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Re: Skill-Based Combat is Back: Why the Night Market is the Ultimate "Mistake Check" for solo players
DenverRalphy wrote: »This is probably the best "Git Gud" post I've seen on this forum in a long time. And without actually saying it.
... and I love it!
Personally, I’d rather spend 3 hours a day on this event than 10 minutes mindlessly clicking through tasks that do nothing but waste your time. Here at least I actually have fun fighting or being clever! For me, this event is a solid 10/10.
Mayrael
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Re: Night Market Haikus (5 syllables, 7 syllables, 5 syllables)
Nemesis7884 wrote: »[snip]
Role players are certainly a different breed. They're usually the ones complaining about immersion or mounts being too flashy.
On topic:
Just play something else
Or do many crafting writs
Night market go brrrr
Fin.
[edited to remove quote]
Re: A Consideration of Empathy (Night Market)
i agree! Accessibility is important and options for more people would be very helpful.
Trash enemies being so challenging is not fun.
i wish that with Challenge Difficulty being added to Overland we could get a similar thing for Night Market, with lower difficulties instead of higher.
Hoping ZOS might do something like that at least when Night Market returns in Season 2.
it would only affect people who choose to use it, just like Update 50's Challenge Difficulty, especially with how few people i see in the Market.
Another thing that could be helpful is increasing the Bestial Transformation synergy locations and respawn time?
i am not entirely sure how many there are or how they spawn, but i saw 2 yesterday and they do make combat less frustrating for a minute or two.
Fine, but then you should also get less rewards. You do not get to do it on easy mode and then get all the same rewards.
what rewards?
the Weak Enemies give nothing for hours.
edited to add:
Why not address any specific part of my post?
Additionally,
Last night i went through the Parch and Skittering Precinct with a few groups, it went mostly well (because i am a well experienced healer).
I solo when i do not have energy for groups, but i do use the Group Finder when i want to and can.
i think even groups can benefit from optional buffs.
I do think an Easy or Normal mode should get the same rewards, difficulty modes are accessibility options. And the rewards are very very sparse.
- item sets i already have from base game, the quality varies so it is not as if it is always Purple/Epic to be equal to a Veteran mode.
- Splinters are guaranteed from the relevant bosses, but not from the Weak Enemies (can take hours or days).
- Leads are as always not guaranteed from anything and could take days or weeks for some people.
- i do not care about the old crafting materials or treasures.
Plus note that i suggested something similar to Challenge Difficulty which would only buff you if ZOS added it for Night Market, if you choose to use it.
And asked for an increase of an existing feature in the Market, the Bestial Transformation which turns you into a Werewolf Behemoth.
Re: Night Market: Getting started and basics
Thank you so much for the great guide. Have you found the scavenger quest in the parch? I spent hours looking and no luck
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
I've given it a go. I've played a little solo, played some more in large groups. I've completed the starter quests, and few dailies, and tried to be open-minded.
Here's my feedback:
1. Elder Scrolls is about the stories, the rich lore that transcends any single game - the lore that was generally deeply entrenched in Chapters and DLCs. That in mind, I just don't get the point or purpose of Night Market. It's a lot of running around, but for no apparent reason. There's no story. There's zero that compliments ES lore. What relevance does this "event" have? I could have been playing any one of a thousand other games. So, in terms of lore friendliness and purpose, it gets a 1/10 from me. This isn't Elder Scrolls.
2. The difficulty is set too high, and I can't work out why that is, either. It's not a little too high - it's far too high. Most players with a friend or two are going to struggle to complete very much at all. They're going to need the largest groups the game will allow, which isn't what a lot of people want. Interestingly, it's not "hard" because the mechanics are hard - it's just a load of boring trash mobs that have been juicing on steroids. It seems to be aimed exclusively at the small-but-loud extreme DPS brigade. OK, great, but that's just not me. I don't think that's more than a tiny percentage of the game population. So for playability it gets another 1/10.
3. Rewards.... I honestly despair. More of the same-old-same-old. Yet more currencies (it's getting ridiculous now). So few items that are interesting or new (especially if you've played this game as long as I have), it's almost depressing. I'll give it another 1/10 - and that's generous.
To summarise, as "new content" goes I think this was a hugely misjudged fail - which after last year's failed Seasons launch is unforgivable. This isn't what Elder Scrolls is about. Right now, ZoS is tragically failing as the custodian of this franchise. I'm not convinced there's anyone left who understands the franchise at all.
Here's my feedback:
1. Elder Scrolls is about the stories, the rich lore that transcends any single game - the lore that was generally deeply entrenched in Chapters and DLCs. That in mind, I just don't get the point or purpose of Night Market. It's a lot of running around, but for no apparent reason. There's no story. There's zero that compliments ES lore. What relevance does this "event" have? I could have been playing any one of a thousand other games. So, in terms of lore friendliness and purpose, it gets a 1/10 from me. This isn't Elder Scrolls.
2. The difficulty is set too high, and I can't work out why that is, either. It's not a little too high - it's far too high. Most players with a friend or two are going to struggle to complete very much at all. They're going to need the largest groups the game will allow, which isn't what a lot of people want. Interestingly, it's not "hard" because the mechanics are hard - it's just a load of boring trash mobs that have been juicing on steroids. It seems to be aimed exclusively at the small-but-loud extreme DPS brigade. OK, great, but that's just not me. I don't think that's more than a tiny percentage of the game population. So for playability it gets another 1/10.
3. Rewards.... I honestly despair. More of the same-old-same-old. Yet more currencies (it's getting ridiculous now). So few items that are interesting or new (especially if you've played this game as long as I have), it's almost depressing. I'll give it another 1/10 - and that's generous.
To summarise, as "new content" goes I think this was a hugely misjudged fail - which after last year's failed Seasons launch is unforgivable. This isn't what Elder Scrolls is about. Right now, ZoS is tragically failing as the custodian of this franchise. I'm not convinced there's anyone left who understands the franchise at all.
agelonestar
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
16 pages of feedback in a couple of days is quite a lot! Not sure if any additional feedback would be useful at this point, but for what it's worth, here's my feedback on the experience:
I don't mind the difficulty level! No I can't solo even trash pulls (though I probably can adjust my build to do so), but I get this isn't a solo region and that's fine. Grouping via GF event zone is easy enough as long as you're close to prime time. I like that ZOS is trying new things. To me it seems they were going for an experience close to a public dungeon but with the difficulty of a trial. In principle they thought one can tag along other players in your instance without pre-made groups. In practice that doesn't work and you really have to pre-made if you want to do anything. Also this ends up not really being a group zone, but rather a Zerg zone. You'll end up with 12 people, hopefully including a tank and everything will just melt while performance becomes dreadful till the big bad dies. Not much room for mechs or coordination. But that's fine since I think it's supposed to be more like a public dungeon than a trial.
I think the difficulty and design is fine as long as it's still easy to find groups through GF. The moment this becomes tricky is the moment this content dies for me. I also like that you can get trial gear (rarely), among the tons of redundant plague doctor and mother sorrow drops that I completed years ago.
What I really didn't like are 2 things: how confusing progress is, and everything about quests:
Quests: honestly I think everything that can go wrong here, did go wrong. First, this is NOT a questing and exploration zone. It's a zone where you follow the Zerg or die in seconds. Some of the ones from the faction leader are fine (namely the kill brazen, argent, or skirmish ones) since they fit within the Zerg run objectives. The daring races one and the puzzles one are tricky but fine, I'll only do them till I finally get the splinter drops. But the district quests are horrible and essentially ragebaits a few reasons: terrible quest marker, hard to find the objectives, not shareable, no reward to speak of (it was only on the forum that I learned they won't drop the splinters), and most importantly the district is a Zerg surfing region, I can't just leave the Zerg and try to look for dead bodies next to mobs or posters on a wall. Again this is not a region that I can explore in my own time and move as I will. After learning it's only the starlit plaza quests that matter I was so glad not having to bother with district quests ever again!
Confusion: by the tribune is progress in this region confusing! I spent most of my first day trying to google things or search on the forum what do I need to do and collect because the game just won't tell me anything. Well the dremora quest giver did say there's a hierarchy of 4 bosses but that's about it. I figured there's a trial and dungeons and you need to collect things to access them. Something mentioned a key, or is it a relic? Are they the same? I'm getting drops from bosses but they're neither keys nor relics, they're splinters! Ok with enough splinters I'll get keys maybe. I used like 15 or 20 splinters but no keys formed out of that! How many am I missing and which ones? Oh I can press f5 and it tells me things! Oh ok I have the keys already, they're 'unlocked' already rather than 'dropped' so they won't appear in my inventory. Ok let's google a bit and go on the forum. Right so there's still the relics to access the dungeons and they also unlock the wings of the house I just got and also let me access the sandy doors and other bits in the districts, so they're quite important. Good news I only need to grind them once, whereas the keys I need to get every time I do the dungeons. Ok how do I find what splinters I'm missing and where to get in order to complete the relics?!! Surely zos provided a way to track progress!! Oh it's through the achievements (really zos!!). Okay now I get it, it only took 5 hours of gaming while being utterly confused and a few trips to the forum. All I need now is to get the missing splinters from the dailies!
I don't mind the difficulty level! No I can't solo even trash pulls (though I probably can adjust my build to do so), but I get this isn't a solo region and that's fine. Grouping via GF event zone is easy enough as long as you're close to prime time. I like that ZOS is trying new things. To me it seems they were going for an experience close to a public dungeon but with the difficulty of a trial. In principle they thought one can tag along other players in your instance without pre-made groups. In practice that doesn't work and you really have to pre-made if you want to do anything. Also this ends up not really being a group zone, but rather a Zerg zone. You'll end up with 12 people, hopefully including a tank and everything will just melt while performance becomes dreadful till the big bad dies. Not much room for mechs or coordination. But that's fine since I think it's supposed to be more like a public dungeon than a trial.
I think the difficulty and design is fine as long as it's still easy to find groups through GF. The moment this becomes tricky is the moment this content dies for me. I also like that you can get trial gear (rarely), among the tons of redundant plague doctor and mother sorrow drops that I completed years ago.
What I really didn't like are 2 things: how confusing progress is, and everything about quests:
Quests: honestly I think everything that can go wrong here, did go wrong. First, this is NOT a questing and exploration zone. It's a zone where you follow the Zerg or die in seconds. Some of the ones from the faction leader are fine (namely the kill brazen, argent, or skirmish ones) since they fit within the Zerg run objectives. The daring races one and the puzzles one are tricky but fine, I'll only do them till I finally get the splinter drops. But the district quests are horrible and essentially ragebaits a few reasons: terrible quest marker, hard to find the objectives, not shareable, no reward to speak of (it was only on the forum that I learned they won't drop the splinters), and most importantly the district is a Zerg surfing region, I can't just leave the Zerg and try to look for dead bodies next to mobs or posters on a wall. Again this is not a region that I can explore in my own time and move as I will. After learning it's only the starlit plaza quests that matter I was so glad not having to bother with district quests ever again!
Confusion: by the tribune is progress in this region confusing! I spent most of my first day trying to google things or search on the forum what do I need to do and collect because the game just won't tell me anything. Well the dremora quest giver did say there's a hierarchy of 4 bosses but that's about it. I figured there's a trial and dungeons and you need to collect things to access them. Something mentioned a key, or is it a relic? Are they the same? I'm getting drops from bosses but they're neither keys nor relics, they're splinters! Ok with enough splinters I'll get keys maybe. I used like 15 or 20 splinters but no keys formed out of that! How many am I missing and which ones? Oh I can press f5 and it tells me things! Oh ok I have the keys already, they're 'unlocked' already rather than 'dropped' so they won't appear in my inventory. Ok let's google a bit and go on the forum. Right so there's still the relics to access the dungeons and they also unlock the wings of the house I just got and also let me access the sandy doors and other bits in the districts, so they're quite important. Good news I only need to grind them once, whereas the keys I need to get every time I do the dungeons. Ok how do I find what splinters I'm missing and where to get in order to complete the relics?!! Surely zos provided a way to track progress!! Oh it's through the achievements (really zos!!). Okay now I get it, it only took 5 hours of gaming while being utterly confused and a few trips to the forum. All I need now is to get the missing splinters from the dailies!
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
There is no fun if you don‘t have a large group. And those missive quests? You stumble upon them or you miss them. And you can‘t complete them if your team goes elsewhere.
This is chaotic.
And how do you even complete the events at the wells? They don‘t end ever…
Yup and on PlayStation finding a group is close to impossible cause no one is really playing the event.
To make it worse season zero is free but will charge us in future seasons. Imagine paying for this content lol and eventually we will have to since they are bringing it back so people can join other factions.
If there is no improvements during this season and soon a lot of us will not be purchasing season 1
nb_rich
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Re: Daring Races on the Night Market?
Are you talking about the "Swift and Fleet" faction daily quest, or whatever it's called?
If that's the one you mean, I ended up abandoning it because it was too confusing, but my assumptions were that you have to do a "race" in each district, where the "race" is a race against time to complete a specific task in a very short span of time.
In the Skittering District, you must interact with a brazier(?) to collect a fire essence, then quickly run to one of the outlined spider nests(?) to burn it before the fire essence dissipates. I think it lasts for maybe 11 or 12 seconds-- at least, my character sheet said the associated active effect was counting down from 11 seconds when I checked it, but it took me a second or more to pull it up my character sheet to check it after I had collected the fire essence. What I couldn't figure out was whether I had to go around the entire district doing this, or do it a certain number of times, or what, because only 1 brazier was marked on the map, although that may have just been the brazier you need to start with. I could successfully burn 1 nest before the time ran out, but if there were more braziers in other places then the map never updated to show where the next one was, and if you just need to do it once in each district then the quest journal entry never updated to indicate that I successfully finished the race in that district.
I forget what I was supposed to do in the Parch, but I believe I successfully did it at least one time, except the map and quest journal never updated to indicate that I'd been successful.
And in the third district, it said I was supposed to close the Void rifts or whatever-- but, again, I never got any updates on the map or in the quest journal, and if I was supposed to run around the entire district closing Voids then I wasn't able to get from one to another without getting killed.
If that's the one you mean, I ended up abandoning it because it was too confusing, but my assumptions were that you have to do a "race" in each district, where the "race" is a race against time to complete a specific task in a very short span of time.
In the Skittering District, you must interact with a brazier(?) to collect a fire essence, then quickly run to one of the outlined spider nests(?) to burn it before the fire essence dissipates. I think it lasts for maybe 11 or 12 seconds-- at least, my character sheet said the associated active effect was counting down from 11 seconds when I checked it, but it took me a second or more to pull it up my character sheet to check it after I had collected the fire essence. What I couldn't figure out was whether I had to go around the entire district doing this, or do it a certain number of times, or what, because only 1 brazier was marked on the map, although that may have just been the brazier you need to start with. I could successfully burn 1 nest before the time ran out, but if there were more braziers in other places then the map never updated to show where the next one was, and if you just need to do it once in each district then the quest journal entry never updated to indicate that I successfully finished the race in that district.
I forget what I was supposed to do in the Parch, but I believe I successfully did it at least one time, except the map and quest journal never updated to indicate that I'd been successful.
And in the third district, it said I was supposed to close the Void rifts or whatever-- but, again, I never got any updates on the map or in the quest journal, and if I was supposed to run around the entire district closing Voids then I wasn't able to get from one to another without getting killed.
Re: Favor Ball Drops from mobs in the Nightmarket disappear WAY too fast
CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »I had a question about that, does anyone know if it counts for everyone if multiple people pick it up at the same time? It seems like it did for us but I am unsure about this.
I don't know for sure but I agree it seems to. Been a few times it looked like other people were collecting it too and I always got some even when I didn't start first
lillybit
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Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
Rkindaleft wrote: »This content for group only players sucks for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also have limited time so do not group.
Will not pay to play this!
I want solo content or I give up on ESO!
The content is free. Literally no one is paying anything to play this.
Some of the reactions here from solo players are completely overblown. People talking about quitting because one single update didn't give solo friendly content is ridiculous. You'll still get 2 solo dungeons and 2 new questlines this year.
Under no circumstances is this content free.
The people who subscribe pay for this content. The people who buys Seasons Passes pay for this content. The people who buy Crowns pay for this content. It's not a charitable endeavour.
And if you don't like this kind of grindy, overly difficult, enforced-group content, then you should know that Night Market was brought to us at the expense of any other content - other content that you might have enjoyed.
As to your point about the potential content coming down the line: the volume of content has dropped so significantly this year, it's practically nothing.
agelonestar
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