z32 wrote: »

Because NM is not just Dungeon or Trial. Whole zone including overland part is turned into one.

The entire Night Market, including the mini-dungeons and mini-trial (which are just single boss fights) is for groups, so that's the point. There is no "overland" in Night Market. If this had been a dungeon DLC, you'll get two dungeons and that's it--there's no "overland" in there either.

z32 wrote: »

How would you feel if everything in NM was overland difficulty including dungeon and trial, and then you were told to ignore it and do your existing dungeons and trails that you have plenty of?

That would depend. If we are getting a dungeon DLC this year, then I'd be perfectly fine with that. I said during PTS--and I said again in the post that you quoted--that I would vastly prefer a dungeon DLC over the Night Market. Night Market has its highlights (Opulent), but for the most part it's a grindy repacking of old content--kind of like a group version of Infinite Archive, and if I could sacrifice it for the usual dungeon DLC, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But there is no dungeon DLC this year, so here we are.

But for people who prefer solo content, there are Rumors, Favors, and two new stories coming soon, plus a new zone later this year. My point is that one event zone that is not tailored for the solo player is no different than them doing an entire DLC that is similarly not intended for the solo player, and they used to do the latter twice a year, every year.

There are also webbed people that you can free with the grapple. They're enemies, though, but they drop nice loot if you kill them after freeing them (ok, that does seem kinda wrong and ironic).

There's only so much you can do tank and healer wise in group content. DPS is what guarantees something to be cleared, and since being a DD is the easiest role for someone to do in the game, making a class do more damage is not a bad thing. Essentially, an increase in DPS is a buff for healer and tank roles since it makes them take less pressure. The less time the fight takes, the less "clutch" heal and tank moments you need.

Also, it's not like DK is a bad class tank wise. They were given a skill that allows them to permanently block which trivializes the sustain portion of the role which is probably the hardest part about tanking. The class mastery passives are also going to give them a group wide major berserk and protection buff. They also have a templar rune skill which grants major protection and a heal over time. They're doing just fine there.

Martiandawn wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I know some people may not be aware but this is not an expansion. ESO no longer has expansions. The chapter model was killed, much to the delight of many here on the forums. We are now on a seasonal model. Each season will likely have a theme and a battle pass around that theme. We know this is the case for next season. There will not be a new zone to explore this year but multiple solo questing for next season. There will also be dynamic events that scale and can be solo'd easily as well as new ways to do dailies in rumors and favors. The new system is a solo puzzle style IA. So plenty for casual solo players to do. It's just all on a seasonal model now.

I know this is not a traditional expansion. That's my point. The old expansion system included something for everyone with each new release. This first release under the "season" system does not; it is weighted almost exclusively toward one type of player. Zenimax apparently expects the rest of us to simply wait around and see if the next seasonal offering has more for us to do. What incentive do we have to do that?

I would very much tell you that anyone who says "this style of player has been keeping the lights on" is incorrect. You should endeavor to not spread that kind of misinformation. More likely it's that many different kinds of players subscribe, but crowns and dlc stuff. Most players I know aren't just 1 kind of player. They do housing, questing, dungeons, overland dailies, all kinds of things. Anyone that tells you this is what the majority is or wants is lying to you.

It's not misinformation. I've been observing the ups and downs in the player base for over a decade now. The players who complain the most about changes to content and game mechanics, and who tend to take "breaks" from the game when they feel their needs are not being met, are the ones who focus on chasing the meta. The players who seek a story-driven RPG experience tend to stick around.

You and I agree very much about expansions. I was very sad when they announced the changes in January and almost stopped playing because of it, after almost 10 years. I'm not going to re-litigate it but it's a bummer. But yes, they very much expect you to wait and see if the next season is for you. Or not wait. But this is what it is now. I saw during the cheering of the death of chapters, many players had never played a seasonal battle pass mmo. Which is fine but that is how it works. There will be seasons that are a bust for you or me. You either wait or check back next season or leave. Zos has said they no longer have it, that they cannot move forward as they were and cannot do chapters. I'd tell you which directors fault it was but they told me I picked on him so I won't. It really is a bummer but is what it is.

Overall the Night Market is fun for any type of grouping, from premade to soft group.
For solo player, I found it challenging and not rewarding (considering the endeavors). But it is OK.
As a player who votes with my legs, I spent the most of my ESO time in the Night Market for the last week. Also, I see half of my guildmates are constantly there.


The Awesome part, that I admire.

The Night Market has variability.
Some tough bosses, some puzzles, some quests with location seeking. It is fun.

The boss mechanics are familiar and mixed at the same time.
The spider protected with stones, protected with ghosts, protected with invisibility? That was nice!
Sea sload ressing a skeleton dragon? Amazing!
As a PvE mechanics enjoyer, I have a lot of fun.

The 12-people trial is a real thing.
Not so tough dps requirement but strong responsibility for mechanics and coordination makes it an awesome group challenge.
I didn't try it with a random group yet, but I definitely will. I really wish to see it.

The idea of relics that help traverse through the districts, work as keys to dungeons, and have a key role in trial mechanics at the same time...
It is huge. I really, really love it.

The wandering Duneripper that eats you to have gastric reflux because of too many heroes eaten - it is legendary!


The Good part, that I like.

Rewards from Calamitous bosses and Skirmishes happen to be cool.
Trade bars, group repairs, full spectrum of motifs, including the latest ones.
(I was really surprised to get a Coldharbor Dominator motif page)

Separating into three districts with their own theme makes a great atmosphere.

The structure of bosses and how they respawn is easy to get.
The HUD page with keys structure and skirmish timers is well organized and helps a lot.

Buffs from easy content like puzzles and speed challenges are helpful and can help some weak groups if a group leader cares.


The Poor part, that could be better.

The rewards for a veteran player are poor.
The sets, even the trial ones like IA or serpent, are old and barely useful. We collected them already.
Even a gold-quality item of it isn't really cool for a player who ran your DLC trials.
Some motifs are new and rare, but many of them are old. There is a really wide random, that makes the farm senseless.

Very small limit for players in instance.
It makes the error "Unable to port to leader" happen so often that it becomes a pain for a GF user.

Puzzles are griefed by a random player easily.
I managed to do them silently only at night, when nobody's around.
Maybe it should've been placed in an instance where only your group members can join you?

The HUD counter for skirmishes displays wrong information (from the previous instance probably) after you port into a new instance. That sometimes turns the group goals into chaos.


The Ugly part, that I don't like at all.

Group Finder doesn't work well for 4-people dungeons.
The role limits are just bugged.
The requirements, like having keys and a relic, are impossible to check until a group member gets stuck before the dungeon pathway.
It turns into a struggle to find a random member for a dungeon.

Keys farming for each dungeon and trial run turns into a burden very fast.
It is fun the first time. It is OK the second. But now it is irritating.
I don't like when the game sends me to do some bosses or dungeons, when my friends need help with a trial in 15 minutes.
It is as silly as running in a hamster wheel.
I would like to see it the same way as relics - once you open it, you can run it whenever you want.


Summary, Thank you for the nice event zone, dear Team!
You've done good work here.
With some improvements it will be even better.

twisttop138 wrote: »

I know some people may not be aware but this is not an expansion. ESO no longer has expansions. The chapter model was killed, much to the delight of many here on the forums. We are now on a seasonal model. Each season will likely have a theme and a battle pass around that theme. We know this is the case for next season. There will not be a new zone to explore this year but multiple solo questing for next season. There will also be dynamic events that scale and can be solo'd easily as well as new ways to do dailies in rumors and favors. The new system is a solo puzzle style IA. So plenty for casual solo players to do. It's just all on a seasonal model now.

I know this is not a traditional expansion. That's my point. The old expansion system included something for everyone with each new release. This first release under the "season" system does not; it is weighted almost exclusively toward one type of player. Zenimax apparently expects the rest of us to simply wait around and see if the next seasonal offering has more for us to do. What incentive do we have to do that?

I would very much tell you that anyone who says "this style of player has been keeping the lights on" is incorrect. You should endeavor to not spread that kind of misinformation. More likely it's that many different kinds of players subscribe, but crowns and dlc stuff. Most players I know aren't just 1 kind of player. They do housing, questing, dungeons, overland dailies, all kinds of things. Anyone that tells you this is what the majority is or wants is lying to you.

It's not misinformation. I've been observing the ups and downs in the player base for over a decade now. The players who complain the most about changes to content and game mechanics, and who tend to take "breaks" from the game when they feel their needs are not being met, are the ones who focus on chasing the meta. The players who seek a story-driven RPG experience tend to stick around.

Gets boring super fast. Less and less groups every day.

How did you manage to do the guiding light solo? There isn't enough time to activate all the pads needed to move the mirrors, not unless you luck out and know by heart exactly which ones and how many times with only one glance at the starting set-up.

Not fun solo and when you group it's OK but gets super boring fast.

Athory wrote: »

As long as I have the option to play the way I want, as it has always been in ESO, I’m fine with it.
The day that changes is the day I stop caring about ESO and move on.

i mean, technically, you dont get to solo Fungal Grotto II due to the paralysis mechanic.

You can't solo Direfrost Keep due to the pressure plates requiring 2 players.

Can't solo most trials.

So perhaps you're past due - may you sustain the strength of your convictions in your future endeavors.