DenverRalphy wrote: »

AdamBourke wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

AdamBourke wrote: »

I was expecting it to be closer to normal group dungeons in difficulty, and it feels more like vet dlc dungeon difficulty? My normal dungeon group cant do this stuff and thats disappointing as we were excited to have some group content to do outside of dungeons.

How big are the groups from the group finder? 4 people? Or more?

Maximum of 12 players

Wow then my group was way too small. Its sad, I was looking forwards to playing this with my friends, but pugging holds no interest for us so I guess we're just gonna have to stay disappointed

I've been running 6 with man groups (1T, 1H, 4D) quite comfortably. All experienced players acquainted with each other but not necessarily having played together all the time. A tight-knit 4 man group can probably do okay as long as another group is working the area, and the area isn't full of non-grouped players pulling a train of monsters through your battles.

I was nervous after all the feedback. Was tedious solo. My raid team is forming in 20 for us to go in but a different guild was just calling for people and we ended up with like 5 or 6 and just decimated the skittering district. I'm actually hoping we split the raid team, 12 optimized people will be too much.

That said, rewards are laaaame. The grind is weird. No one knows what to do. Some people had a quest to use fire things on spiders but we all got credit even without the quest, don't know how that works. RNG to get to the actual bosses is not good. Having to do it all over again to fight the trial boss again is also not fun. Beyond that though, super fun. In a group.

This content is not for me.

hoangdz wrote: »

To me, Vengeance is a good concept, but poorly executed. While I do love the fact that lag and the annoying in-combat bug are less problematic here, there are 3 main issues I found with this campaign, and they are unfortunately a deal breaker for me:

1) AoE cap - this turns the campaign into a numbers game where sheer number wins.
2) No skill morphs - I would like to be able to use my stamsorc skills like Crystal Weapon or Bound Armaments, but unfortunately they do not exist.
3) Limited stat manipulation - Like, why can’t I just dump 70% of my max mag into stam, or 80% mag regen into stam regen?

This whole campaign just feels like a zerg campaign to me. Until they address these concerns, I will not be participating in it.

@hoangdz They messed around with the AOE caps this test and it was drastically for the better. The campaign most days PCNA was nearing pop lock for EP/AD and sometimes DC with no lag or fps issues on my end. 1vX was very much so possible now. Sorc is just not setup for 1vX because of its sustain issues (zos needs to make sustain tools more worthwhile in vengeance), however DK can easily tank 8+ enemies in vengeance if setup right and still close out kills.

Skill morphs should certainly be introduced. However I think zos needs to keep it performative in mind and easy to code. For instance Streak does the stun at the final location, make Ball stun at the starting location. Dizzy does a short cast spammable damage hit, make wrecking blow do a long cast high damage hit. Quite literally they can make drastically different playstyles by copy and pasting their current skill code and tweaking one or two of the attributes.

Stats are another thing, where I think they can slowly introduce systems like mundus, attributes, food and slowly reduce the base stats down to compensate. This way not everyone is force to run a mag based toon.

Gear I could see zos implementing the noproc sets as a start into a vengeance stickerbook. IMO they should just keep the pve and pvp systems separated because people like the quick login and teleport automatically swapping you to vengeance setups. Eventually they could turn all the perks they made into item sets within the vengeance UI based stickerbook item sets. This system could also make AP more useful for purchasing new sets or changing traits or golding gear out within the stickerbook.

Ill have to discord you when the next one is around so we can duo/trio Curi and I were having a blast. I know on GH we can duo and be idiots messing with ballgroups or big zergs and get away with it, personally I just dont expect to do the same against 200+ player groups in a more balanced environment.

The rewards are so disappointing. The glorious coffer is okay, but otherwise it's just an uncollected piece from a base zone? Thanks I guess. What if we have them all?
And why doesn't Unmoored Moriah reward anything for placing her spy stones?

RapidUrsa wrote: »

I agree! I’m loving it! Very fun to sneak around getting the questing done!

If I wanted sneaking I would go doing heists. Yes, I also started using invisibility pots because I got bored of same fighting with no drops to compensate for time spent.

If you need skill points to go with your skill line, ZOS also sells skyshards for alt characters. These are all things I tend not to buy as I'm not the target audience for such a product. Perhaps the same is true for you?

Okay, while I personally didn't like the experience in the night market at all,

I think that comes mainly down to that I don't too much PvE and everything felt really confusing.

However here are some things that many of us had issues with overall:

1) For a lot of people the first quest was bugged. They couldn't choose a fraction. After multiple tries it did seem to have worked eventually for everyone.

2) A lot of people had issues getting OUT of the market in the end.

3) Why isn't it possible to share quest? People in the groups had different quests needed to go to different things, which made it extra hard.

4) Especially at first when you try to figure things out, in that case the spawn rate of the mobs are a bit too high.

I agree with you OP and anyone that is saying they can solo it must be using hacks cos even large guild groups are saying it's hard. I went in with my hubby and our companions in our IA builds and we couldnt get past second group of mobs and we had a couple of random players killing mobs with us. It was very sad to watch them try and then fall down like potatoes.

It's heart breaking cos i love to give all eso content a good go but with this i hardly got started...no chance. Who on earth is testing these events on pts.

For those of us who checked out the Night Market and passed on it as it does not suit our tastes or playstyle, was it really necessary to make this week's addition to the seasonal tome challenges Night Market focused? I mean, beyond the first golden pursuit (starter quest), I won't be doing any of the golden pursuits - and I'm fine with that, but having a seasonal tomes task that is also Night Market seems quite like adding insult to injury. I was fine passing on the Night Market but now am more than a little peeved having it contaminate tomes as well.

Just came here to say, I'm quite curious to see if they'll lock this like they did with the negative feedback threads.