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Re: Tomes weekly challenges too much work
on page 10 on both servers with more than 2 months to go. stop trying to do everything at once and do the stuff you normally do and collect the bennies along the way. yah sure coordinate your task list to the things you doing. no big deal.
see like if you have 3 tasks on the list that all say kill a public dungeon boss in wrotgar you get credit on each item listed for the one task. same is true for gathering mats and such. plan your work and work your plan danialson... wax on wax off
see like if you have 3 tasks on the list that all say kill a public dungeon boss in wrotgar you get credit on each item listed for the one task. same is true for gathering mats and such. plan your work and work your plan danialson... wax on wax off
Re: Tomes weekly challenges too much work
Tome challange with 1000 enemies are possible to do in group?
Yes, but most folks seem to have missed the idea that this challenge lasts until July 9 when then next Tome rolls in. I've knocked off about half of it since it showed up simply by having a couple of characters who need to rank up Thieves Guild picking up Spencer Rye's daily and then walking to the quest objective. Hopefully enemies in the grotto and Bahraha's Gloom will start counting soon, but scorpions, rats, herons, Dragon Frogs, and whatnot work just as well (if it has a hit point, it counts and usually fills my bait container). Two characters had not completed Orzorga's four quests and needed her recipes, so those helped, too. Point being that nibbling will get you there just the same as devouring.
Re: SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
I think a lot of things can be true at the same time - yet everyones posts tend to be "this" or "that".
After reading an insane amount of responses the bulk of what I'm seeing is this.
People who like Vengence:
- Mainly self described "casuals" or "medicore" players
- Dislike for "bombers", "ball groups", "tower humpers", "burst combos"
- Enjoy the "zerg" aspect of it
- Little lag
- Larger player count
- Simplified "builds"
People who dislike Vengence:
- No theory crafting or "build" options
- Dislike the "zergs only" aspect of it
- Way too "simplified"
- Little mention of ball groups (pro or anti)
- Overall consider it a "cheese" version of PvP
Here is my "both can be true" take:
First, and most importantly IMO, PVP in MMOs is supposed to be hard. There are simply players who are better than me and will kick my butt everytime I run into them - that is just a fact. I know there are people who if I try to 1v1 them I'll get dominated everytime - and that is perfectly fine and healthy for a game. Having a skill gap forces me to want to improve, look at logs and figure out were my weakness is, etc. It's the same as hardcore trial groups who min/man the crap out of things.
With that being said, not everyone is like me - and that is okay too. There are people in my friend group who are coming into cyrodiil right now for the first time and are having a rough go at it. The barrier to entry to GH is a bit too difficult at the moment and I applaude ZoS for trying to make it easier. Vengence is a great campaign for an U50/"heres how you PvP" but that is where it stops. For the core audince its strongly disliked. I wrote an extremly lengthy post in the feedback thread covering some of those reasons.. you can read it here if you'd like (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8464907/#Comment_8464907)
GH has the zergs, the smallman fights, the permablock tanks, the tower humpers, the ball groups, etc - vengence has pretty much one thing - 200+ person zergs. You allienate the overwhelming majority of player types to cater to one core group - casuals - are casuals going to show up every night and keep the campaign alive - I don't know that answer but I have a hunch on what it is....and I think a lot of other people doo as well.
Anyways, back to my both things can be true comment.
GH in general needs a hard balance pass.. and followed up balance passes.
I say this as someone who ran in ball groups for many many years - they are too damn OP at the moment. They need to be tuned down significantly. EVERY MMO that has successful PvP has ball groups in some shame/form so ZoS would be fooling themself if they tried to eliminate them - and honestly for a 10+ year old game why would you want to push away any paying customer you have (yes ball groups buy things on the crown store/sub).
We also need to work on the tower humpers a bit but they aren't as big of a problem as ball groups. Pull sets in lag is a really big problem that hasn't been fixed, shield stacking, heal stacking (good change there zos keep this mindset up), etc are good places to start.
You can absolutley have a GH that has zergs, ball groups, small man fights all over the map, tower humpers doing their thing, etc, without having to gut the entire PvP experience that we have come to know and love.
Peoples opinions on what makes a good mode, IMO, are warped too much from ball groups in their current form and not from a "what if we nerfed ball groups a bit and balanced things out a bit" perspective.
Last point: When your core PvP player base, who has stuck with you through years and years even after feeling neglected or disrespect from certain studio members, takes a week off instead of playing a test where they can provide feedback/shape the future of the mode they love.... you know you've got a bigger problem and have missed the mark entirely.
/end rambling
After reading an insane amount of responses the bulk of what I'm seeing is this.
People who like Vengence:
- Mainly self described "casuals" or "medicore" players
- Dislike for "bombers", "ball groups", "tower humpers", "burst combos"
- Enjoy the "zerg" aspect of it
- Little lag
- Larger player count
- Simplified "builds"
People who dislike Vengence:
- No theory crafting or "build" options
- Dislike the "zergs only" aspect of it
- Way too "simplified"
- Little mention of ball groups (pro or anti)
- Overall consider it a "cheese" version of PvP
Here is my "both can be true" take:
First, and most importantly IMO, PVP in MMOs is supposed to be hard. There are simply players who are better than me and will kick my butt everytime I run into them - that is just a fact. I know there are people who if I try to 1v1 them I'll get dominated everytime - and that is perfectly fine and healthy for a game. Having a skill gap forces me to want to improve, look at logs and figure out were my weakness is, etc. It's the same as hardcore trial groups who min/man the crap out of things.
With that being said, not everyone is like me - and that is okay too. There are people in my friend group who are coming into cyrodiil right now for the first time and are having a rough go at it. The barrier to entry to GH is a bit too difficult at the moment and I applaude ZoS for trying to make it easier. Vengence is a great campaign for an U50/"heres how you PvP" but that is where it stops. For the core audince its strongly disliked. I wrote an extremly lengthy post in the feedback thread covering some of those reasons.. you can read it here if you'd like (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8464907/#Comment_8464907)
GH has the zergs, the smallman fights, the permablock tanks, the tower humpers, the ball groups, etc - vengence has pretty much one thing - 200+ person zergs. You allienate the overwhelming majority of player types to cater to one core group - casuals - are casuals going to show up every night and keep the campaign alive - I don't know that answer but I have a hunch on what it is....and I think a lot of other people doo as well.
Anyways, back to my both things can be true comment.
GH in general needs a hard balance pass.. and followed up balance passes.
I say this as someone who ran in ball groups for many many years - they are too damn OP at the moment. They need to be tuned down significantly. EVERY MMO that has successful PvP has ball groups in some shame/form so ZoS would be fooling themself if they tried to eliminate them - and honestly for a 10+ year old game why would you want to push away any paying customer you have (yes ball groups buy things on the crown store/sub).
We also need to work on the tower humpers a bit but they aren't as big of a problem as ball groups. Pull sets in lag is a really big problem that hasn't been fixed, shield stacking, heal stacking (good change there zos keep this mindset up), etc are good places to start.
You can absolutley have a GH that has zergs, ball groups, small man fights all over the map, tower humpers doing their thing, etc, without having to gut the entire PvP experience that we have come to know and love.
Peoples opinions on what makes a good mode, IMO, are warped too much from ball groups in their current form and not from a "what if we nerfed ball groups a bit and balanced things out a bit" perspective.
Last point: When your core PvP player base, who has stuck with you through years and years even after feeling neglected or disrespect from certain studio members, takes a week off instead of playing a test where they can provide feedback/shape the future of the mode they love.... you know you've got a bigger problem and have missed the mark entirely.
/end rambling
LadyGP
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Re: Should 4v4v4 (3 Teams) Battleground mode become permanent again?
Parasaurolophus wrote: »8v8 is simply more fun to play. There are more players, less individual responsibility, and more small-scale skirmishes even in objective-based modes. It’s actually hard to explain exactly why — it just feels lighter and more casual. Especially when both teams are well balanced, matches can become genuinely engaging.
Yeah 2 teams is more easygoing. In 4v4v4 there's double the amount of enemies as teammates and you have to keep your head on a swivel constantly or else you'll get pincered. Also, since matches can start with 1 missing player, being on a 3v4 or a 7v8 is not as bad as a 3v4v4 which is basically hopeless.
ive been put in a lot of 3v4v4 matches where i was on the 3 team and won so its not hopeless
Dk Whip
I got back like two days ago
who's the insane mind to make something like that
it's gonna get nerfed right?
who's the insane mind to make something like that
it's gonna get nerfed right?
Skander
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Re: I LOVE VENGEANCE!!
Same! 100%. Busy with life stuff. So grinding or build crafting is lame as F. I want to start the game and have fun right away. Cool concept, super fun. Hope it stays!
We shouldn't have to create builds for PvE content now either. No farming gear for any reason for any content. All trials, arena, dungeons and everything should just be premade builds with load outs already generated. And we should never die to anything except fall damage.
reazea
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Re: Three-Sided Deathmatch
As far as I can tell, bringing back 3-sided with its third flaw resolved has resulted in near-instant queue times for both PC/NA and PC/EU. Is everyone experiencing the same?
Far as I can tell a slight decrease in queue speed, sometimes instant, but not really any meaningful match quality improvements, which is what I've thought you've been chasing all the time with your various Lopsided this, unwinnable that commentary. (and the uptick in queue may simply be from nostalgia and/or a mode with significant gameplay changes)
Were your instant queue matches good quality or not, or are you going to provide zero actionable feedback about the thing you want?
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Re: Request: Crossplay FAQ
Hi All, just wanted to follow up here. I know some folks would like info now, but we are still a bit too early for sharing anything. There is quite a bit that is getting figured out and subject to change. But once we have some core concrete info, we will certainly share more info, long before testing and release of Crossplay. But one thing to reiterate. Crossplay will not be this year. We know that is disappointing, but we need the year to work through a lot of the considerations we need to make for Crossplay.
Thanks for the response, Kevin, but I'm concerned that "long before testing and release of Crossplay" will, on past experience, mean "when decisions are set in stone".
Perhaps a middle-ground position would be to let the community know now what at least some of the considerations are that you need to work through so that feedback can be given before the team completes that work and reaches conclusions they can't vary from.
We've given in this and other threads - and will doubtless continue to do so - the sort of considerations that the community has. Are they included in the sort of considerations that the team is working through?
Tandor
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