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Re: Concerns/Potential Solutions to Cross Play/Cross Prog
tomofhyrule wrote: »DietDrKelp2 wrote: »Character/Guild Names
A lot of people have concerns about having to change their name, share names but with numbers at the end, and Guild names to completely change. All of these could change the identity of your character or guilds.
This is the hardest one ive found a solution for but someone made a point I thought was interesting. Instead of just ripping off the band aid and making people change character names or putting a string of numbers at the end, put an identifier for what platform that character was from. So like my character Estel of Gil-Var-Delle was made on Playstation so I own that name on Playstation, put a "#PS" at the end. This would make it to where people wouldn't have to change names and be identified by what platform they were on so they know that Estel#PS is not the same person as Estel#Pc. Also if you owned the name on all platforms then when they merged onto one account you wouldn't have to change their names either on your own account. And this could hidden in certain menus. So like text chat have it or nameplates, but not on character screen or character sheets, since only the player sees that. This could also be done to guilds aswell. Example Guild-Pc, Guild-Ps, or Guild-Xbox. No one would have to worry about changing names or guild's names and maybe the devs could do this on their end more efficiently then us doing it one by one at login or something.
As has been mentioned in every other one of the previous threads about this, this solution is not appropriate for the RP-focused players.
Account names? Sure. Guild names? I guess, but it'll be awkward. But Character names? Hard no.
Character names are used in universe. There are points where you use your character name in dialogue or see it in notes in the world. There is no way to bring someone out of the world quicker than to walk up to Darien and literally say "My name is Bob Smith PC." A PC is not a thing in the TES universe!
The solution to this is for them to decouple character names from everything else, and thus allow duplicate character names in the same server. Every character already has an internal ID that can be checked by using addons or a script command (For example, on PCNA the IDs are of the form 87960930XXXXXXXX). Any mail/reports/etc. can already go through account name instead of character name, so they just need to make it so it goes exclusively through account name.
Sure, that'll mean you can have a lot of "Geralt of Riverhold"s walking around, but is that any worse than having 37 Zeriths at any site? At least for the solo/RP/lore-focused crowd, they'll still be able to have their characters as intended.
I did say it could be hidden in certain instances and you brought up a lot that the little identifier would need to be.
However those are very good points. We already have people with super similar character names, why not just allow people to have duplicate toon names since, as you said, all the important stuff goes through account IDs anyways.
Re: Concerns/Potential Solutions to Cross Play/Cross Prog
frogthroat wrote: »If the intention is to make a true crossplay, I would say no to this, too.tomofhyrule wrote: »Guild names? I guess, but it'll be awkward.
Differentiating guilds based on their original platform would keep guilds (mostly) platform specific.If a PS guild wants to remain as PS guild, they can write it in their description and vet the players who want to join. But there shouldn't be any symbol or a note that this guild originates from a certain platform. It will, if not consciously, at least subconsciously keep many players from other platforms away from that guild preventing mixing.
The flags of the origin of a guild should be invisible to the users.
Do you have any solutions on how they would go about dealing with guilds with similar names?
If one guild is called "Steve's guild" on Playstation and "Steve's guild" on Pc, when cross play happens that would create confusion and make it to where one might have to change their name because of the naming rules or what have you. Also, if players say Steve's guild is the best guild or Steve's guild is a toxic guild, how would anyone know which guild is which if they have no identifiable markers? I feel like some solution needs to be made with something being a visible distinction, or the band aid affect will happens where one guild would have to change their name to reduce overlapping guild names and community confusion.
Re: Concerns/Potential Solutions to Cross Play/Cross Prog
ESO_player123 wrote: »Why would bank inventories be merged? As far as I understand, if Joe has accounts on, say, PCNA and Xbox NA, they would be treated as separate accounts.
So with cross progressions in other games, such as Call of Duty or overwatch, you have a single unified account across all platforms, like Blizzard and Activision. If they went and merged everything to a single "ESO Account" then I can log into all my stuff on whatever platform I want and have access to all the same stuff, like I can with Call of Duty. Thats why bank inventories could be a problem if that was the cross progression they went with.
Concerns/Potential Solutions to Cross Play/Cross Prog
Hello everyone. I wanted to make a spot, and im sure others have too, where we can voice our concerns and potential solutions to cross play and cross progressions. Hopefully we can keep it about what your concerns are and not issues with other's, cause everyone's voice matters.
Here are my concerns and solutions to each, I play on PS NA for the sake of my point of view.
Economy/traders
One specific concern with this I have is if the platforms merge together a lot of guilds will be left out of ever having the ability of having a trader. Some have stated to do away with the trader system as we have now for a global market, but I feel like the trading system is one of the biggest unique things Eso has. Also a global market will have huge impacts on the economy because of the massive amount of items people will be selling at one specific spot, and its almost an rng roll on whether your items get picked out of the thousands to sell. As it is now if you want to be able to sell more stuff or purchase more at one place, you go to a guild with a convient expensive trader, like Elden Root or Mournhold. If you are looking for a deal you could hunt around the different lower priced out of the way traders, like Lillandril or Morkul Stronghold. This makes the market more dynamic and gives the players freedom to either go with the first they find of an item or look around to try and find a deal. With the lack of guilds having a trader, the prices of them will sky rocket to and astronomical price, putting a lot of smaller guilds out of business.
A solution I've had is to have more traders. So take somewhere like Lillandril. They have 3 traders at the city, the numbers could be tripled for that area since there a 3 platforms coming together. It will give more traders to bid at allowing for more guilds and more selection to be present. It will also give those area more npcs and a more lively market, as now, since there are more traders there, it will give more of a reason for people to go out of their way and shop there. Now im not saying triple all the locations maybe just add a few to the areas that have some, put another in the outlaws refuges, and maybe add some to towns that dont have any like Vulkwasten. This will also give a huge amount of items on the market.
Character/Guild Names
A lot of people have concerns about having to change their name, share names but with numbers at the end, and Guild names to completely change. All of these could change the identity of your character or guilds.
This is the hardest one ive found a solution for but someone made a point I thought was interesting. Instead of just ripping off the band aid and making people change character names or putting a string of numbers at the end, put an identifier for what platform that character was from. So like my character Estel of Gil-Var-Delle was made on Playstation so I own that name on Playstation, put a "#PS" at the end. This would make it to where people wouldn't have to change names and be identified by what platform they were on so they know that Estel#PS is not the same person as Estel#Pc. Also if you owned the name on all platforms then when they merged onto one account you wouldn't have to change their names either on your own account. And this could hidden in certain menus. So like text chat have it or nameplates, but not on character screen or character sheets, since only the player sees that. This could also be done to guilds aswell. Example Guild-Pc, Guild-Ps, or Guild-Xbox. No one would have to worry about changing names or guild's names and maybe the devs could do this on their end more efficiently then us doing it one by one at login or something.
Bank Inventory
Bank inventories being merged would be a hectic thing especially if you have over the amount when all you accounts inventories merge into one.
A solution would be doing something similar to what is already done when you run out of ESO+ with stuff in your craft bag. Allow you to be over the cap but not allow you to put anything in until you get it under cap. Now this would be a pain but its just a solution I've thought of since its already done with the craft bag.
Housing
One thing I thought would be a concern is housing. If people own a house on multiple platforms, example I own Twin-Arches on Xbox and Ps. What happens to the house when the merge happens? I have it decorated one way on Playstation and another on Xbox. What would happen to all the furnishings aswell?
The solution that has come to mind is not great but still one none the less. Allow you to pick which version of the home you want to have or maybe have "house builds". If you were allowed to pick which version you want all your furnishings from the other would aswell go into your bank, would create a lot of inventory management issues. The house builds however would allow you to have your items setup and swappable between looks and items kind of like outfits or builds. This could be cool just as a thing for people who decorate one house for different holidays.
Chests
People have chests on different platforms with different items in each.
The solution could just be as simple as allow more chests, so when the merge happens you just have all the chests with the stuff already in them ready to go. Also since there is so much to collect in this game it would be a nice thing anyways to have more storage at you house.
Player Level
Just something I thought about was how, if you are like me, would your level be affected if you play on multiple platforms?
I think simply taking the highest level account or like somewhat pro rating the levels onto one account. Like if they added all mine I would probably be level 3000 but more experience gain is needed at higher Champion level so just adding them wouldn't be correct imo. So like looking at the percentages of experience needed to level and pro rate them that way, so maybe I'd be level 2500 or something rather then 3000. I definitely have not earned 3000 ranks worth of xp across all platforms lol.
Community
This is less of a concern and more my take on the discussions of difference withing communities.
I have played on all platforms and find that the way people play, talk, and maybe get a little crazy are pretty much all the same. I can go onto the Xbox and feel like im still on Playstation, other then the controller. Most of the people are nice in this community and the ones that might get crazy all have their own spots anyways. I think this is not much of an issue.
Communication/Voice Chat
I was curious if we would have proximity chat on the merged servers since we already have it on console. Would PC players gain it or would consoles lose it in favor of strictly text chat? Also concerns have been made about the issues that console people can't communicate through text chat as fast as on PC.
This is a point that I would like to make about the console players not being able to communicate as quick. WE HAVE KEYBOARDS. I feel like a lot of people on Pc think that we are just screwed for text chat, but in reality we have the ability to use keyboards and type quickly in text chat and use slash commands with the keyboards as well on console. Of course we cant use them as a game pad and play with them, but a lot of us use keyboards, or get told by others to simply plug in a keyboard. Most of the players in my guild have switched to using keyboard for typing. This is a player choice on whether they want to use one on console. Voice chat would be one that I think ZoS should make available for Pc players so everyone can just have another in-game way of communicating.
Closing
These are just some of the thing I could think of as issues and potential solutions. Obviously it is to early to tell if any of this matters, but maybe this and all of your's concerns and solutions can be taken into consideration.
Sorry if anything is misspelled or doesnt flow right. Im on mobile and see this in a very small text box lol.
Here are my concerns and solutions to each, I play on PS NA for the sake of my point of view.
Economy/traders
One specific concern with this I have is if the platforms merge together a lot of guilds will be left out of ever having the ability of having a trader. Some have stated to do away with the trader system as we have now for a global market, but I feel like the trading system is one of the biggest unique things Eso has. Also a global market will have huge impacts on the economy because of the massive amount of items people will be selling at one specific spot, and its almost an rng roll on whether your items get picked out of the thousands to sell. As it is now if you want to be able to sell more stuff or purchase more at one place, you go to a guild with a convient expensive trader, like Elden Root or Mournhold. If you are looking for a deal you could hunt around the different lower priced out of the way traders, like Lillandril or Morkul Stronghold. This makes the market more dynamic and gives the players freedom to either go with the first they find of an item or look around to try and find a deal. With the lack of guilds having a trader, the prices of them will sky rocket to and astronomical price, putting a lot of smaller guilds out of business.
A solution I've had is to have more traders. So take somewhere like Lillandril. They have 3 traders at the city, the numbers could be tripled for that area since there a 3 platforms coming together. It will give more traders to bid at allowing for more guilds and more selection to be present. It will also give those area more npcs and a more lively market, as now, since there are more traders there, it will give more of a reason for people to go out of their way and shop there. Now im not saying triple all the locations maybe just add a few to the areas that have some, put another in the outlaws refuges, and maybe add some to towns that dont have any like Vulkwasten. This will also give a huge amount of items on the market.
Character/Guild Names
A lot of people have concerns about having to change their name, share names but with numbers at the end, and Guild names to completely change. All of these could change the identity of your character or guilds.
This is the hardest one ive found a solution for but someone made a point I thought was interesting. Instead of just ripping off the band aid and making people change character names or putting a string of numbers at the end, put an identifier for what platform that character was from. So like my character Estel of Gil-Var-Delle was made on Playstation so I own that name on Playstation, put a "#PS" at the end. This would make it to where people wouldn't have to change names and be identified by what platform they were on so they know that Estel#PS is not the same person as Estel#Pc. Also if you owned the name on all platforms then when they merged onto one account you wouldn't have to change their names either on your own account. And this could hidden in certain menus. So like text chat have it or nameplates, but not on character screen or character sheets, since only the player sees that. This could also be done to guilds aswell. Example Guild-Pc, Guild-Ps, or Guild-Xbox. No one would have to worry about changing names or guild's names and maybe the devs could do this on their end more efficiently then us doing it one by one at login or something.
Bank Inventory
Bank inventories being merged would be a hectic thing especially if you have over the amount when all you accounts inventories merge into one.
A solution would be doing something similar to what is already done when you run out of ESO+ with stuff in your craft bag. Allow you to be over the cap but not allow you to put anything in until you get it under cap. Now this would be a pain but its just a solution I've thought of since its already done with the craft bag.
Housing
One thing I thought would be a concern is housing. If people own a house on multiple platforms, example I own Twin-Arches on Xbox and Ps. What happens to the house when the merge happens? I have it decorated one way on Playstation and another on Xbox. What would happen to all the furnishings aswell?
The solution that has come to mind is not great but still one none the less. Allow you to pick which version of the home you want to have or maybe have "house builds". If you were allowed to pick which version you want all your furnishings from the other would aswell go into your bank, would create a lot of inventory management issues. The house builds however would allow you to have your items setup and swappable between looks and items kind of like outfits or builds. This could be cool just as a thing for people who decorate one house for different holidays.
Chests
People have chests on different platforms with different items in each.
The solution could just be as simple as allow more chests, so when the merge happens you just have all the chests with the stuff already in them ready to go. Also since there is so much to collect in this game it would be a nice thing anyways to have more storage at you house.
Player Level
Just something I thought about was how, if you are like me, would your level be affected if you play on multiple platforms?
I think simply taking the highest level account or like somewhat pro rating the levels onto one account. Like if they added all mine I would probably be level 3000 but more experience gain is needed at higher Champion level so just adding them wouldn't be correct imo. So like looking at the percentages of experience needed to level and pro rate them that way, so maybe I'd be level 2500 or something rather then 3000. I definitely have not earned 3000 ranks worth of xp across all platforms lol.
Community
This is less of a concern and more my take on the discussions of difference withing communities.
I have played on all platforms and find that the way people play, talk, and maybe get a little crazy are pretty much all the same. I can go onto the Xbox and feel like im still on Playstation, other then the controller. Most of the people are nice in this community and the ones that might get crazy all have their own spots anyways. I think this is not much of an issue.
Communication/Voice Chat
I was curious if we would have proximity chat on the merged servers since we already have it on console. Would PC players gain it or would consoles lose it in favor of strictly text chat? Also concerns have been made about the issues that console people can't communicate through text chat as fast as on PC.
This is a point that I would like to make about the console players not being able to communicate as quick. WE HAVE KEYBOARDS. I feel like a lot of people on Pc think that we are just screwed for text chat, but in reality we have the ability to use keyboards and type quickly in text chat and use slash commands with the keyboards as well on console. Of course we cant use them as a game pad and play with them, but a lot of us use keyboards, or get told by others to simply plug in a keyboard. Most of the players in my guild have switched to using keyboard for typing. This is a player choice on whether they want to use one on console. Voice chat would be one that I think ZoS should make available for Pc players so everyone can just have another in-game way of communicating.
Closing
These are just some of the thing I could think of as issues and potential solutions. Obviously it is to early to tell if any of this matters, but maybe this and all of your's concerns and solutions can be taken into consideration.
Sorry if anything is misspelled or doesnt flow right. Im on mobile and see this in a very small text box lol.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
My group of 4 was too busy to complain on the forum, because we were having a blast in NM. Maybe I will post a more detailed message later, but I just wanted to throw in that a lot of people were having a very good time. You just won't see them on the forum because they are busy trying out new content. I scrolled through some of my guilds and saw that the majority of people were in NM. After the rest of my group went to try out their new mythics I just tagged along with some people without grouping.
I hope ZOS pays more attention to what happens ingame. The forum is not always representative for what people do ingame.
I hope ZOS pays more attention to what happens ingame. The forum is not always representative for what people do ingame.
Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
I play in small groups and solo but even in a small group it's too hard. Im devestated cos i was very excited to progress through the night market
Pcgamer
5
Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
The event really does not give solo players any options to attempt any favor activities... I'm not having any luck grouping up even with 5 guilds. So I will not be playing this event.
Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
I play in small groups and solo but even in a small group it's too hard. Im devestated cos i was very excited to progress through the night market
This is exactly how I feel. If this was going to be vet trial level content they should have described it as that, and not just as "group content". I have a group who can do vet dungeons. I was lolking forward to doing some more zone-like content with them.
We didnt even get to fighting a boss before giving in.
AdamBourke
10
Re: Why not have difficulty levels for night market too, so we can all enjoy our game ?
for over ten years they have been giving you what your asking for while taking what we got one little part of back with this away for us that like a fight where taking damage can kill us not using skills right can kill us i can run naked in all of eso heavy attacking and kill 85 % of everything overland eso puts in one place hard everyone upset wow
heimdall14_9
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Seeing all the feedback on here, reddit and other socials…this will be the true test for ZOS of their new mantra: ‘players! we are listening and acting upon your feedback’
Curious to see what they will communicate after seeing all the feedback and their internal engagement telemetry and retention data after a week.
The only way to fix this quickly is to funnel at least 100 players into an instance before making new ones. This would be fun content if we could zerg and all group up organically like we do with events, Cyro, or in spellscar. But this ain’t it.
Curious to see what they will communicate after seeing all the feedback and their internal engagement telemetry and retention data after a week.
The only way to fix this quickly is to funnel at least 100 players into an instance before making new ones. This would be fun content if we could zerg and all group up organically like we do with events, Cyro, or in spellscar. But this ain’t it.
licenturion
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