There will be bad players with bad builds using this mythic, but the fact remains that this mythic increases your damage by around 30% (pretty much every build I have with SPS currently frequently lands status effects in the 50-70% range of damage done, where as without mythic this would be 20-25% at most).

For comparison, Warmask gives you somewhere between 10-20% (depending on other % dmg done buffs) against single target, while nerfing your damage against everyone else. Another comparison: you wouldn't get more damage with Monomyth even if you had 100% critical chance.


Anyone thinking that's fine and balanced is living completely detached from reality.

Liking this "new meta" is a different thing... until you realize that it leads to people complaining about:

• Serpent's Disdain
• Unleashed
• Plaguebreak
• Sheer Venom
• Nunatak
• Winterborn
• Threads of War
• Way of Fire
• Elemental Susceptibility
• Force Pulse/Crushing Shock
• Jabs
• Arctic Blast
• Cutting Dive/Poison Injection
• DK Skills with guaranteed Burning

...and so so many other things with high likelihood of status procs. And then you get nerfs to these "op" abilities like Cutting Dive or Jabs, because it's better to nerf everything apart from the actual problem, right? And don't tell me this isn't happening, it already has on PTS.

Thank you for the feedback. I think it's a good start for the week one things. I do admit that I wish the keys were addressed this week but I suspect that also won't be a quick fix so I understand.

After reading this my biggest feedback/hope to hear about in week two's notes are:

• Keys-this is quickly causing group friction and souring the event for many. It's physically impossible to replenish keys before some runs, it makes it difficult to fill if a person has an emergency, and it also is making some people feel left out/left behind. The keys as they currently are are unfun and stressful and causing a lot of social tensions that are undesired.
• Rewards-reward discrepancy is real. For a lot of seasoned players most of the rewards feel meh but for the side quests/exploration dailies they are particularly bad. I suggested adding leads from other sources as a boon to lead/lore hunters maybe could help, also a small chance for rare furnishings/recipes/polymorphs/etc. Another thing I kinda want now is a stickerbook but for treasures. I admit I have enjoyed reading the vendor trash before I sell it and I've kept a few, given there are few up to date eso treasure records out there it would be cool to have a new system in game for them similar to antiquities and it could fit the theme of the night market and be something cool for Night Market 2.0 maybe?
• The Parch Dungeon Desynchs-I've noticed many desynchs while trying to get the side achievement in the Parch dungeon. I have died at least ten times to crushing darkness despite on my screen and the screen of my allies being way ahead of it, we've had several times we've interrupted archers only for their taking aim to still go off and stun/kill someone, etc. Can someone take a look at it to make sure everything's working okay? I haven't experienced this desynch anywhere else in the Night Market and it's making going for the side achievement extra frustrating. I also don't know if this is on all platforms or PC NA but it's been a consistent problem whenever I've personally been in there with groups.

I think those are the three thinks I hope get addressed the most. Thanks again for the update and for the Night Market, I really love it and hope it continues to grow and thrive over time.

Is there anything planned about rewards? After reaching 10k favor and completing your faction Helm/Shoulder collection I don't see many reasons to keep going to the NM except for finishing some Achievements like the ''Do Daily Quest 30x Times''.

Might become an issue in the future due to this particular zone being harder than your usual Overland map.

I think some ppl still do not realize what this Mythic enables.
Infinite sustain, infinite Streak, 5 HoTs + Burst heal, still being able to use Power Overload, 35k HP on a tanky build, Projectile protection via Crystal Slab, free root via Nuntak and as the Cherry on top ONE single ranged skills that has same DPS as a whole burst combo PLUS even more AoE damage in melee range ...total healthy for the game I guess.

Ecgberht_confused wrote: »

I did, with unleashed triggered by DK chains (get 6 seconds of major berserk on top and guaranteed burning

Could only find these two skeleton dummy parse screenshots from PTS regarding OW builds with and without Shattered Path. They've got different layouts but should be same skills and rotations, various pressure set layouts with Serpents/Dragons/Draugr/Maars always approx 35k without SPS and 45k with SPS. Yeah thats like a 30% damage buff from wearing 1pc of gear.

Without SPS


With SPS (look at Concussion damage in particular)


This is what 44k on dummy does in a duel


This isn't really a problem on a melee dueling build, but you can do disturbingly close to this level on zero risk low effort ranged spam setups such as LA + Ele Sus + Threads of War. Decimus said he did 40k with this spam which is gonna be like 6-8k against players, you don't want to be taking that from a melee dueler, let alone someone on the roof spamming 2 buttons.

I am a longtime pressure build enjoyer and am happy to finally see buffs to the playstyle, but there are good and bad ways to do that. Brainless spam or "set and forget" tactics are the wrong way to design pressure. This is gonna make players hate pressure builds because "ranged dot stacking" is just as miserable for the game as one shotting.

We're what, like, a third of the way through the season? And I've collected pretty well everything I want including all of the premium collectibles without even using caches. Gold is nice, but to agree with others, I would love something like a repeatable tri pot tome point sink

allochthons wrote: »

eashi wrote: »

and because I was being helpful I left with no keys at all. This was not a group I normally run with and I will have to re-farm all of the stuff before I run with my other group later this week. The current system actively discourages helping in this way since for some it might mean they no longer can run with the group they signed up for/want to because someone asked them to help and they said yes.

Just want to emphasize this. ^^
In trying to encourage grouping and helping out, the unintended consequence is that you're discouraging it once you've completed anything.

Ways to fix keys, in order of usefulness:
1) Once you gain a key, you always have it. Then you're free to run any of the content at any time, for yourself or to help others. Everyone wins, no one loses.
2) Let the keys stack. Less useful, but workable.
3) Let us craft the keys. Less useful, but workable. UNLESS the crafting mats are rare, in which case, this is useless. And for the love of Alkosh, don't make the crafting mats faction-locked drops.

I threw you an agree but I do think there’s a problem with permanent key unlocks: it breaks the concept of the core gameplay loop. Letting keys stack would give groups the option if they want to do a full argent to opulent run or do a gilded to opulent run or do an opulent only run. Permanent unlocks would make argent, gilded, and opulent runs separate almost all if not all of the time and would eventually cause thinning out of people trying to do some of the content. I don’t think the dungeons are enticing on their own right now, aside from the side achievements and need for keys.

Nightmarket is great overall. I've really enjoyed it. Echoing others, the keys man, the keys.

I am happy to help any player out to get keys, except... when it will ruin a run I have planned later that day or the next. It prevents me from helping because I don't have time to grind out the keys again.

Please make the keys permanent for that season. That will allow players to help others without losing group play elsewhere. New season can be a new grind for perm keys.

Averall, love it. Keep up the good work!

Having now through the content several times, my biggest crtique would be having to re-grind Argent keys to get into the Dungeons. I feel like that is just an unncecessary step.

Other than that, I think some in-game hints about races and oddities would make things more obvious for some players, and of course addressing some of the bugs.

One issue that stands out is the synergy order. Running to a jump pad and having to cycle through the race synergies first is problematic.

Other than that, I'd say for future openings of the Night Market, you should change things up a bit. Re-work the achievements for the oddities to not be so specfic, same for the races. and bosses, so that no one misses out if the missed it the first time and then next time have different oddities, races, and bosses.

eashi wrote: »

and because I was being helpful I left with no keys at all. This was not a group I normally run with and I will have to re-farm all of the stuff before I run with my other group later this week. The current system actively discourages helping in this way since for some it might mean they no longer can run with the group they signed up for/want to because someone asked them to help and they said yes.

Just want to emphasize this. ^^
In trying to encourage grouping and helping out, the unintended consequence is that you're discouraging it once we've completed anything.

Ways to fix keys, in order of usefulness:
1) Once we gain a key, we always have it. Then we're free to run any of the content at any time, for ourself or to help others. Everyone wins, no one loses.
2) Let the keys stack. Less useful, but workable.
3) Let us craft the keys. Less useful, but workable. UNLESS the crafting mats are rare, in which case, this is useless. And for the love of Alkosh, don't make the crafting mats faction-locked drops. That would be rage-inducing.