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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
The reworked classes are the new standard. New WW is on par with New DK in PvP. Sorc was buffed in PvP by a lot. Yes it sucks to wait for the others but it seems like it will be worth it.Militan1404 wrote: »Might have missed something but dk was already the strongest class before the pyrebrand buff.
Well they havent done a good job with the new standard at all and its better to stop now then wait for them to do all the classes, they just took some of dk skills and buffed them to the moon while others where untouched, so you could say the dk aint balanced within itself even. Then you have all the power creep the class is adding right now both pve and pvp, they have to balance the entire game centering around the DK instead of balance the dk to fit the game. The two hander was also just reworked and shouldnt it also be following this new standard then? Becouse they are not even close.
Re: You've nerfed the worst class in this PTS
One thing I don’t see people complaining about with NB is how squishy it is. It’s the main reason I don’t like playing (I hate clutching on invisibility). That’s the real problem with NB, it has never been a lack of damage. Stop trying to mislead people.
NB needs an actual skill that applied major resolve and through passive. When I’m on a NB I always forget proccing it.
NB needs an actual skill that applied major resolve and through passive. When I’m on a NB I always forget proccing it.
Kleoxcv
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Conservation of Energy
This passive by itself is objectively stronger than running both wretched vitality and max stack roksa together, 2 of the best sustain sets in the game. Max stack roksa + wretched vitality gives 630 magicka and stamina recovery. This passive, on a really unoptomized build with 35k stamina and 20k magicka gives 700 stamina and 400 magicka which is equal to 1400 stam sustain and 800 magicka sustain or an average 1100 sustain.
This much sustain should be ok in solo but it's a little too much value in pvp. Please consider putting a cap of 500 maximum magicka and stamina on it with battle spirit active. And please adjust the healing recieved with Blood Magic while this passive is taken to maximum 1500 hp with battle spirit active as its also providing too much value. This would reign in some of its power while still being incredibly strong.
Alternatively, put a 3 second cool down on the passive with battle spirit active
I'm sorry but no. The sustain is strong but it's only sustain. Sorc skills are extremely under-performing. The trade off for high sustain is poor skills, especially in PvP.
The lions share of Sorc skills are no competition in PvP. Sorcs have more sustain with these passives but the healing factor isn't strong enough to mitigate the degree of continuous power creep we're seeing amongst DK and WW nor subclass builds with persistent crit. The resource recovery is strong, but again, those resources are going toward skills that just don't measure up right now.
A pure Sorc build in PvP is getting a stronger sustain but in order to get it has to give up the massively beneficial subclassed skills in order to do it, cutting Sorc power output by huge amounts.
Sorc is more than doing fine in pvp currently in PTS. I am looking forward to playing the builds i tested in pts when signet drops tomorrow & class masteries hit live later on. I am not looking forward to only seeing Dk's and sorcs in pvp
Also even a badly made pure class sorc currently in PTS is vastly stronger and more viable than any subclassed Sorc build as you well know...
No, it's not, I'm sorry I very much disagree. I'm on PTS currently. I'm not talking dummy parsing, I mean genuine PvP combat.
Perhaps Stam Sorc is holding their own but Mag Sorc is absolutely not. Stam Sorc is night & day different from Mag Sorc and in PvP Stam based anything is more viable; albeit that shouldn't be the case.
My subclassed Mag Sorc was light years stronger than pure Mag Sorc even with these passives.
The burst delivery simply isn't in our skill kit and the skills we do have are either too slow or mechanically lacking compared to what other pure classes have.
You have a black gem monstrosity off meta build going on with the void damage set if i remember correctly. I think you are using shocking soul with class mastery, try shattered path signet and if you havent switched to it try switching to bound armaments. Use a charged LS, and try switching to shattered path signet + draugrkin. They buffed bound armament to have a higher proc chance for sundered and can proc it up to 4 times a few months back which synergizes well with signet, wield soul with class mastery can proc concussion twice per cast (which is still worse than crushing shock which can proc 3 status effects) and draugrkin synergizes well with signet because its damage is further boosted by 85% when procced by a status effect. Magsorc isnt too bad in pts. Worse than stamsorcs i agree but deals so much more damage than subclassed versions.
Your suggestion to run Singlet + Draugrkin is a good one but it wouldn't work well for me. Singlet would also discourage Ult use which I use to synergize with BGM as a low resource cost LA power buff.
I do have BGM (which I only use for PvP) but I'm not running a void damage set, my Shocking Soul scribe does deal Oblivion Damage, I'm not using the Class script on Weld Soul as the Class script for Sorc is poor, the non-pet damage is low and easily mitigated in PvP whereas Oblivion cannot be, or cleansed.
I already use a LS. I like Bound Armament but IMO it's more viable for Stam Sorc, especially if they're dual wield or if the Sorc is a HA based build. But even still, an HA attack isn't really viable in PvP unless they're going to be carried by a squad. If I were going to go the route of slotting an attack-based stacked skill then I'd have to take Merciless, that's a no brainer; scales higher, performs quicker, and casts off Mag.
My subclassed Mag Sorc slots Storm Calling, Aedric Spear, & Herald of the Tome.
Skills like Topping Charge can beat out Streak because it doesn't have a progressive pool cost, has a longer range, plus grants Major Protection; all while scaling to more damage than Streak. Sure Streak is un-blockable but there's so much immunity in PvP now that it reduces that prospect of streak in favor for a skill that has better follow up potential.
The combination of Balanced Warrior + Harnessed Quintessence + Tentacular nets roughly a 17% increase to W/S damage. Compare that to the 20% I get from Font of Power and it's easy to see why the subclass is better; access to faster and better skills than Sorcs that all synergize better for only a slightly less buff to W/S damage than Font.
My Subclassed Mag Sorc can stack consistently 5 instances of burst per every GCD attack I cast, plus two persistent DoTs, that's something Sorc skills lines just can't deliver. Crystal Weapon, Bound Armaments, Streak, Wrath; all are insanely slow to execute their function compared to like-skills in other classes. Curse doesn't tick per second so I'm not getting those persistent damage application there either.
Bound Armaments is probably the only skill I'd consider taking back, even as a Mag Sorc, but in order to do so I'd have to give up either Aedric or Herald and both of those deliver more power & utility than Daedric Summoning does.
My subclassed Sorc in current game U49 absolutely decimates other Mag Sorcs in PvP, in fact, outside of PTS my Mag Sorc build will run just under meta in PvP in terms of results (BG & IC); I have clips of my build 2 shotting a full health players in BGs due to stacking burst instances.
Pure Mag Sorcs cannot compete with subclassed builds in PvP. Pure Stam Sorcs can, but not Mag; the skills are just too weak.
For Mag Sorcs we have to rely too heavily on status chance, set procs, and/or World & Weapon skill trees to kit out anything remotely useful without Subclassing. Pure Mag Sorc is horrible in PTS right now, yes, they can parse on a dummy, and are fine in PvE but not in PvP. Mag Sorcs have solid sustain in PTS but for all intents & purposes the only pure classes really running in PvP right now are DKs and Mag Sorcs don't have anywhere near that kind of power. After U50 goes live expect everyone & their brother to run WW.
My issue isn't with my subclassed Mag Sorc, I've got plenty of content that supports that build. My issue is with Pure Mag Sorc having to slot skills that are not competitive just to get access to passives, which has 1 solid and 4 weak options.
NxJoeyD
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
The 1 second berserker bleed after a 1 second delay and 10% damage after battlespirit are both nerfs compared to the live version of werewolf and it feels very bad. This is supposed to be a big refresh to make people want to play it again in pvp right? I don't mind the nerfs to other things so much as long as we still have access to class masteries, but making something WORSE than the current werewolf just feels awful.
I do think these nerfs were a bit too heavy handed and all you've done is force every werewolf to play sorc if they want to be competitive since they have the best passives. Two passives in particular that were enabling the strong duel setup you saw during week 1 of pts. I'd have much rather seen the class masteries be disabled in form, but leave the actual werewolf toolkit alone.
I do think these nerfs were a bit too heavy handed and all you've done is force every werewolf to play sorc if they want to be competitive since they have the best passives. Two passives in particular that were enabling the strong duel setup you saw during week 1 of pts. I'd have much rather seen the class masteries be disabled in form, but leave the actual werewolf toolkit alone.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Conservation of Energy
This passive by itself is objectively stronger than running both wretched vitality and max stack roksa together, 2 of the best sustain sets in the game. Max stack roksa + wretched vitality gives 630 magicka and stamina recovery. This passive, on a really unoptomized build with 35k stamina and 20k magicka gives 700 stamina and 400 magicka which is equal to 1400 stam sustain and 800 magicka sustain or an average 1100 sustain.
This much sustain should be ok in solo but it's a little too much value in pvp. Please consider putting a cap of 500 maximum magicka and stamina on it with battle spirit active. And please adjust the healing recieved with Blood Magic while this passive is taken to maximum 1500 hp with battle spirit active as its also providing too much value. This would reign in some of its power while still being incredibly strong.
Alternatively, put a 3 second cool down on the passive with battle spirit active
I'm sorry but no. The sustain is strong but it's only sustain. Sorc skills are extremely under-performing. The trade off for high sustain is poor skills, especially in PvP.
The lions share of Sorc skills are no competition in PvP. Sorcs have more sustain with these passives but the healing factor isn't strong enough to mitigate the degree of continuous power creep we're seeing amongst DK and WW nor subclass builds with persistent crit. The resource recovery is strong, but again, those resources are going toward skills that just don't measure up right now.
A pure Sorc build in PvP is getting a stronger sustain but in order to get it has to give up the massively beneficial subclassed skills in order to do it, cutting Sorc power output by huge amounts.
Sorc is more than doing fine in pvp currently in PTS. I am looking forward to playing the builds i tested in pts when signet drops tomorrow & class masteries hit live later on. I am not looking forward to only seeing Dk's and sorcs in pvp
Also even a badly made pure class sorc currently in PTS is vastly stronger and more viable than any subclassed Sorc build as you well know...
No, it's not, I'm sorry I very much disagree. I'm on PTS currently. I'm not talking dummy parsing, I mean genuine PvP combat.
Perhaps Stam Sorc is holding their own but Mag Sorc is absolutely not. Stam Sorc is night & day different from Mag Sorc and in PvP Stam based anything is more viable; albeit that shouldn't be the case.
My subclassed Mag Sorc was light years stronger than pure Mag Sorc even with these passives.
The burst delivery simply isn't in our skill kit and the skills we do have are either too slow or mechanically lacking compared to what other pure classes have.
NxJoeyD
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Re: SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
Major_Mangle wrote: »DeathandDebauchery wrote: »What a new type of player really needs, is a better community, and a better outlook on their community.
That's just bad game design in a nutshell. That approach is fine for extremely niche content (like Trifectas) but that mindset is terrible for something you can do at level 10. This is peak PvP player privilege and exactly why Vengeance needs to exist.
Literally the most fundamental concept of an MMO is to interact with other players. It's how I learned, by talking and playing with others. As I continued to play PvP I came in contact with more and more players, I started to try new type of "playstyles" (BGs, small-scale, ballgroup etc etc) and learned more and improved the way I PvP. Literally every single time I felt I got better at PvP was because I interacted and talked to other people who knew more than me.
It's not bad design because you might dislike it, that's not how that definition works.
Sneak is 100% correct that the absence of community teaching people is astonishing these days. They exist sure, but not to the same extent they did in the earlier days of ESO.
why should i help someone when the second sentence is i dont change my build. I copy and paste it from YT it is a good build...you hear this 2-3 times and then give up and dont help anymore.
It’s not for everyone. I rarely group up with anyone anymore. But, back when I had hours and hours to play, there were several people in my PvP guild who would break out and start a Zerg group from ZC, if we were pushing emp or had a lot of people on, we’d simple start another group and pick up randos to basically be the auxiliary group and the death squad would come swoop in. It was highly effective and we taught a lot of people the ins and outs of Cyro by doing this. It was also fun to be in some rag tag group of instigators knowing big bro was coming to the fight. Frankly speaking, ZOS creating such bad imbalance is what has pushed the community further from this, picking up a random 5 years ago wasn’t as big of a liability as it is now. It’s no players fault, it’s a scenario created by the devs repeated bad decisions. The hope here, is that the refreshes will balance some things out. They still need to address certain sets and things like Charm but tbh if the refreshes create some form of balance the liability of creating a pug shrinks. Which is good for everyone.
Vengeance doesn’t get any of these updates, it’ll likely be more of a (class) meta dominated camp than GH when it’s all said and done.
SneaK
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Re: SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
moderatelyfatman wrote: »@xylSurprise, I finally could enjoy PVP again. No bombers, no unkillable tower runners, no ball groups, no "let the set do all the work" less lag/loading screens (there was both in big fights but it was okay compared to the old mode). Finally some action with big sieges, long def fights and at least on my campaign no clear wipe - even if reds dominated.
I do understand PVP players missing the challenge. I understand that they prefer the old mode. Many of them do like long tower fights and crazy burst combos killing noobs instantly, apparently.
From my perspective Cyrodiil was just toxic for mediocre people like me. You spend more time waiting for being resurrected or riding back to the fight than actually fighting. And you are often killed by some ganker on your way there. It's just frustrating. You go from noob campaign to pro or empty map. No mid game.
Just imagine PVE being story mode and then god-slayer or worse. Who would play the game? This is how PVP felt for me. So I dropped it outside of events. Which, if you believe zone chat, pros didn't like as noobs took up all the spots within the campaigns disrupting strategy, ...
This mode solves this issue. People who don't want to join the big guys, can play Vengeance. [Wannabe] Pros can join classic mode. I would appreciate having both modes so pros don't get bored. I don't want their fun being taken by my wishes. But being told that "people don't like vengeance" seems to be a very self-centered view of things, to say the least.
I don't think the issue here is Vengeance itself: I think it would be a great idea to have a permanent Vengeance for newer and casual PvPers to cut their teeth with an eye on something bigger (Grey Host and Blackreach).
What most people object to is ZOS treating this like a zero sum game: Vengeance or regular Cyrodiil. Not letting players access the latter smacks of the devs insecurity because they don't want people making side by side comparisons on the popularity of both modes.
Add to this that regular Cyrodiil has apparently gone into Maintenance Mode with no meaningful changes in the last year since Vengeance began, and you have a very unhappy playerbase.
THIS.
Vengence is the perfect mode for casuals/entry PvPers but your core audience of PvPers won't fill this campaign so you'll still be left with an emptyish secondary camp with long queues in GH.
Which brings me to this question - what did we really achieve in all the years of tests/dev effort? We are still back where we started... GH being the main campaign for the core PvP audience, massive queues, performance issues, ball group complains, and secondary camps that are ghost towns.
Now what...?
LadyGP
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Re: Best ESO stories since 2022
I know there have been threads occasionally over the years asking people which ESO chapter/dlc or chapter/dlc main storyline they liked best. Usually, most people choose Wrothgar, the Morrowind-CWC-Summerset story arc or Elsweyr, with a few outliers.
Which made me wonder: Which stories/quests of the later years were actually well-received, if at all? Not only main questlines, but also side quests, companion questlines, etc.
So: What were your favorites from the last few releases (High Isle, Necrom, Gold Road, Solstice)?
I, personally, found Zerith-var's story outstanding, and also loved Corelanya Manor on Solstice and Tel Dreloth on Telvanni Peninsula (design-wise, I actually also enjoyed the Aldwilne Citadel quest on Solstice, but lore-wise, it left quite a few questions).
Honestly, I think post 2021 is a relative wasteland compared to what went before it (at least regarding the Chapters).
Finishing to solo quest and moving onto the small scale political intrigue is Orsinium was a good way to centre the player after saving the world. Then they were brought to Morrowind, got to meet Vivec and got to involve in a major (but not world ending) event. Follow this by the small yet truly deep Clockwork city and finally ending in Summerset.
That was the best multi-year story arc that built up with each expansion before delivering in spades. Nothing since comes close in my opinion although as self contained chapters, Elswher and Greymoor were very enjoyable.
Re: PC Community Concerns About Cross Play
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What?! Someone admits to a mistake instead of doubling down? On the internet?! Kudos.
I tip my invisible fedora to you, good sir.
twisttop138 wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »twisttop138 wrote: »I personally know a lot of console players who are really good therefore all console players are really good, and my opinion on this is obviously correct and not at all biased by my personal experience.
How does that not go in any direction? That applies to all platforms, all anyone can go off of is their own personal experience.
That was the point of the comment.
Woooosh lol. I can't even blame it on not having coffee, I've been at work for hours already.
What?! Someone admits to a mistake instead of doubling down? On the internet?! Kudos.
I tip my invisible fedora to you, good sir.
Re: Suggestion for sorcerer dark magic skill line change in update 50
Zodiarkslayer wrote: »Reworking Dark Magic into Alteration can solve some ideosyncrasies within the class. But the core issue needs to be addressed and that is the overabundance of near unusable skills in the entire class.
Sorcerers are in a weird position where they only slot two or three class skills in PvE and maybe five in PvP (I am not an expert on that), but they get an enormous power level comparatively. Dark Exchange is the only useful skill in the line and all passives are either too weak, ineffective or redundant in group play.
My point is: Scrap Dark Magic, create something new!
Another thing for me was that having pets became very annoying very fast. For most decent builds you either have a demon chimp or "FLAP FLAP FLAP FLAP" following you around 100% of the time. I'd prefer petless sorc be more viable. For solo fun play I just subclass DS out entirely.