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Prionyx wrote: »

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Kleoxcv wrote: »

@Urzigurumash 😂

@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.

They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance

If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?

Because nobody is pureclassed in PvP. But everyone is running Assassination. So we are all NBs in one form or another.

Quite literally everyone has been using assassination since subclassing came out because it is THE strongest active damage line. Surprise attack is the best spammable/stun in the game, merciless is the highest hitting ult in the game EVERY 5s, Incap is strong on its own but literally not necessary to even use because of the other two skills. NB gets its own better executioner with killers blade. The passives are the perfect passives for the current meta since impen is about 1/2 of what it should be for some reason.

I hope when they rework NB, they move surprise attack back to shadow where it is supposed to be. No surprise moving all of NBs damage to one class tree was a bad idea especially with subclassing on the dartboard.

What are you talking about? Everyone were using restoring and storm, these are main lines to which you add grave lord or animal companions, and then choose between aedric spear and assassination. So it's tier 3 skill line basically. Surprise attack was ONLY used in animal+restoring+assassination because this is the only stun it had an access to unless you are a warden, everyone else used BFB, skulls etc. Merciless isn't delayed so it's worst "special' skill among all classes. Incap is the only actually good skill NB has but it's good because of 20% damage increase, while NB on it's own doesn't have any skills to buff with this 20%... Never in your entire life NB will not have a free slot for killer's blade because lack of free slots has been NB's problem for a long time and still is. Stop trying to mislead ZOS and make NB dead because you don't like the class.

Restoring has not been the meta though. The hard meta everyone jokes about because it has been the strongest is assassin+animal+storm. Because these were the three ugly stepchild stam classes zos had ignored for years. To appease the neglected stam builders they shoved all the damage they could into these three lines. As a 12 year stamsorc main, I dropped daedric and dark magic without a second thought because they were useless and 90% of stamsorc's kit is in storm. Same goes for Assassination......same goes for Animal.

The top two specs were either that or you would substitute out assassination surprise attack for aedric spear onslaught setup Pelican made popular. Which was basically the same principle but was more geared for dueling and 1vX as impossible to survive damage.

I am not sure who is telling you restoring is meta, but you need to stop listening to them.

Merciless not being delayed honestly makes it stronger because you can guarantee the hit every time due to how offbalance works. The offbalance stun HAS NO ANIMATION and can be triggered off GCD with the medium attack into the now undodgeable merciless. Not to mention the delayed burst skills like curse has a damage coefficient of 1.3558x where merciless has a damage coefficient of 2.1476x......... which means merciless has 58.45% more burst. Even deep fissure the second most used burst skill behind merciless only has a coefficient of 1.627x

Merciless is absurdly out of control and overly used. (ignoring DK meta because its the only thing reworked)

You couldn't play proprely without restoring or storm, these were 2 most common lines. I don't need to "listen" to anyone to see what is meta, your rules don't apply to other people. Having one of this skill lines were mandatory, not having assassination. Having animal or gravelord was mandatory. Because all of the good skills are there. There are no good skills in assassination, just passives and stats for other lines, that's why it was often replaced with aedric spear. I probably shouldn't even bother reading your text after you said that merciless not being delayed makes it stronger because it clearly indicated that you are new to pvp. It makes it worst special skill by far because you can't use it in burst, so it's just a pressure tool. It's miles worse than BB or shalks. There is a long CD for off banalce and everyone have endless sustain nowadays, everyone blockweaves and if anything you can bluntly hold block for 7 second once you get off balanced, and NB won't be able to do anything. Of course it deals more damage than other burst skills, because other skills deal way more damage combined with spammable and ulti, they deal like 2.5x more damage combined than merciless, since you can't put merciless in any combo. Merciless is underwhelming and needs a rework or massive buffs to other NB's skills or stats

Prionyx wrote: »

Kleoxcv wrote: »

Prionyx wrote: »

Kleoxcv wrote: »

One thing I don’t see people complaining about with NB is how squishy it is. It’s the main reason I don’t like playing (I hate clutching on invisibility). That’s the real problem with NB, it has never been a lack of damage. Stop trying to mislead people.

NB needs an actual skill that applied major resolve and through passive. When I’m on a NB I always forget proccing it.

Then for the God's sake tell us what makes NB's damage good. I've asked this multiple times, why didn't you answer? Because it's obviously bad, there is nothing that would reinforce your statement because it's just simply wrong, you just always change subjest or reply "no it's good". I've texted multiple arguments and reasons why NB's damage is poor and all you do is say "no it's good". You just want class you don't like nerfed. It's probably because you just don't read my messeges considering you said that nobody talks about NB survivability when it was literally the first thing I mentioned in my original post.

Also NB doesn't need any skill to proc resolve, it's automatically uptimed with path and NB really needs that because of the lack of slots since NB skills mostly just give you 1 thing. Your sustain skill is just a sustain skill, your brutality skill is just a brutality skill, your special damage skill is just a damage skill etc. For example warden's sustain skill also gives brutality and warden's special damage skill also applies major AND minor breach

I prefer race against time when I’m on a NB for minor force. So it doesn’t really help. NB needs a dedicated skill for major resolve

“What makes a NB damage good?” Seriously? Second best spammable (after DK), high crit chance, high crit damage, best execute (Jesus beam is ahh now), element of surprise (with invisibility), second best burst damage after DK if not the best burst, need I say more?…

I say it again

One thing I don’t see people complaining about with NB is how squishy it is. It’s the main reason I don’t like playing (I hate clutching on invisibility). That’s the real problem with NB, it has never been a lack of damage. Stop trying to mislead people.

Yeah you need to say more because nothing you said makes sence

"Second best spammable" - no it's not, DK's and necro's spammable are better, BFB(universal spammale btw) is better. Nothing makes it special it's avg dmg and just applies minor breach and off balance

"high crit chance" - yes but no good skills to crit with

"high crit damage" - no. It's just 10% passive, DK's, arcanist's, templar's and warden's passive grant more crit damage

"best execute" - first - no it's not, and second there is no way you can slot it because NB heavily lacks free skill slots, it's impossible to keep other important things and slot execute at the same time

"element of surprise" is this a joke? NB is the most predictable class possible, there is no element of surprise whatsoever and out of invisibility you can't possibly deal enough damage to kill someone properly geared unless you have a full gank build

"second best burst damage after DK if not the best burst" - this is a straight up lie, I explained why it is multiple times but even there you don't say how come NB has some sort of "burst". You just say it does but it doesn't, I proved and explained why but you refuse to read my messages and just say "no it's good". WHAT burst does NB have? Tell us. How can NB BURST someone? Let's make a simulation: I just stand doing nothing and you are NB. What will you press to "burst" me?