself how Grey Host will address the issue of free effortless damage without having terrible consequences for PvE. Battle Spirit alone can't fix that.
Stamicka
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Re: What has caused you to quit the game or barely play any more? What would bring you back?
I also have not quit but like many my play time on ESO is bare minimum right now. No more money goes towards this game until, well, until a product is produced that deserves it really. My list of pain points all have been covered by previous posts. And that's kinda what has brought me to this point in the game. I hope things can be turned around in 2026. But I'm not holding my breath.
noxdave
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Re: What has caused you to quit the game or barely play any more? What would bring you back?
I haven't quit entirely but I'm playing very occasionally now. For me it was a combination of;
1. Lack of race and class identity. It used to matter what race and class you picked, I miss when classes had a stamina or magicka only variant too for example if i was playing a DK DPS I would pick dark elf and spec into magicka because dunmer used to have flame damage passives that were unique to dunmer alone. This identity always made me extremely curious to try out other races and classes too and always kept me playing the game and enjoying it but now it just feels stale and monotone.
2. No more chapters, but instead a season pass. This in my opinion was a huge mistake because of how ineffective Solstice was. Not once did I feel the urge to login during the writhing wall event, instead this event felt dragged out, unnecessary and simply boring. With the chapters I would always look forward to what was to come but I did not feel that way with Solstice and the writhing wall event.
1. Lack of race and class identity. It used to matter what race and class you picked, I miss when classes had a stamina or magicka only variant too for example if i was playing a DK DPS I would pick dark elf and spec into magicka because dunmer used to have flame damage passives that were unique to dunmer alone. This identity always made me extremely curious to try out other races and classes too and always kept me playing the game and enjoying it but now it just feels stale and monotone.
2. No more chapters, but instead a season pass. This in my opinion was a huge mistake because of how ineffective Solstice was. Not once did I feel the urge to login during the writhing wall event, instead this event felt dragged out, unnecessary and simply boring. With the chapters I would always look forward to what was to come but I did not feel that way with Solstice and the writhing wall event.
Re: Spoofed Guilds on PC-NA Traders
Please do something about this, ZOS! All we really ask is that you make these NEW, IMPOSTER guilds CHANGE THEIR NAMES.
Outbidding a guild for a trader is fine. It happens. But this deliberate impersonation is wrong. It's trolling.
(edited for clarity)
Outbidding a guild for a trader is fine. It happens. But this deliberate impersonation is wrong. It's trolling.
(edited for clarity)
Kelinmiriel
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Spoofed Guilds on PC-NA Traders
For the past three weeks, guilds on PC-NA have found themselves spoofed at Guild Trader time. GMs have logged in to find a clone of their guild in their usual Trader spot.
These clone guilds have been formed as follows:
While of course no guild is "owed" a Trader spot, nor indeed does any guild "own" a Trader spot, these clone guilds are causing significant confusion to players as well as significant concern to Guildmasters. Theoretically, with the font used in game, any guild whose name contains a lower case "l" or upper case "I" could be cloned.
It is only possible to see the difference between the real and cloned guilds if you use Gamepad Mode, which forces the Guild names into block capitals.
In addition, GMs and Guild Officers are concerned about the risk to guild reputations IF said clone guilds were to recruit openly. Even though the guilds concerned so far have been bigger ones (in Vivec City and Wayrest respectively), any guild could be copied in this way if their name contains a character that can easily be switched out in the ESO standard font.
Multiple GMs have reported the cloned guilds, even citing parts of the Terms of Service or Code of Conduct that we believe this spoofing is against, but our tickets have been closed on the basis that Support believe that no violation has occurred.
Please would ZOS look at this situation again and tell us for certain whether this trollish behaviour is considered acceptable, or not.
Screenshots:
Tuesday 2nd December 2025
Real Savage Blade is on Sebastian Brutya, fake Savage Biade is on Mauhoth.
Guild Tabards are identical. Guild names appear identical in the standard game font.
Tuesday 9th December 2025
Real Unstable Unicorns is on Atin, fake Unstabie Unicorns is on Morg. Notice that again the Guild Tabards are identical.
Tuesday 16th December 2025
Savage Biade is back in Vvardenfell.
These clone guilds have been formed as follows:
- The name is identical bar one character (e.g. switching lower case "l" (el) for upper case "I" (eye)).
- An identical guild tabard.
- Players in the guild have trollish @names like "WeStoleYourTrader" and "UMadBro" (examples of the type of name, not real @names to avoid Naming and Shaming).
- The guild is selling nothing but Tomatoes from 69 gold through 420 gold up to 6,969,696 gold.
While of course no guild is "owed" a Trader spot, nor indeed does any guild "own" a Trader spot, these clone guilds are causing significant confusion to players as well as significant concern to Guildmasters. Theoretically, with the font used in game, any guild whose name contains a lower case "l" or upper case "I" could be cloned.
It is only possible to see the difference between the real and cloned guilds if you use Gamepad Mode, which forces the Guild names into block capitals.
In addition, GMs and Guild Officers are concerned about the risk to guild reputations IF said clone guilds were to recruit openly. Even though the guilds concerned so far have been bigger ones (in Vivec City and Wayrest respectively), any guild could be copied in this way if their name contains a character that can easily be switched out in the ESO standard font.
Multiple GMs have reported the cloned guilds, even citing parts of the Terms of Service or Code of Conduct that we believe this spoofing is against, but our tickets have been closed on the basis that Support believe that no violation has occurred.
Please would ZOS look at this situation again and tell us for certain whether this trollish behaviour is considered acceptable, or not.
Screenshots:
Tuesday 2nd December 2025
Real Savage Blade is on Sebastian Brutya, fake Savage Biade is on Mauhoth.
Guild Tabards are identical. Guild names appear identical in the standard game font.
Tuesday 9th December 2025
Real Unstable Unicorns is on Atin, fake Unstabie Unicorns is on Morg. Notice that again the Guild Tabards are identical.
Tuesday 16th December 2025
Savage Biade is back in Vvardenfell.
baratron
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Re: [Housing] Colovian Lattice, Wooden needs to be a furnishing plan
You can pick luxury furnisher items up on guild traders
Re: Cyrodiil & Imperial City – Community Q&A
SeaGtGruff wrote: »allochthons wrote: »Please be very careful with this. I use that trick when doing my IC quests, and when in Cyrodiil doing solo things like questing. I don't think I've ever used it in a PvP battle.Q. What do you think about the ability to leave a battle that is unfavorable for you with impunity by simply moving to the Imperial Sewers and back during the battle? Is it fair? - Noreno
A. We can confirm we’re looking at adjusting this, but we don’t have any specifics to share today. We will keep you updated as we have more info.
If I have to spend my AP to buy the travel tokens, or lose 50% of my tel var to death porting (much less run back through the sewers to be able to leave IC), I'll stop doing what little I do right now in PvP.
I'm not saying it doesn't get abused or that it doesn't need updating. Please just consider all the ways it is used.
Can we actually use this to get out of a battle? I mean, if we're actively in combat. If we can't join a queue while in combat, how can we queue to IC as a way of getting out of a fight that's unfavorable to us-- unless we aren't actually involved in said fight in the first place?
Besides, blood porting is a lot faster than queuing back and forth between IC and Cyrodiil. Plus, blood porting lets us respawn at any friendly keep or outpost that isn't under attack, so it can be a very quick and convenient way to get to a keep that's just been cut and is about to be attacked, or to reach a distant friendly keep or outpost that isn't connected by Transitus Network when we want to get to an enemy keep, resource, outpost, or town that's on the far side of the map.
So I'm inclined to think that this "queuing to IC to escape an unfavorable fight" scenario is probably a lot less common than some people feel it is. I think it's more likely to be used as a convenient way to get out of Cyrodiil entirely when we want to go do other things in the game, or used by players during Mayhems as a way to quickly grab their event tickets or reward coffers in Cyrodiil and IC without having to get involved in PvP situations that they don't enjoy (and then leave Cyrodiil and IC entirely once they've got their tickets and reward coffers). I've read that there's an addon which helps make queuing this way a lot faster and more convenient, and seen claims that some players use that addon to escape "unfavorable fights," but I don't see how that could be as big of a problem as claimed.
In my opinion, queuing out of IC or Cyrodiil should not be something that can be interrupted by enemies once the queue has popped and been accepted. I would personally be okay with there being some sort of brief "wait time" of, say, a few seconds between requesting a queue and actually getting placed into said queue, so players can't abuse that addon by "insta-queuing" out of an impending attack by simply pressing a key in the brief moments before an incoming enemy player can attack them, but removing the ability entirely would be a mistake in my opinion.
To be clear - yes, you can START AND ACCEPT a queue while in combat. There are addons where you can keybind the start queue function to a single key on your keyboard, and then another addon will automatically accept the queue as soon as it "pops". So the problematic scenario is in imperial city, people abuse this to farm telvar risk free. They run a build with 40-50k HP that cannot be killed easily/at all by one person, hold their ult while farming bosses, and the moment they see or get hit by an enemy player, they pop their defensive ult, hit the hotkey for the queue, and 10 seconds later they're pulled out of imperial city with no consequences whatsoever.
This IS an exploit of how the system is supposed to work, and we know this for a fact based on how the "get me unstuck" feature works in imperial city, and the existence of imperial retreat sigils. If you use "get me unstuck" while in imperial city, you are notified you will lose half of your carried telvar - because the developers did not intend for you to be able to poof away at will consequence free with your telvar. The retreat sigil exists for this very reason as well - to provide a way to return to base without having to run all the way back, that doesn't take your telvar the way that "get me unstuck" does. This wasn't an issue when imperial city first came out because imperial city was not it's own "instance" and you didn't queue in to access it. It was originally part of each individual cyrodiil campaign, and was accessed physically via the sewer entrances within the campaign itself, thus there was no cyrodiil queue that could be activated to escape IC.
The solution is simple. You should not be able to start a queue while you or anyone in your group is in combat in imperial city, and the "safe zones" on the doors in IC should remove you from combat automatically. This way people cannot abuse the queue to escape being attacked, but if they're not directly in combat and able to go through a door, they'll be able to start a queue.
Even imposing the "half your telvar" penalty on the queue won't stop these people from abusing it - they'd rather lose their telvar to the void than get killed by you for it.
React
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Re: Cyrodiil & Imperial City – Community Q&A
Thanks for this.
A. We are actively working on ways to combat identified strategies, like heal stacking, among others. You will see the first steps to address this in Update 49, next year. As noted in some of the answers here, we are leaning into solutions that utilize Battle Spirit.
Looking forward to hearing more about this. It is an issue that we've been begging to be addressed going on several years now, basically since the introduction of plaguebreak, which has only been exacerbated by hybridization, scribing, and subclassing.
Q. What do you think about the ability to leave a battle that is unfavorable for you with impunity by simply moving to the Imperial Sewers and back during the battle? Is it fair? - Noreno
A. We can confirm we’re looking at adjusting this, but we don’t have any specifics to share today. We will keep you updated as we have more info.
I know the commenter posted this question in regards to a player leaving a fight in cyrodiil, but I want to point out the much more frustrating version is a player leaving imperial city to escape tel var loss. Currently, every single person who farms tel var on PC NA utilizes the queue to escape every single time they get attacked. They will farm tel var on something that cannot be killed without a long fight, as soon as you hit them they pop a defensive ult and activate the queue, and in under 10 seconds they disappear from the campaign. This completely circumvents the risk/reward nature of imperial city and makes farming telvar effectively completely safe. Many people complain that only gankers play in IC these days - but when you cannot kill these farmers without doing 40k damage to them from stealth because they'll just queue out, it definitely makes sense why people don't bother attacking them on anything other than gankers.
A. We are actively working on ways to combat identified strategies, like heal stacking, among others. You will see the first steps to address this in Update 49, next year. As noted in some of the answers here, we are leaning into solutions that utilize Battle Spirit.
Looking forward to hearing more about this. It is an issue that we've been begging to be addressed going on several years now, basically since the introduction of plaguebreak, which has only been exacerbated by hybridization, scribing, and subclassing.
Q. What do you think about the ability to leave a battle that is unfavorable for you with impunity by simply moving to the Imperial Sewers and back during the battle? Is it fair? - Noreno
A. We can confirm we’re looking at adjusting this, but we don’t have any specifics to share today. We will keep you updated as we have more info.
I know the commenter posted this question in regards to a player leaving a fight in cyrodiil, but I want to point out the much more frustrating version is a player leaving imperial city to escape tel var loss. Currently, every single person who farms tel var on PC NA utilizes the queue to escape every single time they get attacked. They will farm tel var on something that cannot be killed without a long fight, as soon as you hit them they pop a defensive ult and activate the queue, and in under 10 seconds they disappear from the campaign. This completely circumvents the risk/reward nature of imperial city and makes farming telvar effectively completely safe. Many people complain that only gankers play in IC these days - but when you cannot kill these farmers without doing 40k damage to them from stealth because they'll just queue out, it definitely makes sense why people don't bother attacking them on anything other than gankers.
React
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